If you had to reorder the arcs, how would you do it?

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If you had to reorder the arcs, how would you do it?

Post by Yuji » Wed Sep 18, 2024 6:13 pm

A fun little exercise. Fans often complain about one of Dragon Ball's greatest strengths - being written on the fly - also being one of its greatest weaknesses and that proper planning may have benefited tne story's structure.

Some of the de-escalations sometimes rub fans the wrong way. For instance scaling back to an Earth based conflict with the Artificial Humans after Namek, or scaling back to U7 conflicts after the Tournament of Power.

So with the benefit of hindsight, are there any arcs you'd switch around?

Personally I think the Pilaf and Shadow Dragons make for perfect first and final arcs respectively.

I'd probably reorder them somehow like this:

The Earth:
1. Pilaf
2. 21st tournament
3. Red Ribbon Army
4. 22nd tournament
5. Piccolo Daimao
6. The Artificial Humans
7. 23rd tournament

I think original Dragon Ball stays pretty much the same as it didn't jump the shark with as many wacky plots as the series would eventually do. The Artificial Humans arc would need heavy rewriting as this is prior to Vegeta's introduction, prior to Super Saiyans, Gohan wasn't born yet, Trunks has no place in this story etc. Also as a story about time travel you can argue it actually is a further escalation of the Namek arc, especially with Cell himself. So I think here we just introduce a small conflict with 16, 17, 18 and leave Trunks and Cell for later.

Universe 7:
1. Saiyans
2. Namek
3. Baby
4. Resurrection F
5. Broly
6. Granolah the Survivor

Saiyans-Namek-Baby make up a nice trilogy of Goku's origin catching up to him. I think Baby following right after Namek would have been a great further exploration of the lore introduced in Z. Which then is followed up by the sequel trilogy showcasing Freeza's return and the consequences on the Universe. Freeza can stay alive so he remains a reoccurring character.

The Gods:

1. Super 17/Superhero/Cell
2. Boo
3. Moro
4. The Demon World (Daima)

Then once the peak of the universe is dealt with, we start escalating again. I think there's a way you can fit in all the RRA sequel arcs into one, here you introduce Cell, Trunks, power up 17 and so on. Trunks' time meddling is brought up once the Gods are introduced. Boo-Moro-Daima make a nice trilogy of God-centric arcs that close out U7 and start dipping its toes into the upper cosmology and other realms.

The Multiverse:
1. Battle of Gods
2. Universe 6
3. Goku Black
4. Tournament of Power
Other Super stuff for the future (Black Freeza?)
5. Shadow Dragons

Then we fully introduce the Multiverse in BoG. I reckon another arc or two between Goku Black and the ToP would be nice, but there isn't much to work with. The ToP functions as a nice ending to the series' constant escalation itself with Jiren as the ultimate warrior from every universe, even though in the series it actually baits a sequel, I think it's only right it's one of the last arcs of the series with everyone at their most powerful representing their home. Before closing out with the Shadow Dragons coming full circle with the themes of abusing the dragon balls and fully passing the torch to the next generation, we just have to deal with some loose ends first like Freeza and so on.

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Re: If you had to reorder the arcs, how would you do it?

Post by Alruneia » Wed Sep 18, 2024 7:18 pm

The first thing that came to mind for me was to move the androids to an earlier point in the story, like you have in your list. If you put it early enough, I guess it could even connect to "Cyborg Tao" in some way, along with Android 8. It's a good idea to save Cell himself for later though, and Future Trunks along with him. The longer you wait with Cell, the more of a problem he becomes, too, because of more DNA or whatever. I guess going by your list Cell and Cell Max could be the same being?
Other than that, I have wondered how it would be to have Resurrection F before Buu. With the hindsight of knowing that Frieza ends up staying alive, though, I think it's "too soon" to just have one arc between Frieza and Golden Frieza, so I'd sneak some more stuff in there. Granolah leading directly into a Resurrection F shock reveal with Golden Frieza killing Gas, maybe? I also think the ToP would have been best as a very late-game arc, and that the post-ToP arcs in Super might have been better as pre-ToP arcs. I don't know what happens to Ultra Instinct in that case, though, if Goku would get it at an earlier point or something.
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Re: If you had to reorder the arcs, how would you do it?

