is that make sense that only universe 7,6 and 11 have strong fighters?

[SelfTrainedNamekian]

just my observation about the TOP. it seems that other then jiren,dyspo,toppo from universe 11, and maybe hit from universe 6, not including fusions so no keffla. and from universe 7 its goku and vegeta + frieza and 17. other then all the ones i mentioned, the vast majority of fighters are weaklings in comparison to those i mentioned. none of the other universe fighters can rival even base goku and vegeta. universe 9 was the weakest and first to drop out. how is that making sense that no universe outside of 11 and 7 have fighters who come close or even suprass god level? i mean if all the participating universes recruited the strongest fighters in their universe its making no sense that nobody there is strong. universe 10 - complete bunch of weaklings, universe 4 - weaklings, universe 3 - just robotic weaklings who were a threat only when they all fused together. universe 2 - the "love" trio was a little bit stronger but still cant get even close to god's level.

its just dosent seem right that only jiren would be among all universes the only one who can officially suprass god of desturction. either those universes are very small or the kaioshins made poor judgement recruiting them. or maybe some of the strongests ones were evil so they dident fit?

[Hugo Boss]

Tournament arcs are usually structured with introducing about two really strong individuals, and the rest of the bunch are just stepping stones towards the end goal. Goku’s strongest comrades commonly lose to the big opponent. I guess this is what happens when the scope of a tournament arc reaches its limit.

[ZombieVito]

While not God level, some universes do have strong unfused fighters like Mona, Katopesla and Maji Kayo who were all Super Saiyan tier and up.

All of them can one shot the whole of DBZ.

P.S. And even many of the base tier ones like Obuni can beat any form of Boo from DBZ.

[PerhapsTheOtherOne]

Gotta remember that, if Universe 7 is any indication, the vast majority of Mortals don't have any kind of real Ki manipulation to speak of.

The Tournament of Power had the Gods of Destruction and Supreme Kais pulling the best of the best out of untold trillions of mortals.

[Makaioshin]

The anime builds up other character for the antagonist of the week format. So beyond those you have guys like Ganos or the U6 Namekians who were growing in power and could have been threats, the U2 men utilizing the power of love in the form of a black hole, and some other gimmick fighters like the snipers who fought tactically.

It is really not so strange when you consider how peculiar Goku's life is and how far he has gotten thanks to the people he has known and the DBs themselves. He has trained under and befriended several gods, cheated death multiple times, and Earth itself only continues to thrive thanks to time travel shenanigans. Only 15 years ago or so Freeza was considered the defacto strongest in Universe 7.

[SelfTrainedNamekian]

While not God level, some universes do have strong unfused fighters like Mona, Katopesla and Maji Kayo who were all Super Saiyan tier and up.

All of them can one shot the whole of DBZ.

P.S. And even many of the base tier ones like Obuni can beat any form of Boo from DBZ.

how do you know? its never stated what their power level is.

[Hugo Boss]

For instance, Ultimate Katopesla is overwhelmed by SS Vegeta’s final flash and Giant Ball Monna is overwhelmed by SS2 Cabba’s final flash. I’m not seeing them beating characters above SS2 level from DBZ.

Maji-Kayo is a different matter though. He can restrain SS Goku and Dyspo, and Jiren seemingly acknowledged him as an opponent he was needed for, though SSB Goku can easily break out of his grip. I’m not seeing him quite at SSG level, but perhaps he could beat Majin Boo.

[ZombieVito]

how do you know? its never stated what their power level is.

By watching the show?

The base tier by the ToP demolishes all versions of Boo from Z since SS3 Gotenks was completely wrecked by base Copy Vegeta 2 arcs prior.

Now all characters I mentioned are Super Saiyan tier at minimum so they beat even Z SS Vegetto.

[SelfTrainedNamekian]

how do you know? its never stated what their power level is.

By watching the show?

The base tier by the ToP demolishes all versions of Boo from Z since SS3 Gotenks was completely wrecked by base Copy Vegeta 2 arcs prior.

