"Dragon Ball Super (Manga)" Official Discussion Thread

[GreatSaiyaman123]

I'm loath to think like a producer, but I'm curious if Iyoku would push to have these two manga arcs adapted as films in the same way Kimetsu no Yaiba and other more recent anime have adapted arcs as films and then split them up into television seasons.

Moro has more of a serialized feel to it, there's too much going on even if you strip the padding. Granolah could work since most of the padding was either pointless or the worst part of the story (Bardock).

Act I: Goku and Vegeta vs Granolah
Act II: Gas arrives and beats everyone
Act III: Goku and Vegeta bounce back

But realistically? The sagas will be even longer.

[JulieYBM]

I'm loath to think like a producer, but I'm curious if Iyoku would push to have these two manga arcs adapted as films in the same way Kimetsu no Yaiba and other more recent anime have adapted arcs as films and then split them up into television seasons.

I'd rather it have episodic because Moro arc has plenty of in-between planet traveling and it would all be very rushed in a single 1 hour 30 min movie. The arc would be better expanded on and not cut short.

I'm loath to think like a producer, but I'm curious if Iyoku would push to have these two manga arcs adapted as films in the same way Kimetsu no Yaiba and other more recent anime have adapted arcs as films and then split them up into television seasons.

Moro has more of a serialized feel to it, there's too much going on even if you strip the padding. Granolah could work since most of the padding was either pointless or the worst part of the story (Bardock).

Act I: Goku and Vegeta vs Granolah
Act II: Gas arrives and beats everyone
Act III: Goku and Vegeta bounce back

But realistically? The sagas will be even longer.

I actually meant that I figured that they would split each arc into multiple films. That being said, I think these arcs are poorly paced and could definitely improve from a better writer (Tomioka Atsuhiro) being able to pare them down into more fine-tuned stories. They really don't need to be longer than eight or nine anime episodes, but I kind of figure that they would be turned into 12-13 episode seasons with the way most weekly series are.

[Gt91]

Dragon Ball Super Manga’s return soon?

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[FortuneSSJ]

Dragon Ball Super Manga’s return soon?

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Probably October to coincide with Daima and Sparking Zero. The world is not ready for unleashed Toyotaro.

[Bardock God of Time]

I'm wondering how this Black Frieza arc will be structured

I loved the Granolah arc but I hope the pacing is like the Android/Cell arc with a new Hero showing up to help us/warn us against Frieza (no Time Travel though). Training montage, some lower tier threats show up, bigger threats show up and finally the big bad himself shows up

I hope Vegeta finally gets the kill against Frieza

[IndieBooToo]

I'm wondering how this Black Frieza arc will be structured

I loved the Granolah arc but I hope the pacing is like the Android/Cell arc with a new Hero showing up to help us/warn us against Frieza (no Time Travel though). Training montage, some lower tier threats show up, bigger threats show up and finally the big bad himself shows up

I hope Vegeta finally gets the kill against Frieza

1. There's nothing to suggest a Black Frieza arc is happening.
2. Vegeta is never going to kill Frieza nor is Frieza is going to die again.

The sooner Vegeta stans accept this, the better. It's going on to the point of pure delusion that every single arc Vegeta stans have this obsession with Vegeta getting the kill on the main villain. Vegeta's role is to be the jobber. This is more apparent with his relationship with Frieza.

[JulieYBM]

We can't apply the structure and logic of the weekly serialization of the Artificial Humans arc to a monthly comic like Dragon Ball Super. These are different serialization styles and they need to reflect that. The major problem with this comic up to this point is just how little it understands that it is a monthly comic, not a weekly comic.

[Hellspawn28]

Why do people assume that the next arc is about Freeza?

[Vegard Aune]

Why do people assume that the next arc is about Freeza?

Because

With how the Granolah arc was basically just all buildup for Black Freeza, and how much time passed between the reveal of said Black Freeza and Toriyama's unfortunate death, I strongly doubt he and Toyotaro won't have come to at least some general idea of what they were going to do there. Like, I know Toriyama was never one to plan much... But the dude had been building up to some sort of rematch with Freeza ever since the Tournament of Power. Every story he was involved with since then either directly involved Freeza or went out of its way to go "Remember kids, Freeza is still out there and he is continuing to plot his revenge!"
Well, I guess Freeza's continued presence was little more than a footnote in the Moro arc. But Broly? Orchestrated by Freeza. Super Hero? Reveals that Broly is now hiding on Beerus's homeworld specifically to avoid Freeza. Granolah? Literally every single antagonist in that arc is motivated by trying to defeat Freeza, who shows up in person at the end just to show everyone how hopelessly outmatched they are.