Post by Grimlock » Wed Sep 18, 2024 9:47 pm

I think the only one that warrants a reorder is Freeza saga, and now Granolah saga too. The latter either should have happened before the former or within it. And Freeza saga should have been the last one from Dragon Ball Z (depending on if Bibidi created Buu or not).

With Granolah saga being prior or during Freeza saga, pretty sure this would be a thing when Goku fires his Kamehameha at Freeza, as all the context and whatnot necessary for it to happen would be there. The battle with Freeza would feel and be more personal as well, with Goku now knowing exactly why he must defeat Freeza. With Freeza saga being the last one, well, we wouldn't have to roll our eyes to the fact that man-made androids are stronger than aliens that had to create transformations because their powers were too high (though, for some reason, I can buy Cell being stronger than Freeza).

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Re: If you had to reorder the arcs, how would you do it?

Post by JulieYBM » Wed Sep 18, 2024 11:39 pm

I like the idea of moving the Artificial Humans earlier in the story. What if everyone but Cell was moved to the Red Ribbon Army arc? Kuririn and #18 could be rival characters, Yamcha and #17 could be rivals, and Gokuu and #16 could be the big climax of the arc! This way, when Cell is done later on the absorbing of #17 and #18 has a few more story arcs worth of character drama to feed off of.

Maybe Supreme Commander Red could then free Piccolo Daimaou as a result of Artificial Humans #16-17 betraying him?
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Re: If you had to reorder the arcs, how would you do it?

Post by Peach » Thu Sep 19, 2024 1:49 am

I feel like there should have been arc set between Battle of Gods and Resurrection F.

A story with a situation that showed..
1)Vegeta doing the Super Saiyan God Ritual
2)The triggering of Super Saiyan Blue on screen.

I wanted to see an adventure between those movies that explained Vegeta getting God powers and Goku & Vegeta getting Blue. Having it all happen off screen in Whis' staff with very little explanation was lazy imo. What little new content we did get between the movies was Vegeta and Goku changing Beerus' bedsheets, and it was completely stupid. The Super Human Water arc, Zamasu arc, and Moro arc each would have been fine between the two movies.

They could have had it so Goku absorbed "some" of the Super Saiyan God power into his base, but it wasn't enough to beat whatever threat was there. Forcing them to do the ritual again. But, Vegeta insists that he be the one to go through it since Goku did it last time.

They could have also had Vegeta do the ritual while Goku was away on King Kai's Planet or with Whis. Then could show how Super Saiyan Blue was triggered for the first time. It also would have been a good place to explain what god powers are and how it's different than regular ki.

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Re: If you had to reorder the arcs, how would you do it?

Post by Yuji » Thu Sep 19, 2024 3:34 am

JulieYBM wrote: Wed Sep 18, 2024 11:39 pm I like the idea of moving the Artificial Humans earlier in the story. What if everyone but Cell was moved to the Red Ribbon Army arc? Kuririn and #18 could be rival characters, Yamcha and #17 could be rivals, and Gokuu and #16 could be the big climax of the arc! This way, when Cell is done later on the absorbing of #17 and #18 has a few more story arcs worth of character drama to feed off of.

Maybe Supreme Commander Red could then free Piccolo Daimaou as a result of Artificial Humans #16-17 betraying him?
I like the idea that #17 and #18 as cyborgs can start off as kid characters like Kuririn and Goku and then are adults when Cell shows up.

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Re: If you had to reorder the arcs, how would you do it?

Post by nineko » Thu Sep 19, 2024 3:44 am

Peach wrote: Thu Sep 19, 2024 1:49 am1)Vegeta doing the Super Saiyan God Ritual
2)The triggering of Super Saiyan Blue on screen.
I 100% agree with this. Instead, we got a generic "he did it in another way" for 1, and nothing at all for 2. This isn't a reorder, though, this is an addition. I'm not sure if I would reorder anything.

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Re: If you had to reorder the arcs, how would you do it?

