"Sparking! ZERO" Official Announcement, Pre-, & Post-Release Discussion Thread

[Scsigs]

They're clearly saving Super 17 for the Super 17 arc DLC pack, alongside the many villains from DB, the movies, and GT who also didn't make it into the base game.

We don't quite know what they're gonna do for the DLC in this game, but it's a given they're going to include characters that aren't in the base roster, much like how Xenoverse 2 does, & they're more than likely working on Super 17 to be included at some point. Same with more OG DB characters, Dragon Ball Daima, & the other movie villains. Perhaps all the remaining GT villains & characters we'd want as well. I just hope they don't skimp out on characters.

[Peach]

They're clearly saving Super 17 for the Super 17 arc DLC pack, alongside the many villains from DB, the movies, and GT who also didn't make it into the base game.

We don't quite know what they're gonna do for the DLC in this game, but it's a given they're going to include characters that aren't in the base roster, much like how Xenoverse 2 does, & they're more than likely working on Super 17 to be included at some point. Same with more OG DB characters, Dragon Ball Daima, & the other movie villains. Perhaps all the remaining GT villains & characters we'd want as well. I just hope they don't skimp out on characters.

I don't have high hopes for DLC. I predict the focus of the DLC will be Super Hero, Daima, Moro, Granolah, and missing characters from Tenkaichi 3. Not content from OG DB, GT, Z, or Yo! Son Goku & His Friends Return.

I hope they make a game that adapts Dragon Ball and GT as in depth as Z and Super at someday. I'd love for them to go arc by arc of OG Dragon Ball in story mode. It would be a true joy to see World Tournament Fighters (Nam, Giran, etc), Fortune Teller Baba's warriors, Red Ribbon army goons, King Piccolo minions, Other World Tournament warriors, machine mutants, and the Shadow Dragons as fighters one day.

[Dbzfan94]

They're clearly saving Super 17 for the Super 17 arc DLC pack, alongside the many villains from DB, the movies, and GT who also didn't make it into the base game.

We don't quite know what they're gonna do for the DLC in this game, but it's a given they're going to include characters that aren't in the base roster, much like how Xenoverse 2 does, & they're more than likely working on Super 17 to be included at some point. Same with more OG DB characters, Dragon Ball Daima, & the other movie villains. Perhaps all the remaining GT villains & characters we'd want as well. I just hope they don't skimp out on characters.

I don't have high hopes for DLC. I predict the focus of the DLC will be Super Hero, Daima, Moro, Granolah, and missing characters from Tenkaichi 3. Not content from OG DB, GT, Z, or Yo! Son Goku & His Friends Return.

I hope they make a game that adapts Dragon Ball and GT as in depth as Z and Super at someday. I'd love for them to go arc by arc of OG Dragon Ball in story mode. It would be a true joy to see World Tournament Fighters (Nam, Giran, etc), Fortune Teller Baba's warriors, Red Ribbon army goons, King Piccolo minions, Other World Tournament warriors, machine mutants, and the Shadow Dragons as fighters one day.

The missing BT3 characters alone is at least 30. Moro and Granola is unlikely, at least for a long time.

[Scsigs]

I don't have high hopes for DLC. I predict the focus of the DLC will be Super Hero, Daima, Moro, Granolah, and missing characters from Tenkaichi 3. Not content from OG DB, GT, Z, or Yo! Son Goku & His Friends Return.

I hope they make a game that adapts Dragon Ball and GT as in depth as Z and Super at someday. I'd love for them to go arc by arc of OG Dragon Ball in story mode. It would be a true joy to see World Tournament Fighters (Nam, Giran, etc), Fortune Teller Baba's warriors, Red Ribbon army goons, King Piccolo minions, Other World Tournament warriors, machine mutants, and the Shadow Dragons as fighters one day.

Unless they get or got clearance for including manga-only characters, I very much doubt we'll get them, or the ones from that OVA considering the licensing hell that special's under due to how it was produced. Granted, I don't know how many other characters they COULD include from OG DB besides King Piccolo, Pilaf, Shu, & Mai's mech, the World Tournament fighters, & what not. Plus, if they did story content for them, I can't see much more than the tournaments & the fights with the Piccolos being adapted. GT, I'd expect Super 17, Eis & Nuova Shenron, & Rildo. I can't see anyone else unless they add base for Baby from after he leaves Vegeta's body, but that may be seen as redundant & unworkable because he's never established to have a lot of moves or a fighting style that aren't part of his move set when he's possessing Vegeta. Z, I think they already have a good amount of representation since a lot of those characters also show up in Super. Super, outside of the more memorable characters from the TOP & Super Hero, I don't see a ton of characters they could adapt. Daima, they'll probably focus on the kid versions of the characters & the villains.
Then, we have to consider what arcs that they won't already have in the base game that they could add. Xenoverse 2 adds a mix of fan requested characters on top of new characters when they do a DLC that brings them in & also put them in the PQs. So, I'm assuming we'll get additional story scenarios that use the characters that they add.

