"Sparking! ZERO" Official Announcement, Pre-, & Post-Release Discussion Thread

[Kanassa]

The custom battles have no voices. So freaking lame.

How'd they be able to record voices for custom battles?

A lot of lines would be per-recorded. You can listen and select the lines that you like.

And how would that not be lame for Custom Battles? Unless you're suggesting the devs record over 5000 lines with every character, in multiple tones and including multiple optional nouns and character names, that would be even more restrictive than the pre-selected dialogue we have now.

[Grimlock]

Alright, I'll bite. I wanna a piece of that fun as well!

thats not something that you need a source for. if you saw the super 17 arc in gt then you know that according to that story the z fighters dident had any contact with 17 since the cell saga. so thats obvious why they gave up on him since they have scenes in the story from the TOP with 17.

And what about Super Saiyan Bardock or King Vegeta? Why can't I seemingly play as them? What do they contradict? I won't ask for a source because that's not something I need a source for. I know you will give me a satisfactory answer and reasoning!

[SelfTrainedNamekian]

Alright, I'll bite. I wanna a piece of that fun as well!

thats not something that you need a source for. if you saw the super 17 arc in gt then you know that according to that story the z fighters dident had any contact with 17 since the cell saga. so thats obvious why they gave up on him since they have scenes in the story from the TOP with 17.

And what about Super Saiyan Bardock or King Vegeta? Why can't I seemingly play as them? What do they contradict? I won't ask for a source because that's not something I need a source for. I know you will give me a satisfactory answer and reasoning!

again. asking for a source about something that the game devs did not mentioned in any interview. you dont need a "source" for everything when you can just apply basic logic.

king vegeta is not in the game because there are already too many characters and ssj bardock not in it because barodck never went ssj in the main series. that was a what if special episode.

[FiReFTW]

I just got a good idea for the next Season Pass.

What do you guys think about this one:

Season 2 Pass

Name could be "Legacy Warriors Pack" or "Ultimate Z Roster Pass"

3 DLC's that basically add all the fighters missing from the old Tenkaichi Budokai games

DLC - Nuova Shenron / Super17 / All the great ape forms

DLC - ChiChi / Arale / Android8 / Nam / Grandpa Gohan / Devilman / General Blue / Tao / Cyborg Tao

DLC - Tambourine / King Piccolo / Zangya / Supreme Kai / Salza / Pikkon / Fasha / King Vegeta / Garlic JR

[miguelnuva1]

Alright, I'll bite. I wanna a piece of that fun as well!

thats not something that you need a source for. if you saw the super 17 arc in gt then you know that according to that story the z fighters dident had any contact with 17 since the cell saga. so thats obvious why they gave up on him since they have scenes in the story from the TOP with 17.

And what about Super Saiyan Bardock or King Vegeta? Why can't I seemingly play as them? What do they contradict? I won't ask for a source because that's not something I need a source for. I know you will give me a satisfactory answer and reasoning!

again. asking for a source about something that the game devs did not mentioned in any interview. you dont need a "source" for everything when you can just apply basic logic.

king vegeta is not in the game because there are already too many characters and ssj bardock not in it because barodck never went ssj in the main series. that was a what if special episode.

Not trying to be rude but you do know that 90% of what you said in the last two posts is completely wrong. According you you Super 17 isn't in becasue it conflicts Super and the TOP then why is GT Goku in?

[Jord]

super 17 is not in the game because his arc in GT contradict his character in super and this is a problem for them.

Do you have a source for that?

thats not something that you need a source for. if you saw the super 17 arc in gt then you know that according to that story the z fighters dident had any contact with 17 since the cell saga. so thats obvious why they gave up on him since they have scenes in the story from the TOP with 17.

So you made it up that it's a problem for "them". Gotcha.

Especially since Super 17 has been featured in games with Super characters such as the mobile games.

[SelfTrainedNamekian]

Alright, I'll bite. I wanna a piece of that fun as well!



And what about Super Saiyan Bardock or King Vegeta? Why can't I seemingly play as them? What do they contradict? I won't ask for a source because that's not something I need a source for. I know you will give me a satisfactory answer and reasoning!

again. asking for a source about something that the game devs did not mentioned in any interview. you dont need a "source" for everything when you can just apply basic logic.

king vegeta is not in the game because there are already too many characters and ssj bardock not in it because barodck never went ssj in the main series. that was a what if special episode.