Post by Koitsukai » Thu Sep 19, 2024 8:15 am

Good thread and ideas. I'm not too sure about postponing the saiyan reveal, but I think I like the idea of having the Namek arc wait a little longer.

JulieYBM wrote: Wed Sep 18, 2024 11:39 pm I like the idea of moving the Artificial Humans earlier in the story. What if everyone but Cell was moved to the Red Ribbon Army arc? Kuririn and #18 could be rival characters, Yamcha and #17 could be rivals, and Gokuu and #16 could be the big climax of the arc! This way, when Cell is done later on the absorbing of #17 and #18 has a few more story arcs worth of character drama to feed off of.

Maybe Supreme Commander Red could then free Piccolo Daimaou as a result of Artificial Humans #16-17 betraying him?
Oh this is good. Really good.

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Re: If you had to reorder the arcs, how would you do it?

Post by GokuHater » Thu Sep 19, 2024 9:19 am

At first I was sceptic on moving the Androids earlier. I mean too much of it would have to be cut (Piccolo, Vegeta, Trunks, Gohan, time travel...)

After thinking it through though it could work, however I would put them AFTER 23 Budokai. That way we can have the "original" DB format with
-Adventure
-Tournament
-Adventure
-Tournament
-Adventure
-Tournament
-Adventure

Also we could start building up Piccolo "redemption" arc which could be longer and deeper. Let Piccolo be the antihero, maybe something akin to his portrayal during the first two movies?
Krilin would start his crush on 18 thing which could continue a lot longer.
The Androids showing there and then would be the final test of what the heroes experienced so far with their battles before the story heads into the Saiyan part of the story.

When we get to Cell though I think we still need some sort of a red hearing if we are to cut the Androids from there. Maybe have something in vein of Super 17 but done right this time as a prequel to Cell?

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Re: If you had to reorder the arcs, how would you do it?

Post by Hugo Boss » Thu Sep 19, 2024 2:44 pm

I agree with moving the Androids arc earlier and restructuring things. Placing them after the 23rd Budokai fits well with the original Dragon Ball formula, and it adds a sense of continuity. Building up Piccolo’s redemption arc would allow for a deeper exploration of his character, making his journey more meaningful. Krillin’s slow-burning relationship with 18 could also create more emotional stakes throughout the story.

With that said, I'd suggest considering a slight adjustment to the overall arc structure. In the order I’m proposing, we still keep some of the key character moments, but the story takes on a more cosmic scope sooner. The Androids arc can still serve as a pivotal moment for character growth, while the bigger battles await beyond. By introducing the Saiyans, Namek, and Majin Boo arcs earlier, the narrative can focus more heavily on the heroes expanding their reach beyond Earth and encountering more powerful threats across the universe.

Here’s the order I’m suggesting:

1. Pilaf
2. 21st tournament
3. Red Ribbon Army
4. 22nd tournament
5. King Piccolo
6. 23rd tournament
7. Artificial Humans
8. Saiyans
9. Namek
10. Daima

The transition from the Namek arc to the Daima arc would make perfect sense within this proposed structure. After Goku becomes the legendary Super Saiyan, he is proclaimed as the most powerful being in the mortal realm. Venturing into the Demon Realm would then serve as the next logical challenge — a dimension filled with entities that rival or surpass even the strongest mortals. This shift would allow the story to naturally progress from battles among mortals to confrontations with beings from entirely different planes of existence, giving Goku a worthy adversary after his transformation.

11. Majin Boo
12. Moro

Following the Daima arc, the introduction of Majin Boo would then flow seamlessly, as this arc represents the introduction of divine elements, with Boo being a villain that threatens not just the mortal world, but all realms within the universe. His connection to the Kaioshins builds on the mythology introduced earlier, expanding the scope of Dragon Ball beyond simple martial arts battles to cosmic consequences. It would also set the stage for Moro, whose connection to the Dai Kaioshin and the ancient threat he posed makes him a natural next step in the story. Moro’s revival as a villain would bring forth a forgotten, yet incredibly powerful enemy who surpasses Majin Boo in terms of danger and strategy. This villain would feel like a proper continuation of the escalation in power levels and narrative stakes.