[Rinsankajugin]

Granted, I don't know how many other characters they COULD include from OG DB besides King Piccolo, Pilaf, Shu, & Mai's mech, the World Tournament fighters, & what not. Plus, if they did story content for them, I can't see much more than the tournaments & the fights with the Piccolos being adapted.

I could easily see OG getting a whole season of DLC if they include returning characters and stages, as well as a few newcomers. Let's say it'd be 3 packs, just like Season 1, this time divided by sagas...

Pack 1 (Pilaf and 21st Budokai Sagas):
- Oozaru Teen Goku [plus Teen Goku's blue and Turtle gis from OG]
- Teen Krillin [Orin Temple and Turtle gi costumes]
- Teen Chi-Chi
- Pilaf Machine
- Combined Pilaf Machine
- King Chappa [plus an old man alt based on Toyotaro's updated design]
- Giran
- Nam
- Mount Paozu, Kame House, and OG Tournament stages

Pack 2 (Red Ribbon Army Saga):
- Eighter [blue shirt, orange shirt, and jacket vest alts]
- Major Metallitron [OG and Path to Power versions]
- Ninja Murasaki
- General Blue [OG and Path to Power versions]
- Arale [80s and 90s anime versions]
- Tao Pai-Pai [OG and Movie 3 versions]
- Officer Black [OG and Path to Power versions]
- Battle Suit Officer Black
- Muscle Tower, Penguin Village, and Red Ribbon Base stages

Pack 3 (King Piccolo and 23rd Budokai Sagas):
- Devilman Spike
- Grandpa Gohan
- Four Witches Tien [as a transformation for base Tien, plus OG alts for himself and Chiaotzu]
- Tambourine
- King Piccolo [Old and Young versions]
- Cyborg Tao
- Chi-Chi [with alts based on DBZ, GT, and Super]
- Giant Piccolo [as a transformation for Early Piccolo, plus a Majunior alt]
- Baba's Palace, King Furry's Castle, and Destroyed OG Tournament stages

[miguelnuva1]

I'm not preparing for anymore DLC past Suoer Hero and Daima especially with Jump Festa coming up and rumors of a new dragonball project.

A sequel to Sparking Zero would probaly be easier to make money with then the constant dlc Xenoverse had and there is a lot to market off a sequel like the old days.

Also Dimps choose Dlc I could see Spike choosing the sequel route.

[Rinsankajugin]

I'm not preparing for anymore DLC past Suoer Hero and Daima especially with Jump Festa coming up and rumors of a new dragonball project.

A sequel to Sparking Zero would probaly be easier to make money with then the constant dlc Xenoverse had and there is a lot to market off a sequel like the old days.

Also Dimps choose Dlc I could see Spike choosing the sequel route.

I mean, FighterZ and Kakarot also have plenty of DLC, so it's not just a Dimps thing. It'd be kinda weird to do a quick PS2-style sequel in this age of digital updates. The fact that a LOT of people are calling Sparking Zero "Generational" implies that everyone expects this game to have a LOT of longevity.

[Koitsukai]

Game is not even out and people are already saying there's a sequel on the way? what else is there to add that would require a brand new game?

XV2 proved they can milk a shitty game for a decade. This game will have a decent life.

[miguelnuva1]

Game is not even out and people are already saying there's a sequel on the way? what else is there to add that would require a brand new game?

XV2 proved they can milk a shitty game for a decade. This game will have a decent life.

No I said I see them doing a sequel more then endless DLC personally, nit we ate for sure getting a sequel.

The Tenkaichi games always added new characters and with a couple new what is and the same atroy mode.

A dedicated offline multimedia player would sell a sequel on its own.

[FiReFTW]

Game is not even out and people are already saying there's a sequel on the way? what else is there to add that would require a brand new game?

XV2 proved they can milk a shitty game for a decade. This game will have a decent life.

No I said I see them doing a sequel more then endless DLC personally, nit we ate for sure getting a sequel.

The Tenkaichi games always added new characters and with a couple new what is and the same atroy mode.

A dedicated offline multimedia player would sell a sequel on its own.

Times have changed, nowadays its popular and more profitable to do a lot of DLC's than sequels... Sparking Zero is a generational game and is capable of going strong for a decade, they have a ton of DLC potential, they surely realize it and I'm sure they will capitalize on it, thats why we already got a confirmed "SEASON PASS" with 3 DLCs.... what do you think a Season Pass is? Its basically a pass with many addons that is seasonal... so if they have a season pass now, it means they will have next season pass and after that the 3rd season pass etc... Its more than obvious at this point.