Not trying to be rude but you do know that 90% of what you said in the last two posts is completely wrong. According you you Super 17 isn't in becasue it conflicts Super and the TOP then why is GT Goku in?

nothing about what i said is wrong. goku and the rest of the gt characters are there because fans demand them to be. super 17 is out because bandai dident wanted to make 17 a vilian after the TOP.

[VegettoEX]

I’m equally flabbergasted by what I’m reading. You’re just making up random scenarios to explain what are probably just simple decisions about regular ol’ feature creep and cutting things off SOMEWHERE so they can actually ship a game instead of developing it forever. I assure you there’s no secret conspiracy regarding a character’s role that prevents some other form from appearing.

I mean, Bardock inexplicably has a Super Saiyan transformation for his ultimate move in FighterZ. He was also in the Kinect game. This stuff is all on the table.

[Scsigs]

Nothing about what i said is wrong. Goku and the rest of the GT characters are there because fans demand them to be. Super 17 is out because Bandai didn't wanted to make 17 a villain after the TOP.

What? What's your basis for that?

[SelfTrainedNamekian]

Nothing about what i said is wrong. Goku and the rest of the GT characters are there because fans demand them to be. Super 17 is out because Bandai didn't wanted to make 17 a villain after the TOP.

What? What's your basis for that?

like i said there is no interview about the subject. its simpley basic logic why nearly all the gt characters are there and super 17 specifically isnt.

[Koitsukai]

Yeah... anyway, in a week from now the game will be out, do you guys think we'll get another trailer, well, not a trailer but one last not-trailer to hype us up before the release?

Maybe the opening will be leaked or shared?

[Rinsankajugin]

Yeah... anyway, in a week from now the game will be out, do you guys think we'll get another trailer, well, not a trailer but one last not-trailer to hype us up before the release?

Maybe the opening will be leaked or shared?

Oh yeah, we have had a couple of teases for the opening. I hope it's an original song, and not Chala-Head-Chala again. I like Chala-Head-Chala, but I definitely want something new from Kageyama.

[miguelnuva1]

Nothing about what i said is wrong. Goku and the rest of the GT characters are there because fans demand them to be. Super 17 is out because Bandai didn't wanted to make 17 a villain after the TOP.

What? What's your basis for that?

like i said there is no interview about the subject. its simpley basic logic why nearly all the gt characters are there and super 17 specifically isnt.

It's not basic logic it's something you made up and makes no sense because your reasoning is already moot because of the rest of the game's roster.

Super 17 was in Xenoverse 1 and 2. He's in Dokkan and he's in legends. Also he was in Heroes with several new forms before and after the TOP.

[Scsigs]

like i said there is no interview about the subject. it's simply basic logic why nearly all the gt characters are there and super 17 specifically isn't.

Bro, that's not logic. That's you bullshitting a reason for why Super 17 isn't in the game yet. He's been in other DB games since Super included original 17 in the TOP arc. You admit there's no interview saying that & there's no other reasons to think that. You literally made up a reason to explain something that hasn't been explained by the people behind the game.

[omegalucas]

Yeah... anyway, in a week from now the game will be out, do you guys think we'll get another trailer, well, not a trailer but one last not-trailer to hype us up before the release?

Maybe the opening will be leaked or shared?

Oh yeah, we have had a couple of teases for the opening. I hope it's an original song, and not Chala-Head-Chala again. I like Chala-Head-Chala, but I definitely want something new from Kageyama.

As much as I'd love that I'm starting to doubt there's gonna be a Kageyama song. They'd have teased it by now. But then again I was also sure there'd be no GT or movies and I was completely wrong so...

[SelfTrainedNamekian]

like i said there is no interview about the subject. it's simply basic logic why nearly all the gt characters are there and super 17 specifically isn't.

Bro, that's not logic. That's you bullshitting a reason for why Super 17 isn't in the game yet. He's been in other DB games since Super included original 17 in the TOP arc. You admit there's no interview saying that & there's no other reasons to think that. You literally made up a reason to explain something that hasn't been explained by the people behind the game.

i'm not bullshiting anything. its my opinion. if you dont like it i dont care.

[Grimlock]

king vegeta is not in the game because there are already too many characters and ssj bardock not in it because barodck never went ssj in the main series. that was a what if special episode.

Isn't sad that I won't get to play as King Vegeta because there was no room for him, but there was room for Freeza Soldier?

Isn't even sadder that I won't get to play as Super Saiyan Bardock because he never transformed in the "main series", only in a what-if episode? Something is really wrong with priorities!