13. Survivors

From there, using OG73-i as the plot device for introducing Granolah, we would also add Tsufurians and Broly as survivors of the Freeza regime. It could serve as a brilliant reintroduction to those who have suffered under Freeza’s tyranny. This could also be the perfect opportunity to bring Freeza back as a major villain, rather than in the largely forgettable Resurrection of F arc. Instead of a simple revenge plot, Freeza’s return could tie directly into the larger cosmic narrative, perhaps as a catalyst for the events that lead to future arcs. Broly, with his raw potential and untamed power, would become a major player here, giving the heroes a significant challenge and allowing for further exploration of Saiyan history and lore.

14. Cell
15. Battle of Gods

This would also create a much more organic setup for the Super Hero arc, where a new, more terrifying version of Cell could emerge—one that embodies the strongest fighters and beings from throughout the universe. Rather than just being a rehash of previous villains, this version of Cell could be an amalgamation of the most powerful entities to ever exist in Universe 7, making him the ultimate test before Goku steps into the realm of the Gods of Destruction. This battle would be a key turning point in Goku’s journey toward divine power.

16. Tournament of Power
17. Goku Black

By delaying the also forgettable Champa arc and placing the Goku Black arc after the Tournament of Power, the narrative would flow even more smoothly. Goku Black represents an existential threat to all mortal life across universes, which aligns perfectly after Goku has faced threats from other universes and proven himself as the strongest mortal. This timing would allow Future Trunks’ appearance to have greater impact, as his actions and decisions would now shape the broader multiversal story.

18. Evil Dragons

Finally, moving the Evil Dragons arc to the very end would make the most sense in this new structure. Rather than attributing the dragons’ emergence to negative energy buildup in the Dragon Balls, their existence could be the direct consequence of Zamasu destroying the Super Dragon Balls, creating a powerful adversary whose strength exceeds even the gods. This final enemy could challenge not just Goku and Vegeta, but the very order of the multiverse, with the heroes having to use all their acquired powers, alliances, and strategies to overcome them. This would be the ultimate battle and force the protagonists to explore new, creative ways to save the multiverse.

This structure maintains a natural progression in power scaling, with the heroes leaving Earth to explore the multiverse. As we move forward, each new enemy feels more menacing, and the stakes grow larger as they confront gods, universal threats, and even the concept of reality itself (as with the Evil Dragons). What do you think?

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Re: If you had to reorder the arcs, how would you do it?

Post by Yuji » Fri Sep 20, 2024 7:04 am

I like the idea of having the Goku Black arc being the penultimate arc as it introduces Zamasu earlier (in the ToP) and we can witness his change in real-time across multiple arcs.

Whatever the order may be, I think ToP, Zamasu and Shadow Dragons all have "endgame" concepts so they should be the last arcs.

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Post by Rafa Fast » Fri Sep 20, 2024 10:46 am

I'm almost completely fine with the official order we have, I really would've changed Fukkatsu no 'F' only
I would've made Kami to Kami > Champa > Zamasu > FnF > ToP, having Freeza being resurrected and killed again in the middle of two stories that introduces us to the new God and Multiple Universes concepts and making him return just 3 sagas later feels off to me.

I think it would've been better if his story happened after Zamasu, and you connect his return to his participation in the ToP, I don't think it would've changed that much, I think the only differences would be that Goku would have the SSJ Blue Kaioken in the anime/Perfect SSJ Blue in the manga, there wouldn't be the foreshadowing for the Champa arc (though they could do for the ToP), Goku and Vegeta would already have the SSJ Blue and Jaco would already be a established character, all of the other Z warriors in the saga are exactly the same as we see in the other arcs pre-ToP, only Gohan got a bit stronger in Zamasu saga according to himself I think.

In the end, Freeza's defeat would lead to his participation in the ToP, maybe he wouldn't be killed, but rather be imprisoned somewhere or better, he would just fly away to some place and train, we would train for the ToP to show up with his stronger Golden form (that we actually see in the real story)

Or just make the end of the arc exactly the same and tell that Freeza is going to return again for the next arc.