[Lord Beerus]

DRAGON BALL: Sparking! ZERO - IGNITE THE SPARK Trailer

[SelfTrainedNamekian]

i'm not bullshiting anything. its my opinion. if you don't like it i don't care.

Your opinion is, "They're not adding Super 17 because they made 17 a hero in Super," which doesn't add up under any amount of scrutiny & we've explained why. Also, you presented it as fact in your initial post, then tried to justify it by pointing out other characters' popularity.

#1:

super 17 is not in the game because his arc in GT contradict his character in super and this is a problem for them.

dr wheelo/whiru in the game because many people love that movie as well as other movies and re-watch them regularly. many fans (me included) love to re-watch the movies because its a short investment unlike watching the entire series over and over. that makes them special. from comments i've seen online prior to the movie characters reveal people were pissed off because they thought they aren't gonna be in the game.

Character popularity does usually affect the rosters of games based on shows like this one, but Super 17 from GT has his fans. All of the villains in GT have their fans. In this one, you're also trying to chalk it up to Super 17 not being as popular as at least the movie villains, but he has about as much popularity if not more, from what I've seen.

#2: When questioned on it & asked for a source, you said you don't need one & reiterated your logic that his character arc in Super is the reason why they didn't include him because GT contradicted Super's character development with him.

Do you have a source for that?

that's not something that you need a source for. if you saw the super 17 arc in gt then you know that according to that story the z fighters didn't had any contact with 17 since the cell saga. so that's obvious why they gave up on him since they have scenes in the story from the TOP with 17.

I hate to tell you, but GT can no longer be considered canon to the main DB timeline because of Super. Super contradicts so much of what GT did & vice-versa because of character power-ups, character introductions, the events that happen, & what not. If it had to do with GT contradicting anything in Super, none of the characters from GT would be included whatsoever.

#3:

Alright, I'll bite. I wanna a piece of that fun as well!

And what about Super Saiyan Bardock or King Vegeta? Why can't I seemingly play as them? What do they contradict? I won't ask for a source because that's not something I need a source for. I know you will give me a satisfactory answer and reasoning!

again. asking for a source about something that the game devs did not mentioned in any interview. you don't need a "source" for everything when you can just apply basic logic.

king vegeta is not in the game because there are already too many characters and ssj bardock not in it because bardock never went ssj in the main series. that was a what if special episode.

Just gonna say, but King Vegeta & SS Bardock not being in the game are also big question marks, ngl. King Vegeta was in BT3, as well as has been shown in canon stuff iirc, & SS Bardock has slowly been included in more games since he went Super Saiyan in Episode of Bardock, with the first notable appearance being in Xenoverse 2 (I know it might've been DB For Kinect, but no one played that game & it has no lasting legacy outside of being a bad gimmick game that Episode of Bardock was on to give it a worldwide release), then FighterZ, & probably some others. It's curious he's not in the base roster since it's literally just taking base Bardock & giving him the Super Saiyan hair from Goku's SS1 character model. It would literally take no time at all for them to just make a character model for him. And King Vegeta's about the same. Take Vegeta's character model & alter it enough to look like his father. It's like how they would've taken Goku's character model, give him a facial scar, change his skin pigmentation, & give him Saiyan armor to make Bardock. They even did 2 variants; the 1 from minus & Super: Broly & his original variant from the original special. That takes dedication to making fans happy & forethought to make sure you include the variant more people like.

Saying that it's because they're, "not shown in regular stuff" is just bullshit when other games have done it regardless of if they've been shown in the canon materials or not. The Sparking/Budokai Tenkaichi series has included various non-canon things before & this game's already doing that by including characters & events from non-canon movies & series arcs. This argument doesn't hold any weight.

#4:

Not trying to be rude but you do know that 90% of what you said in the last two posts is completely wrong. According to you Super 17 isn't in because it conflicts Super and the TOP then why is GT Goku in?

nothing about what i said is wrong. goku and the rest of the gt characters are there because fans demand them to be. super 17 is out because bandai didn't wanted to make 17 a villain after the TOP.

So, Super 17 isn't in the game because it conflicts with his character development in Super, but they included the rest of the GT characters you'd expect because fans demand it? That doesn't make any real sense. If fan demand is why they included the other GT characters, then why not include Super 17, especially since he's been included in other games? To say that Shueisha or Toei or whoever's barring him from being in the game because of Super is ignoring other games that have been made or had DLC with him in them since 2018, as well as the general policy of the franchise being that the games can play with whatever they want as long as the proper licensing is done. Considering how they've seemingly adapted Z, Super, probably the Z & Super movies, & GT as arcs into the game's story mode (similar to BT3), as well as programmed in some of the series' trademark what-if stories, but apparently haven't done content for OG DB (only having kid Goku as an actual character model & alternate costumes for Roshi & Yamcha from that era), my assumption is that it's more likely that they had a time budget.