Anyway, Spike better go all-out with the alternate paths in the story mode. It's the only interesting thing presented so far. I still think they could have their own original character at least, like other games have.

[Scsigs]

i'm not bullshiting anything. its my opinion. if you don't like it i don't care.

Your opinion is, "They're not adding Super 17 because they made 17 a hero in Super," which doesn't add up under any amount of scrutiny & we've explained why. Also, you presented it as fact in your initial post, then tried to justify it by pointing out other characters' popularity.

#1:

super 17 is not in the game because his arc in GT contradict his character in super and this is a problem for them.

dr wheelo/whiru in the game because many people love that movie as well as other movies and re-watch them regularly. many fans (me included) love to re-watch the movies because its a short investment unlike watching the entire series over and over. that makes them special. from comments i've seen online prior to the movie characters reveal people were pissed off because they thought they aren't gonna be in the game.

Character popularity does usually affect the rosters of games based on shows like this one, but Super 17 from GT has his fans. All of the villains in GT have their fans. In this one, you're also trying to chalk it up to Super 17 not being as popular as at least the movie villains, but he has about as much popularity if not more, from what I've seen.

#2: When questioned on it & asked for a source, you said you don't need one & reiterated your logic that his character arc in Super is the reason why they didn't include him because GT contradicted Super's character development with him.

Do you have a source for that?

that's not something that you need a source for. if you saw the super 17 arc in gt then you know that according to that story the z fighters didn't had any contact with 17 since the cell saga. so that's obvious why they gave up on him since they have scenes in the story from the TOP with 17.

I hate to tell you, but GT can no longer be considered canon to the main DB timeline because of Super. Super contradicts so much of what GT did & vice-versa because of character power-ups, character introductions, the events that happen, & what not. If it had to do with GT contradicting anything in Super, none of the characters from GT would be included whatsoever.

#3:

Alright, I'll bite. I wanna a piece of that fun as well!

And what about Super Saiyan Bardock or King Vegeta? Why can't I seemingly play as them? What do they contradict? I won't ask for a source because that's not something I need a source for. I know you will give me a satisfactory answer and reasoning!

again. asking for a source about something that the game devs did not mentioned in any interview. you don't need a "source" for everything when you can just apply basic logic.

king vegeta is not in the game because there are already too many characters and ssj bardock not in it because bardock never went ssj in the main series. that was a what if special episode.

Just gonna say, but King Vegeta & SS Bardock not being in the game are also big question marks, ngl. King Vegeta was in BT3, as well as has been shown in canon stuff iirc, & SS Bardock has slowly been included in more games since he went Super Saiyan in Episode of Bardock, with the first notable appearance being in Xenoverse 2 (I know it might've been DB For Kinect, but no one played that game & it has no lasting legacy outside of being a bad gimmick game that Episode of Bardock was on to give it a worldwide release), then FighterZ, & probably some others. It's curious he's not in the base roster since it's literally just taking base Bardock & giving him the Super Saiyan hair from Goku's SS1 character model. It would literally take no time at all for them to just make a character model for him. And King Vegeta's about the same. Take Vegeta's character model & alter it enough to look like his father. It's like how they would've taken Goku's character model, give him a facial scar, change his skin pigmentation, & give him Saiyan armor to make Bardock. They even did 2 variants; the 1 from minus & Super: Broly & his original variant from the original special. That takes dedication to making fans happy & forethought to make sure you include the variant more people like.

Saying that it's because they're, "not shown in regular stuff" is just bullshit when other games have done it regardless of if they've been shown in the canon materials or not. The Sparking/Budokai Tenkaichi series has included various non-canon things before & this game's already doing that by including characters & events from non-canon movies & series arcs. This argument doesn't hold any weight.

#4:

Not trying to be rude but you do know that 90% of what you said in the last two posts is completely wrong. According to you Super 17 isn't in because it conflicts Super and the TOP then why is GT Goku in?

nothing about what i said is wrong. goku and the rest of the gt characters are there because fans demand them to be. super 17 is out because bandai didn't wanted to make 17 a villain after the TOP.