I would've also made someone tell that Freeza actually got revived much earlier in Super, maybe after Kami to Kami just like how it happens in the original, but instead of his revenge happening just a year after Beerus' arrival, he would actually be revived, and train, train and train, it would need much more time than just 4 months for him to achieve his Golden form (just like it took 10 years for him to achive Black form), so while the Champa arc and the Zamasu arc happen, he would be training.

I think that's pretty much it, but I honestly also really like the idea of Zamasu arc taking place after the ToP, indeed it makes a lot more sense for Zamasu deciding to switch bodies with Goku after seeing that he's the "strongest mortal of all the universes" due to the ToP, and not just because of a battle against someone from one universe where he actually lost, it's a good idea, taking place after ToP but before Moro would be interesting because we would have a Goku that still has no control over the Ultra Instinct, so instead of Vegetto showing up to beat up Zamasu Gattai, it would've been Ultra Instinct Goku instead, it would change nothing if you think about it, Goku would lose the Ultra Instinct after a few minutes just like Vegetto gets unfused, that would've made the Zamasu arc feel less useless, disconnected and lonely in the Super story in my opinion.
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Re: If you had to reorder the arcs, how would you do it?

Post by Zephyr » Fri Sep 20, 2024 12:50 pm

Nothing about the order of the arcs really bothers me as is, but there are a couple of alternate placements I think would have fit better, solely in terms of escalation.

For instance, the Cell arc features an Earth scientist creating beings on Earth in order to get revenge on people who live on Earth. It's a very terrestrial and local conflict. Once Goku and his friends become the strongest beings on Earth, having Dr. Gero make being based on observing them, and using their DNA, would have been a cool way to cap off terrestrial conflict, before moving things out into space.

Secondly, while GT's arcs take place in later years than Super's arcs, it would make a lot more sense to finish exploring our own universe before traveling outside of it. So I'd put the Baby arc before Super. But I'd also put the Baby arc before Boo, because Boo begins a sequence of stories largely about the Gods themselves. So, wrap up adventures involving mortal space in our own universe. Then move to the Gods of our universe (Boo, Daima, Battle of Gods), before moving onto other universes (Champa, Zamasu, Tournament of Power).

That's just the broad strokes of it. Not sure what I'd do with RoF, Broly, Moro, Granola, SH, or Super 17. Also not sure what I'd do about tweaking plot details for the arcs being moved.

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Post by MisteryOne » Fri Sep 20, 2024 7:45 pm

That's a very intriging prompt. As a creative exercise I used to rewrite post-Namek arcs for fun, but if I could reorder the arcs the Cell one would definetly happen a lot earlier as many have said. It also depends on how much we would be willing to change- if Frieza is allowed to live after RoF I would have it happen right before Broly and way before the ToP arc for example. I also don't think Granolah transitions well into Super Hero at all, but moving that arc as it is earlier in the story would not have the same impact regarding Ultra Ego and Black Frieza. Changing somehow the roles of SSG and UI could also help avoid the ever growing problem of Beerus being stronger and stronger, if Goku only gets a taste of it in BoG and never truly archieves it until ToP.
Despite being placed only in Universe 7, I think the Moro arc could work as a good finale of sorts before Uub.
We would need proper new arcs to flesh out other universes before ToP, and we still need to know
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Re: If you had to reorder the arcs, how would you do it?

Post by Peach » Fri Sep 20, 2024 9:06 pm

nineko wrote: Thu Sep 19, 2024 3:44 am
Peach wrote: Thu Sep 19, 2024 1:49 am1)Vegeta doing the Super Saiyan God Ritual
2)The triggering of Super Saiyan Blue on screen.
I 100% agree with this. Instead, we got a generic "he did it in another way" for 1, and nothing at all for 2. This isn't a reorder, though, this is an addition. I'm not sure if I would reorder anything.
Thank you for agreeing.

When Dragon Ball Super was first announced, I thought they would do an arc between the movies for sure. It seemed like something had happened. Goku was blue now? Vegeta unlocked the power of a god and went to blue too? What sort of threat happened that we didn't see? ....But nope.

I also thought the events of Yo! Son Goku & His Friends Return would be retold as prelude to the Resurrection F arc -- which was also about Frieza Force remnants. Also no. :problem:

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Re: If you had to reorder the arcs, how would you do it?