Think about this for a second, they had do do the following for this game:
1. Adapt the Z story.
2. Adapt the Super story.
3. Adapt some of the movies (some movie villains are also missing).
4. Adapt GT's story.
5. Include what-if scenarios & branching paths.
6. Program in over 100 characters with a BUNCH of alternate skins & come up with movesets for them.

I don't know if it's been said when this game entered production, but it probably wasn't more than 2-3 years ago. While not a bad production time, it's clear that the studio had to leave out some things for the base game to be able to meet their release window, so the majority of the Z movies & the Super 17 arc of GT got cut. Hell, Kakarot also has signs that parts of that game were rushed to meet release windows. The fact that that game has fights & iconic moments cut from the Android Arc, as well as had an extremely truncated DLC story for Battle of Gods is evident of this (though, I believe the first DLC's production may have also been affected by COVID, but not sure). I believe that the Android Arc is also the least popular in Japan of the arcs in Z, so they figured that they could truncate it to the highlights (though why they added unnecessary fights like Goku VS second form Cell is anyone's guess). THAT makes much more sense to me as to why Super 17 isn't in the base game than "they don't want GT to contradict Super." In case you haven't actually noticed, all of Super contradicts the HELL out of GT & most people have just accepted GT as the alternate timeline that it is at this point, so that doesn't make any sense.

#5:

like i said there is no interview about the subject. its simply basic logic why nearly all the gt characters are there and super 17 specifically isn't.

Your logic isn't sound, or based in any kind of reality & comes off more like a weird conspiracy theory. As I said in the last bit, it's more than likely a time issue. Super 17's arc is the shortest in GT & least liked out of them, even from GT fans, so they figured they could cut it & not a lot of people would miss it. We can only hope they add Super 17 in DLC at some point. They listen to fans, so I think they will. It's only a matter of time.

long post and a lot of words all to attack me personally and not give your opinion why the majority of GT characters are in the game but super 17 isnt. its like all you cared about in this post is to "win" in a debate you yourself created all because i just said my opinion and for some reason that is making you extreamly angry.

you are welcomed to tell me why do you think nearly all the GT characters are in the game and super 17 isnt.

[Peach]

I don't have high hopes for DLC. I predict the focus of the DLC will be Super Hero, Daima, Moro, Granolah, and missing characters from Tenkaichi 3. Not content from OG DB, GT, Z, or Yo! Son Goku & His Friends Return.

I hope they make a game that adapts Dragon Ball and GT as in depth as Z and Super at someday. I'd love for them to go arc by arc of OG Dragon Ball in story mode. It would be a true joy to see World Tournament Fighters (Nam, Giran, etc), Fortune Teller Baba's warriors, Red Ribbon army goons, King Piccolo minions, Other World Tournament warriors, machine mutants, and the Shadow Dragons as fighters one day.

Unless they get or got clearance for including manga-only characters, I very much doubt we'll get them, or the ones from that OVA considering the licensing hell that special's under due to how it was produced. Granted, I don't know how many other characters they COULD include from OG DB besides King Piccolo, Pilaf, Shu, & Mai's mech, the World Tournament fighters, & what not. Plus, if they did story content for them, I can't see much more than the tournaments & the fights with the Piccolos being adapted. GT, I'd expect Super 17, Eis & Nuova Shenron, & Rildo. I can't see anyone else unless they add base for Baby from after he leaves Vegeta's body, but that may be seen as redundant & unworkable because he's never established to have a lot of moves or a fighting style that aren't part of his move set when he's possessing Vegeta. Z, I think they already have a good amount of representation since a lot of those characters also show up in Super. Super, outside of the more memorable characters from the TOP & Super Hero, I don't see a ton of characters they could adapt. Daima, they'll probably focus on the kid versions of the characters & the villains.
Then, we have to consider what arcs that they won't already have in the base game that they could add. Xenoverse 2 adds a mix of fan requested characters on top of new characters when they do a DLC that brings them in & also put them in the PQs. So, I'm assuming we'll get additional story scenarios that use the characters that they add.

Hasn't Tarble been in games before? I don't think it would be that difficult to get him if he's been in games before. Maybe the licensing issues are with the distribution of the special itself and not the characters.

God. Tarble, Abo, Kado, and Aka would be cool.

[Peach]

Granted, I don't know how many other characters they COULD include from OG DB besides King Piccolo, Pilaf, Shu, & Mai's mech, the World Tournament fighters, & what not. Plus, if they did story content for them, I can't see much more than the tournaments & the fights with the Piccolos being adapted.

I could easily see OG getting a whole season of DLC if they include returning characters and stages, as well as a few newcomers. Let's say it'd be 3 packs, just like Season 1, this time divided by sagas...