...the setup for it so transparently blatant that doing anything else would be absolutely baffling. Or, it might not be the literal next thing that happens... But it has to happen. Unless the manga just gets cancelled before reaching that point due to Toriyama's death or any of the rights disputes going on.

[GTx10]

What if the Manga ends as it is? It gives Goku and Vegeta something to strive for (beating Black Freeza) and it ends open ended for future content. I doubt it since their is money to be made but it would otherwise be up DB's alley to end so abruptly.

[Draconic]

I hope for Tournament of Power 2, this time including the remaining Universes, but cutting the teams down from 10 members to 5 or 6.

[Hellspawn28]

Freeza is like a slasher movie villain. If he dies again, he will come back for another story anyways. I feel like he is never going to be killed off.

[JulieYBM]

Freeza doesn't need to die, but a final conflict to resolve tension or properly frame the future of his relationship dynamic with Son Gokuu and friends is still necessary.

Black Freeza should be done as a film written by Tomioka Atsuhiro. Tomioka is really good at writing rivalries and battle strategies, so if anyone is going to be able to really make this a fun conclusion—or even just set up a similar feeling to the Twenty-Eighth Tenka-ichi Budoukai—it would be him.

[Bardock God of Time]

What if the Manga ends as it is? It gives Goku and Vegeta something to strive for (beating Black Freeza) and it ends open ended for future content. I doubt it since their is money to be made but it would otherwise be up DB's alley to end so abruptly.

I suppose Super could end and be rebranded as something else

[capsulecorp]

A "Black Freeza arc" would be such a yawningly boring and predictable next step that, if it were to happen, we'd have to assume it'd almost immediately pivot into something else.

Freeza's appearance at the end of Granolah is best understood as the END of the story that began in RoF and continued through the ToP and Broly.

[sangofe]

What if the Manga ends as it is? It gives Goku and Vegeta something to strive for (beating Black Freeza) and it ends open ended for future content. I doubt it since their is money to be made but it would otherwise be up DB's alley to end so abruptly.

I suppose Super could end and be rebranded as something else

Toyotaro also never said he will be drawing more Dragon Ball Super, he just said he will continue. It could be Daima or something else.

[The Monkey King]

...the setup for it so transparently blatant that doing anything else would be absolutely baffling.

And yet we haven't seen Freeza for 2 years now.

After the Black Freeza debut we had a painfully boring Super Hero prequel and a 12 month retelling of a movie we already watched.
The DBS manga has BEEN baffling, you're trying to add logic to it now?

[Zephyr]

Black Freeza Arc Anticipators™ continue to not consider the possibility of a 2nd Tournament of Power, featuring all of the new forms and friends that have been collected for the past 6 years, as the form's "payoff". "But another tournament would be lame!" you say, despite being forced to say that for the last couple of tournaments.

At least, that's where I was somewhat expecting Toriyama to take things. With his passing, I could see Toyble being allowed to draw a very by the numbers "Black Freeza arc" where Vegeta Finally Kills Him™, or something like that, completely ignoring Freeza's development into more of a martial arts rival than simply a villain.

[JulieYBM]

There's no point to killing Freeza, so I hope he isn't killed. Freeza would be far more interesting if his priorities shifted somehow. Heck, I don't remember the exact circumstances of that Neko Majin Z story where Vegeta was working for Freeza again, but imagine incorporating that into the story?

Or heck, literally just focus an arc on Freeza as the POV character. Show us how the events of his life post-Namek have changed him and his priorities. Make him the slowburn Tenshinhan/Piccolo!

[Bardock God of Time]

...the setup for it so transparently blatant that doing anything else would be absolutely baffling.

And yet we haven't seen Freeza for 2 years now.

After the Black Freeza debut we had a painfully boring Super Hero prequel and a 12 month retelling of a movie we already watched.
The DBS manga has BEEN baffling, you're trying to add logic to it now?

During the training in the Super Hero arc we did see Black Frieza even if he was just Vegeta's imagination

The question really is: he's now a moving goalpost like Beerus or he is a future threat/ally

Frieza would be a great ally in a possible Tournament of Power 2 or if there's a rogue Angel/God of Destruction

I feel like a Black Frieza arc is a nobrainer, or even a movie once they get the rights dispute fixed.

Frieza training for 10 years? That's going to be Goku & Vegeta's biggest obstacle, maybe even a threat against Beerus.

I think Granolah still has some lifespan left, he'd forsure want to fight Frieza, so if the arc is going to happen, it'll happen next.

I don't want Frieza to die though because he's cool, maybe he just wants a good fight like Goku now. I do want to know what Frieza is like now.