Post by Hugo Boss » Sun Sep 22, 2024 11:35 am

While we are at it, I was thinking about how the transformations and fusions in Dragon Ball could be introduced to better align them with my proposed arc structure. The main objective is that each form feels earned and impactful, matching the evolving threats and story arcs as they move from mortal challenges to divine and universal threats.

Here’s how the transformations and fusions could be introduced:

1. Pilaf to Saiyan (1st - 8th Arcs): None yet
By not introducing any transformations yet, we maintain the grounded feel of early Dragon Ball, focusing on martial arts, tactics, and strategy.

2. Namek Arc (9th Arc): Namekian Fusion (Piccolo), Super Saiyan (Goku)
Goku transforms into a Super Saiyan during his final battle against Freeza, establishing him as the most powerful being in the mortal realm at that point.

3. Daima Arc (10th Arc): Super Namekian (Piccolo), Super Saiyan 2 (Gohan)
Piccolo’s Super Namekian transformation after fusing with Kami gives him a temporary advantage against the enemy, allowing Piccolo to hold him off until Gohan gets his big moment as Super Saiyan 2. This parallels how Gohan defeated Cell in the original timeline.

4. Majin Boo Arc (11th Arc): Super Saiyan 3 (Goku), Ultimate (Gohan), Fusion Dance (Gotenks), Potara Fusion (Vegetto)
Goku’s Super Saiyan 3 is a raw display of power, while Gohan’s Ultimate form highlights his potential as Earth’s strongest defender. Introducing Fusion Dance with Gotenks and Potara Fusion with Vegetto emphasizes teamwork and cooperation, setting a precedent for future fusion mechanics.

5. Moro Arc (12th Arc): Awakened (Mr. Boo), Potential Unleashed (Piccolo), Fusion Dance (Gogeta), Majuub
This arc revisits Boo’s potential, now using the "Awakened" version of Mr. Boo, who contains the memory and power of the Dai Kaioshin. The fusion of Oob with Boo would make sense here due to the ancient power of the Dai Kaioshin, whose spirit partially resides within both. Oob would gain the ability to help counter Moro’s ancient magic, linking the past and future of Majin Boo’s legacy. Piccolo also receives a boost with his Potential Unleashed form. Fusion Dance with Gogeta marks a return of fusion tactics to defeat a galaxy-threatening enemy like Moro. Vegeta's spirit fission technique plays a major role in defeating Moro, making him the hero of this arc alongside Goku mastering Super Saiyan 3.

6. Survivors Arc (13th Arc): Wrathful and Super Saiyan Full Power (Broly), Super Saiyan 4 (Goku/Vegeta), Golden (Freeza)
The Survivors arc is the ideal setting for the introduction of primal, Saiyan-focused transformations. Super Saiyan 4 represents a return to the Saiyans' primal roots better than Ultra Instinct Sign or Ultra Ego. Moreover, introducing Freeza's Golden form here feels more natural and earned than the sudden power-up he got in the original Resurrection 'F' film.

7. Cell/Super Hero Arc (14th Arc): Orange (Piccolo), Beast (Gohan)
Piccolo’s Orange form grants him power on par with SS4 Goku and SS4 Vegeta, while Gohan’s Beast transformation showcases his unique power as a human-Saiyan hybrid. He uses this form to take on Perfect Cell, instead of the underwhelming Cell Max.

8. Battle of Gods Arc (15th Arc): Super Saiyan God (Goku)
The introduction of Super Saiyan God here, against Beerus, marks the transition to divine power. This form bridges the gap between mortal and divine realms, setting the stage for the exploration of gods, universes, and multiversal threats that follow, just as originally intended.

9. Tournament of Power (16th Arc): Super Saiyan Blue (Goku/Vegeta)
Super Saiyan Blue represents the refinement of divine energy, combining the power of Super Saiyan God with the precision and control of Super Saiyan. The form is crucial to their performance in the Tournament of Power, where strategy and teamwork are key to survival.