Pack 1 (Pilaf and 21st Budokai Sagas):
- Oozaru Teen Goku [plus Teen Goku's blue and Turtle gis from OG]
- Teen Krillin [Orin Temple and Turtle gi costumes]
- Teen Chi-Chi
- Pilaf Machine
- Combined Pilaf Machine
- King Chappa [plus an old man alt based on Toyotaro's updated design]
- Giran
- Nam
- Mount Paozu, Kame House, and OG Tournament stages

Pack 2 (Red Ribbon Army Saga):
- Eighter [blue shirt, orange shirt, and jacket vest alts]
- Major Metallitron [OG and Path to Power versions]
- Ninja Murasaki
- General Blue [OG and Path to Power versions]
- Arale [80s and 90s anime versions]
- Tao Pai-Pai [OG and Movie 3 versions]
- Officer Black [OG and Path to Power versions]
- Battle Suit Officer Black
- Muscle Tower, Penguin Village, and Red Ribbon Base stages

Pack 3 (King Piccolo and 23rd Budokai Sagas):
- Devilman Spike
- Grandpa Gohan
- Four Witches Tien [as a transformation for base Tien, plus OG alts for himself and Chiaotzu]
- Tambourine
- King Piccolo [Old and Young versions]
- Cyborg Tao
- Chi-Chi [with alts based on DBZ, GT, and Super]
- Giant Piccolo [as a transformation for Early Piccolo, plus a Majunior alt]
- Baba's Palace, King Furry's Castle, and Destroyed OG Tournament stages

What do you think of my wishlist?

Z Characters-
Pikkon
Olibu
Salza
King Vegeta
Candy Ball Vegito
Grand Supreme Kai
South Supreme Kai
Buff Buu (South Supreme Kai absorbed)
Yakon
Pui Pui
Kibito
Kibito Kai
Supreme Kai
Goten (End of Z)



Super Characters-
Tagoma
Shisami
Magetta
Botamo
Universe 6 Namekians
Lavender
Basil
Jimizu (The Yardrat)
Narirama
Ganos
Hop
Kahseral
Zarbuto
Rabanra
Murichim
Jaco
Gryll
Yurin
Goten (Teen)
Trunks (Teen)
Cell Max
Gamma 1
Gamma 2
Champa and the other Gods of Destruction




Manga Exclusive Characters-
Pybara
Moro
Saganbo
7-3
Merus
Granolah
Gas




OG DB Characters-
Kid Krillin
Kid Chichi
Oolong
Android 8
Ox King
Mercenary Tao
Cyborg Tao
Master Shen
Master Mutaito
Bora
Nam
Giran
Devil Man
Grandpa Gohan
Pilaf Gang Robot
Murasaki
General Blue
Arale
Fangs
Bandages
King Piccolo
Tambourine
Drum
Cymbal



GT Characters-
Super 17
General Rilldo
Ledgic
The Missing 6 Shadow Dragons
Super Saiyan Pan (What if form)
Golden Oozaru
Goten (Adult)
Trunks (Adult)



Other-
Tiencha, Gokule, Zarbuto + Rabanra Fusion, and other What If Fusions
Android 21
Adult Gottenks
Tarble
Abo
Kado
Aka

[Scsigs]

Spoiler:

i'm not bullshiting anything. its my opinion. if you don't like it i don't care.

Your opinion is, "They're not adding Super 17 because they made 17 a hero in Super," which doesn't add up under any amount of scrutiny & we've explained why. Also, you presented it as fact in your initial post, then tried to justify it by pointing out other characters' popularity.

#1:

super 17 is not in the game because his arc in GT contradict his character in super and this is a problem for them.

dr wheelo/whiru in the game because many people love that movie as well as other movies and re-watch them regularly. many fans (me included) love to re-watch the movies because its a short investment unlike watching the entire series over and over. that makes them special. from comments i've seen online prior to the movie characters reveal people were pissed off because they thought they aren't gonna be in the game.

Character popularity does usually affect the rosters of games based on shows like this one, but Super 17 from GT has his fans. All of the villains in GT have their fans. In this one, you're also trying to chalk it up to Super 17 not being as popular as at least the movie villains, but he has about as much popularity if not more, from what I've seen.

#2: When questioned on it & asked for a source, you said you don't need one & reiterated your logic that his character arc in Super is the reason why they didn't include him because GT contradicted Super's character development with him.

that's not something that you need a source for. if you saw the super 17 arc in gt then you know that according to that story the z fighters didn't had any contact with 17 since the cell saga. so that's obvious why they gave up on him since they have scenes in the story from the TOP with 17.

I hate to tell you, but GT can no longer be considered canon to the main DB timeline because of Super. Super contradicts so much of what GT did & vice-versa because of character power-ups, character introductions, the events that happen, & what not. If it had to do with GT contradicting anything in Super, none of the characters from GT would be included whatsoever.