So, Super 17 isn't in the game because it conflicts with his character development in Super, but they included the rest of the GT characters you'd expect because fans demand it? That doesn't make any real sense. If fan demand is why they included the other GT characters, then why not include Super 17, especially since he's been included in other games? To say that Shueisha or Toei or whoever's barring him from being in the game because of Super is ignoring other games that have been made or had DLC with him in them since 2018, as well as the general policy of the franchise being that the games can play with whatever they want as long as the proper licensing is done. Considering how they've seemingly adapted Z, Super, probably the Z & Super movies, & GT as arcs into the game's story mode (similar to BT3), as well as programmed in some of the series' trademark what-if stories, but apparently haven't done content for OG DB (only having kid Goku as an actual character model & alternate costumes for Roshi & Yamcha from that era), my assumption is that it's more likely that they had a time budget.

Think about this for a second, they had do do the following for this game:
1. Adapt the Z story.
2. Adapt the Super story.
3. Adapt some of the movies (some movie villains are also missing).
4. Adapt GT's story.
5. Include what-if scenarios & branching paths.
6. Program in over 100 characters with a BUNCH of alternate skins & come up with movesets for them.

I don't know if it's been said when this game entered production, but it probably wasn't more than 2-3 years ago. While not a bad production time, it's clear that the studio had to leave out some things for the base game to be able to meet their release window, so the majority of the Z movies & the Super 17 arc of GT got cut. Hell, Kakarot also has signs that parts of that game were rushed to meet release windows. The fact that that game has fights & iconic moments cut from the Android Arc, as well as had an extremely truncated DLC story for Battle of Gods is evident of this (though, I believe the first DLC's production may have also been affected by COVID, but not sure). I believe that the Android Arc is also the least popular in Japan of the arcs in Z, so they figured that they could truncate it to the highlights (though why they added unnecessary fights like Goku VS second form Cell is anyone's guess). THAT makes much more sense to me as to why Super 17 isn't in the base game than "they don't want GT to contradict Super." In case you haven't actually noticed, all of Super contradicts the HELL out of GT & most people have just accepted GT as the alternate timeline that it is at this point, so that doesn't make any sense.

#5:

like i said there is no interview about the subject. its simply basic logic why nearly all the gt characters are there and super 17 specifically isn't.

Your logic isn't sound, or based in any kind of reality & comes off more like a weird conspiracy theory. As I said in the last bit, it's more than likely a time issue. Super 17's arc is the shortest in GT & least liked out of them, even from GT fans, so they figured they could cut it & not a lot of people would miss it. We can only hope they add Super 17 in DLC at some point. They listen to fans, so I think they will. It's only a matter of time.

[Zephyr]

They're clearly saving Super 17 for the Super 17 arc DLC pack, alongside the many villains from DB, the movies, and GT who also didn't make it into the base game.

[Peach]

I'm disappointed that there are some Tenkaichi 3 characters that didn't make the cut. Some good ones like Pikkon, Devil Man, Super 17, and Kid Chi Chi are missing. I think there should be more of an emphasis on OG Dragon Ball and GT content, too.


 
Here is my DLC wishlist:

Z Characters-
Pikkon
Olibu
Candy Ball Vegito
Grand Supreme Kai
South Supreme Kai
Buff Buu (South Supreme Kai absorbed)
Yakon
Pui Pui
Kibito
Kibito Kai
Supreme Kai
Goten (End of Z)


Super Characters-
Magetta
Botamo
Lavender
Basil
Jimizu (The Yardrat)
Narirama
Ganos
Hop
Kahseral
Jaco
Gryll
Yurin
Universe 6 Namekians
Pybara
Moro
Saganbo
7-3
Merus
Granolah
Gas
Champa and the other Gods of Destruction
Goten (Teen)
Trunks (Teen)


OG DB Characters-
Kid Krillin
Kid Chichi
Oolong
Android 8
Ox King
Mercenary Tao
Cyborg Tao
Master Shen
Master Mutaito
Bora
Nam
Giran
Devil Man
Grandpa Gohan
Pilaf Gang Robot
Murasaki
General Blue
Arale
Fangs
Bandages
Tambourine
Drum
Cymbal


GT Characters-
Super 17
General Rilldo
Ledgic
The Missing 6 Shadow Dragons
Super Saiyan Pan (What if form)
Golden Oozaru
Goten (Adult)
Trunks (Adult)



Other-
Tiancha and other what if Fusions
Android 21
Adult Gottenks

Some very cool OG characters in your list, but where is probably the most important villain??? King Piccolo??

Seriously? King Piccolo isn't in the game? How could they do this? How could they exclude him? Seems like they only care about Z and Super and don't give DB or GT the time of day.

I also forgot Abo, Kado, Aka, Tarble, Tagoma, and Shisami. Those would be cool characters to include too.