10. Goku Black (17th Arc): Super Saiyan Blue Evolution (Vegeta), Super Saiyan Blue Potara Fusion (Vegetto), Ultra Instinct (Goku)
Vegeta’s Super Saiyan Blue Evolution represents his pride and determination to surpass Goku Black's Super Saiyan Rosé. Super Saiyan Blue Potara Fusion (Vegetto) holds Fused Zamasu off until Goku's Ultra Instinct finally debuts here, marking his final step into the realm of divine powers, making him a true match for the gods.

11. Evil Dragons (18th Arc): Ultra Ego (Vegeta), Ultra Fusion Dance (Gogeta), Black (Freeza)
Ultra Ego allows Vegeta to tap into the unique powers of the Gods of Destruction. Meanwhile, Ultra Fusion Dance introduces a new version of Gogeta that incorporates both Goku's Ultra Instinct and Vegeta's Ultra Ego, making it the perfect weapon against the apocalyptic Evil Dragons. As for Freeza’s Black form, saving it for the Evil Dragons arc would make sense given the scale of the threat in this final chapter. This transformation would allow Freeza to stand as a final boss figure, giving him a fitting role in the story's grand conclusion.

I believe this approach highlights the best aspects of Akira Toriyama’s original story while integrating later franchise elements more effectively, avoiding repetition and bringing a sense of escalation to the series.

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Re: If you had to reorder the arcs, how would you do it?

Post by MisteryOne » Sun Sep 22, 2024 5:43 pm

Hugo Boss wrote: Sun Sep 22, 2024 11:35 am
11. Evil Dragons (18th Arc): Ultra Ego (Vegeta), Ultra Fusion Dance (Gogeta), Black (Freeza)
Ultra Ego allows Vegeta to tap into the unique powers of the Gods of Destruction. Meanwhile, Ultra Fusion Dance introduces a new version of Gogeta that incorporates both Goku's Ultra Instinct and Vegeta's Ultra Ego, making it the perfect weapon against the apocalyptic Evil Dragons. As for Freeza’s Black form, saving it for the Evil Dragons arc would make sense given the scale of the threat in this final chapter. This transformation would allow Freeza to stand as a final boss figure, giving him a fitting role in the story's grand conclusion.

I believe this approach highlights the best aspects of Akira Toriyama’s original story while integrating later franchise elements more effectively, avoiding repetition and bringing a sense of escalation to the series.
I see this idea around a lot but I have no idea on how a fusion between Ultra Instict and Ultra Ego would work. As said by Granolah himself, they are at odds with each other (even in name in the original Japanese version). Ultra Instict evades hits. Ultra Ego needs to be hit to get stronger. Wouldn't the combination of them just be constantly avoiding the very same hits that would power it up, rendering the Ego part pointless?

Not trying to be nitpickly, just genuinely wondering why fans seem to want to combine the two.
English is not my first language. Please excuse my gramatical mistakes.

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Re: If you had to reorder the arcs, how would you do it?

Post by Yuji » Sun Sep 22, 2024 5:59 pm

MisteryOne wrote: Sun Sep 22, 2024 5:43 pm
Hugo Boss wrote: Sun Sep 22, 2024 11:35 am
11. Evil Dragons (18th Arc): Ultra Ego (Vegeta), Ultra Fusion Dance (Gogeta), Black (Freeza)
Ultra Ego allows Vegeta to tap into the unique powers of the Gods of Destruction. Meanwhile, Ultra Fusion Dance introduces a new version of Gogeta that incorporates both Goku's Ultra Instinct and Vegeta's Ultra Ego, making it the perfect weapon against the apocalyptic Evil Dragons. As for Freeza’s Black form, saving it for the Evil Dragons arc would make sense given the scale of the threat in this final chapter. This transformation would allow Freeza to stand as a final boss figure, giving him a fitting role in the story's grand conclusion.

I believe this approach highlights the best aspects of Akira Toriyama’s original story while integrating later franchise elements more effectively, avoiding repetition and bringing a sense of escalation to the series.
I see this idea around a lot but I have no idea on how a fusion between Ultra Instict and Ultra Ego would work. As said by Granolah himself, they are at odds with each other (even in name in the original Japanese version). Ultra Instict evades hits. Ultra Ego needs to be hit to get stronger. Wouldn't the combination of them just be constantly avoiding the very same hits that would power it up, rendering the Ego part pointless?