#3:

again. asking for a source about something that the game devs did not mentioned in any interview. you don't need a "source" for everything when you can just apply basic logic.

king vegeta is not in the game because there are already too many characters and ssj bardock not in it because bardock never went ssj in the main series. that was a what if special episode.

Just gonna say, but King Vegeta & SS Bardock not being in the game are also big question marks, ngl. King Vegeta was in BT3, as well as has been shown in canon stuff iirc, & SS Bardock has slowly been included in more games since he went Super Saiyan in Episode of Bardock, with the first notable appearance being in Xenoverse 2 (I know it might've been DB For Kinect, but no one played that game & it has no lasting legacy outside of being a bad gimmick game that Episode of Bardock was on to give it a worldwide release), then FighterZ, & probably some others. It's curious he's not in the base roster since it's literally just taking base Bardock & giving him the Super Saiyan hair from Goku's SS1 character model. It would literally take no time at all for them to just make a character model for him. And King Vegeta's about the same. Take Vegeta's character model & alter it enough to look like his father. It's like how they would've taken Goku's character model, give him a facial scar, change his skin pigmentation, & give him Saiyan armor to make Bardock. They even did 2 variants; the 1 from minus & Super: Broly & his original variant from the original special. That takes dedication to making fans happy & forethought to make sure you include the variant more people like.

Saying that it's because they're, "not shown in regular stuff" is just bullshit when other games have done it regardless of if they've been shown in the canon materials or not. The Sparking/Budokai Tenkaichi series has included various non-canon things before & this game's already doing that by including characters & events from non-canon movies & series arcs. This argument doesn't hold any weight.

#4:

nothing about what i said is wrong. goku and the rest of the gt characters are there because fans demand them to be. super 17 is out because bandai didn't wanted to make 17 a villain after the TOP.

So, Super 17 isn't in the game because it conflicts with his character development in Super, but they included the rest of the GT characters you'd expect because fans demand it? That doesn't make any real sense. If fan demand is why they included the other GT characters, then why not include Super 17, especially since he's been included in other games? To say that Shueisha or Toei or whoever's barring him from being in the game because of Super is ignoring other games that have been made or had DLC with him in them since 2018, as well as the general policy of the franchise being that the games can play with whatever they want as long as the proper licensing is done. Considering how they've seemingly adapted Z, Super, probably the Z & Super movies, & GT as arcs into the game's story mode (similar to BT3), as well as programmed in some of the series' trademark what-if stories, but apparently haven't done content for OG DB (only having kid Goku as an actual character model & alternate costumes for Roshi & Yamcha from that era), my assumption is that it's more likely that they had a time budget.

Think about this for a second, they had do do the following for this game:
1. Adapt the Z story.
2. Adapt the Super story.
3. Adapt some of the movies (some movie villains are also missing).
4. Adapt GT's story.
5. Include what-if scenarios & branching paths.
6. Program in over 100 characters with a BUNCH of alternate skins & come up with movesets for them.

I don't know if it's been said when this game entered production, but it probably wasn't more than 2-3 years ago. While not a bad production time, it's clear that the studio had to leave out some things for the base game to be able to meet their release window, so the majority of the Z movies & the Super 17 arc of GT got cut. Hell, Kakarot also has signs that parts of that game were rushed to meet release windows. The fact that that game has fights & iconic moments cut from the Android Arc, as well as had an extremely truncated DLC story for Battle of Gods is evident of this (though, I believe the first DLC's production may have also been affected by COVID, but not sure). I believe that the Android Arc is also the least popular in Japan of the arcs in Z, so they figured that they could truncate it to the highlights (though why they added unnecessary fights like Goku VS second form Cell is anyone's guess). THAT makes much more sense to me as to why Super 17 isn't in the base game than "they don't want GT to contradict Super." In case you haven't actually noticed, all of Super contradicts the HELL out of GT & most people have just accepted GT as the alternate timeline that it is at this point, so that doesn't make any sense.

#5:

like i said there is no interview about the subject. its simply basic logic why nearly all the gt characters are there and super 17 specifically isn't.

Your logic isn't sound, or based in any kind of reality & comes off more like a weird conspiracy theory. As I said in the last bit, it's more than likely a time issue. Super 17's arc is the shortest in GT & least liked out of them, even from GT fans, so they figured they could cut it & not a lot of people would miss it. We can only hope they add Super 17 in DLC at some point. They listen to fans, so I think they will. It's only a matter of time.

long post and a lot of words all to attack me personally and not give your opinion why the majority of GT characters are in the game but super 17 isnt. its like all you cared about in this post is to "win" in a debate you yourself created all because i just said my opinion and for some reason that is making you extremely angry.

you are welcomed to tell me why do you think nearly all the GT characters are in the game and super 17 isn't.

