DBS characters' power is overrated because of things that happened in what would be considered filler episodes, or non-Toriyama/non-whatever, you catch my drift.Yuji wrote: Sun Sep 22, 2024 3:19 pm Yes, if you believe that base Goku is SSG tier then you necessarily have to believe that:
1. Future Trunks is that strong despite being malnourished warding off Black and struggling with Dabra the same year
2. Gohan is that strong despite not training.
3. 18 is that strong because she defeated a Pride Trooper that base Goku couldn't, plus Ribrianne.
4. Kuririn is that strong because he forced Goku to turn Super Saiyan.
5. Tenshinhan and Roshi are that strong for being relative to Kuririn.
6. Every single ToP contestant is that strong.
In essence since everyone scales to base Goku and Vegeta, everyone is SSG tier and stronger than Super Vegetto because base Goku has tons of anti-feats in the ToP especially.
Episodes that aren't followed up by the main story penned by T&T, that seem to live in a vacuum. Like the Copy Vegeta episode, the Beerus Costume episode, the Hit vs Goku rematch episode(there's some crazy base Goku feats there for sure I think), none of those developments were carried over to the main arcs, like Gohan destroying Goku's spaceship only for it to be perfectly fine when Dr Briefs enhances it for the Namek journey.
The only argument in favour of that was Goku absorbing SSG, which the anime included, but the manga did not, meaning Toyotaro and Toriyama decided to backtrack on that development. The anime, being the mess that it is, suffered from Toriyama's change of heart, but since we are already headcanoning our way out of so many contradictions it has, we can go ahead and assume that was a temporary thing. That or Roshi oneshots Super Vegito.
By now, it's just dumb to think everybody is SSG tier, or to pretend the anime and the manga are two different series, yeah some things differ clearly, but not to the point where in one everybody is as strong as a god and in the other one not even Goku is as strong as a god.