Not trying to be nitpickly, just genuinely wondering why fans seem to want to combine the two.
Maybe you can switch between forms at will. Beerus is a God of Destruction trained in UI, he can access both set of power.

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Re: If you had to reorder the arcs, how would you do it?

Post by Hugo Boss » Sun Sep 22, 2024 7:07 pm

You're absolutely right to point out that Ultra Instinct and Ultra Ego are fundamentally opposed in their mechanics, which is what makes the idea of a fusion between the two so intriguing. Fusion often transcends the limitations of individual techniques, creating entirely new abilities. So, rather than thinking of Ultra Fusion as a simple combination where both forms would be used as they are individually, I imagine it as a new state that harmonizes the conflicting principles.

Here’s how it could work: Ultra Instinct would provide the defensive agility and precision to dodge when necessary, while Ultra Ego would allow the user to absorb and embrace attacks strategically when taking a hit could offer a greater advantage. It wouldn't be about constantly dodging or constantly taking damage; it would be about finding a balance, where the fused warrior has the wisdom to know when to evade and when to take a blow to grow stronger.

This kind of balance—between defense and offense, instinct and ego—would make for a new technique that reflects both the divine calm of Ultra Instinct and the fierce power of Ultra Ego. Instead of canceling each other out, they would complement each other by allowing the warrior to flow between both states depending on the situation, making them adaptable to any threat.

In essence, it wouldn’t be about combining their raw mechanics but rather creating a new fusion form that utilizes the strengths of both in a synergistic way.

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Re: If you had to reorder the arcs, how would you do it?

Post by miguelnuva1 » Mon Sep 23, 2024 3:36 am

Someone reordered the arcs like this.

Part 1: Mystical Adventures

Arc 1: Pilaf Saga

Arc 2: Curse of The Blood Rubbies Saga

Arc 3: Roshi Training arc/Sleeping Princess in devil's castle Saga

Arc 4: 1st Tournament Saga

Arc 5: Red Ribbon/Path to Power Saga

Arc 6: 2nd Tournament/Mystical Adventure Saga

Arc 7: Demon King Piccolo Saga

Arc 8: 3rd Tournament/Piccolo Jr. Saga

Arc 9: Garlic Jr. Saga(Movie version)

Arc 10: World's Strongest Saga

Arc 11: Buu Saga

With this concludes the Mystical Adventures part of the story the theme of this part is more earth and mystical stuff going on keeping it down to earth. Like I said if your going to make predictions on what happen in the story make sure to scale down the characters so that the main characters can handle the threat.

Part 2: Space Sci-Fi Saga

Arc 12: Saiyan/The Tree of Might Saga

Arc 13: Namek(entirety of it like freeza, ginyu, etc)/Lord Slug Saga

Arc 14: Mecha Freeza/Cooler's revenge Saga

Arc 15: Black Star Dragonballs/Return of Cooler/Broly the legendary Super Saiyan Saga.

Arc 16: Granolah/beibei Saga

Arc 17: Cell(Including androids and Future Trunks)/Super 13/Bio Broly Saga

Arc 18: Moro/Bojack Unbound Saga

Arc 19: Broly Second Coming/DBS Broly Saga

Arc 20: 4th Tournament Saga

Arc 21: Fusion Reborn/Super 17/ROF Saga

Arc 22: Wrath of The Dragon Saga

This is the end of part 2, most of the threats come from space or have a connection to space in some way, I'm curious to find out what'll be said in the comments.

Part 3: Gods saga

Arc 23: Battle of Gods Saga

Arc 24: Future Trunks Saga

Arc 25: U6 vs U7 Saga

Arc 26: Tournament of Power Saga

Arc 27: Shadow Dragons Saga

Arc 27: Peaceful World Saga

Arc 28: Goku Jr. Saga

And with part 3 being the ending to the dragon ball story, I'm currious how you all will say how the arcs connect to one another. I tried to keep it themed base so that everything can fit with each other.

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