Bro, you illiterate dumbfuck, this is why you need to actually read & not just assume what people say to you in response. I DID say why I think he isn't in the game.

Here's a copy/paste:

So, Super 17 isn't in the game because it conflicts with his character development in Super, but they included the rest of the GT characters you'd expect because fans demand it? That doesn't make any real sense. If fan demand is why they included the other GT characters, then why not include Super 17, especially since he's been included in other games? To say that Shueisha or Toei or whoever's barring him from being in the game because of Super is ignoring other games that have been made or had DLC with him in them since 2018, as well as the general policy of the franchise being that the games can play with whatever they want as long as the proper licensing is done. Considering how they've seemingly adapted Z, Super, probably the Z & Super movies, & GT as arcs into the game's story mode (similar to BT3), as well as programmed in some of the series' trademark what-if stories, but apparently haven't done content for OG DB (only having kid Goku as an actual character model & alternate costumes for Roshi & Yamcha from that era), my assumption is that it's more likely that they had a time budget.

Think about this for a second, they had do do the following for this game:
1. Adapt the Z story.
2. Adapt the Super story.
3. Adapt some of the movies (some movie villains are also missing).
4. Adapt GT's story.
5. Include what-if scenarios & branching paths.
6. Program in over 100 characters with a BUNCH of alternate skins & come up with movesets for them.

I don't know if it's been said when this game entered production, but it probably wasn't more than 2-3 years ago. While not a bad production time, it's clear that the studio had to leave out some things for the base game to be able to meet their release window, so the majority of the Z movies & the Super 17 arc of GT got cut. Hell, Kakarot also has signs that parts of that game were rushed to meet release windows. The fact that that game has fights & iconic moments cut from the Android Arc, as well as had an extremely truncated DLC story for Battle of Gods is evident of this (though, I believe the first DLC's production may have also been affected by COVID, but not sure). I believe that the Android Arc is also the least popular in Japan of the arcs in Z, so they figured that they could truncate it to the highlights (though why they added unnecessary fights like Goku VS second form Cell is anyone's guess). THAT makes much more sense to me as to why Super 17 isn't in the base game than "they don't want GT to contradict Super." In case you haven't actually noticed, all of Super contradicts the HELL out of GT & most people have just accepted GT as the alternate timeline that it is at this point, so that doesn't make any sense.

If you don't at least read the boldened sentences, I will officially stop taking you seriously, get mad, & stop being nice about this.

I didn't attack you personally. I attacked your points beat by beat & pointed out why your logic is flawed & is defeated by any amount of scrutiny. Shut the fuck up & actually READ.

Hasn't Tarble been in games before? I don't think it would be that difficult to get him if he's been in games before. Maybe the licensing issues are with the distribution of the special itself and not the characters.

God. Tarble, Abo, Kado, and Aka would be cool.

Raging Blast 2, DB Heroes, Dokkan Battle, & Super DB Heroes: World Mission. 4 (technically 3 since World Mission is just a port of the Heroes arcade game) games. I don't know why he hasn't been in at least Xenoverse, but that's it. Maybe they could put him in this one, but who knows?

[Rinsankajugin]

What do you think of my wishlist?

Z Characters-
Pikkon
Olibu
Salza
King Vegeta
Candy Ball Vegito
Grand Supreme Kai
South Supreme Kai
Buff Buu (South Supreme Kai absorbed)
Yakon
Pui Pui
Kibito
Kibito Kai
Supreme Kai
Goten (End of Z)

Super Characters-
Tagoma
Shisami
Magetta
Botamo
Universe 6 Namekians
Lavender
Basil
Jimizu (The Yardrat)
Narirama
Ganos
Hop
Kahseral
Zarbuto
Rabanra
Murichim
Jaco
Gryll
Yurin
Goten (Teen)
Trunks (Teen)
Cell Max
Gamma 1
Gamma 2
Champa and the other Gods of Destruction

Manga Exclusive Characters-
Pybara
Moro
Saganbo
7-3
Merus
Granolah
Gas

OG DB Characters-
Kid Krillin
Kid Chichi
Oolong
Android 8
Ox King
Mercenary Tao
Cyborg Tao
Master Shen
Master Mutaito
Bora
Nam
Giran
Devil Man
Grandpa Gohan
Pilaf Gang Robot
Murasaki
General Blue
Arale
Fangs
Bandages
King Piccolo
Tambourine
Drum
Cymbal

GT Characters-
Super 17
General Rilldo
Ledgic
The Missing 6 Shadow Dragons
Super Saiyan Pan (What if form)
Golden Oozaru
Goten (Adult)
Trunks (Adult)

Other-
Tiencha, Gokule, Zarbuto + Rabanra Fusion, and other What If Fusions
Android 21
Adult Gottenks
Tarble
Abo
Kado
Aka

Pretty fun picks for sure, I had a feeling I was missing some OG characters. Candy Vegetto is definitely an interesting choice, though I have no idea how that would work hitbox-wise.

As for some additions, I'd also add a few more movie characters, like Fasha, Toma, Dore, Neiz, 14, 15, Zangya, Gokua, and yes, even Bio-Broly. In terms of Goten and Trunks, I could see them having their DBS versions as defaults while having their EoZ and GT versions as alt skins, rather than separate characters. Speaking of, if you're including manga characters, might as well include Saiyaman X1 and X2 transformations for them as well, and maybe Fat Gotenks too. In terms of other DBS characters, I could also see Zirloin, Maji-Kayo, Caway, Majora, Dercori, Kunshi, and Shimorekka. In terms of GT reps, I'd also like to see Mutchy-Mutchy, Luud, Super Mega Cannon Sigma, and Papayaman. On the last section (Other), I'd add Hatchiyack, Ozotto, Chronoa, Towa, Mira, Fu, Demigra, Hearts, Cumber, Sealas, Chilled, Bonyu, Shallot, Giblet, Zahha, Pinich, and a giant Ultra-Fusion character with a specific 5-way fusion mechanic and 9 different default appearances that changes depending on who started the fusion.

[Scsigs]

I could easily see OG getting a whole season of DLC if they include returning characters and stages, as well as a few newcomers. Let's say it'd be 3 packs, just like Season 1, this time divided by sagas...

Pack 1 (Pilaf and 21st Budokai Sagas):
- Oozaru Teen Goku [plus Teen Goku's blue and Turtle gis from OG]
- Teen Krillin [Orin Temple and Turtle gi costumes]
- Teen Chi-Chi
- Pilaf Machine
- Combined Pilaf Machine
- King Chappa [plus an old man alt based on Toyotaro's updated design]
- Giran
- Nam
- Mount Paozu, Kame House, and OG Tournament stages

Pack 2 (Red Ribbon Army Saga):
- Eighter [blue shirt, orange shirt, and jacket vest alts]
- Major Metallitron [OG and Path to Power versions]
- Ninja Murasaki
- General Blue [OG and Path to Power versions]
- Arale [80s and 90s anime versions]
- Tao Pai-Pai [OG and Movie 3 versions]
- Officer Black [OG and Path to Power versions]
- Battle Suit Officer Black
- Muscle Tower, Penguin Village, and Red Ribbon Base stages

Pack 3 (King Piccolo and 23rd Budokai Sagas):
- Devilman Spike
- Grandpa Gohan
- Four Witches Tien [as a transformation for base Tien, plus OG alts for himself and Chiaotzu]
- Tambourine
- King Piccolo [Old and Young versions]
- Cyborg Tao
- Chi-Chi [with alts based on DBZ, GT, and Super]
- Giant Piccolo [as a transformation for Early Piccolo, plus a Majunior alt]
- Baba's Palace, King Furry's Castle, and Destroyed OG Tournament stages

I think what would work best is if they do 1 giant DLC pack for OG DB & include as many of these characters & the stories they belong to as possible. Granted, that may drive up the price for it, but I think that'd work the best. Returning characters from BT3 would be the best to do first, then if they could add in some extras, that'd be great. And then do the stories from OG DB that they can adapt. OG DB, especially in the day & age where it's being more & more forgotten & displaced by its sequels, needs representation so people actually check it out. That's why I loved when the last arc of that show got adapted into Kakarot. It was unexpected, but very much welcome.

[super michael]

In 3 days we can play this game, if we pre-ordered the Deluxe or Ultimate edition. Very soon we can play it.

I will do story mode and try to unlock everything.

[FiReFTW]

In 3 days we can play this game, if we pre-ordered the Deluxe or Ultimate edition. Very soon we can play it.

I will do story mode and try to unlock everything.

I'm still confussed with this release date, it says it is relased on the 11th, so 3 days early is the 8th which is tuesday, but people say you can play it monday, very confussing.

[super michael]

In 3 days we can play this game, if we pre-ordered the Deluxe or Ultimate edition. Very soon we can play it.

I will do story mode and try to unlock everything.

I'm still confussed with this release date, it says it is relased on the 11th, so 3 days early is the 8th which is tuesday, but people say you can play it monday, very confussing.

The official release date is 11 Oct, 2024, this applies to those that gets the normal edition or didn't pre-order the other editions.
However for those who pre-order the Deluxe or Ultimate edition, we get to play this game 3 days before the official release date.

True it should be playable on Tuesday 8th October. However in Steam it says that we can play in 3 days.
As for the normal edition it says it gets unlocked in 6 days.