Now all characters I mentioned are Super Saiyan tier at minimum so they beat even Z SS Vegetto.

copy vegeta have nothing to do with the TOP fighters.

[Hugo Boss]

Copy Vegeta vs. Goku is written with their base form having the power of Super Saiyan God, that’s why Copy Vegeta easily overpowers SS3 Gotenks. Those episodes were written by Yoshifumi Fukushima, while most of the “canon” episodes were written by either King Ryu or Toshio Yoshitaka. Ayumi Ono was responsible for the direction of that episode specifically and only returned in the episode that Goku fights Top for the first time. That could explain why the powerscalling in this episode feels so out of place (though you could argue the whole show suffers from this).

[Koitsukai]

I hardly think DBS power scaling depends on (and accomodates to) whoever wrote a filler arc like the Copy Vegeta, instead of Toriyama or Toyotaro, in charge of the main story of the series.

[ZombieVito]

copy vegeta have nothing to do with the TOP fighters.

Of course it does.

It showed how far the current base tier went in comparison to Z and it went even higher since Goku and Vegeta got stronger in the Zamasu arc.

[SelfTrainedNamekian]

copy vegeta have nothing to do with the TOP fighters.

Of course it does.

It showed how far the current base tier went in comparison to Z and it went even higher since Goku and Vegeta got stronger in the Zamasu arc.

of course it does not. copy vegeta was his own character. it dosent have any relations with the TOP fighters

[ZombieVito]

of course it does not. copy vegeta was his own character. it dosent have any relations with the TOP fighters

Copy Vegeta has the exact power the original Vegeta has and he demolished SS3 Gotenks in base. Meaning that current base tier is stronger than the higher tiers of the Boo arc. So a lot of the ToP fighters (Like Obuni) who are in that base tier also demolish the higher tiers of the Boo arc quite easily.

It's not rocket science.

[SelfTrainedNamekian]

of course it does not. copy vegeta was his own character. it dosent have any relations with the TOP fighters

Copy Vegeta has the exact power the original Vegeta has and he demolished SS3 Gotenks in base. Meaning that current base tier is stronger than the higher tiers of the Boo arc. So a lot of the ToP fighters (Like Obuni) who are in that base tier also demolish the higher tiers of the Boo arc quite easily.

It's not rocket science.

no they are not. gohan beat obuni pretty easly. the only ones stronger then buu are the love trio from universe 2. the rest are weaklings. base forms goku and vegeta have nothing to do with other universe fighter's powers.

[ZombieVito]

no they are not. gohan beat obuni pretty easly. the only ones stronger then buu are the love trio from universe 2. the rest are weaklings. base forms goku and vegeta have nothing to do with other universe fighter's powers.

Incorrect.

Obuni stalemated base Gohan.

Nink managed to hold base Goku and forced him to transform to break off.

Rubalt was actually overpowering Piccolo for a bit.

Cocotte fought very evenly with 18 and I'm sure all her teammates (With the exception of the big 3 of course) are around her level.

Those 3 U3 robots that later combine were giving base Goku, Vegeta and Gohan trouble by themselves.

Caulifla needed Super Saiyan to beat Napapa and Methiop.

Bergamo wasn't THAT far off from base Goku so he should be stronger than any Boo.

Considering Goku was using SS to fight Jimizu, he should be base tier at minimum.

There's lots of base tier fighters in the ToP.

[Shintoki]

no they are not. gohan beat obuni pretty easly. the only ones stronger then buu are the love trio from universe 2. the rest are weaklings. base forms goku and vegeta have nothing to do with other universe fighter's powers.

Incorrect.

Obuni stalemated base Gohan.

Nink managed to hold base Goku and forced him to transform to break off.

Rubalt was actually overpowering Piccolo for a bit.

Cocotte fought very evenly with 18 and I'm sure all her teammates (With the exception of the big 3 of course) are around her level.

Those 3 U3 robots that later combine were giving base Goku, Vegeta and Gohan trouble by themselves.

Caulifla needed Super Saiyan to beat Napapa and Methiop.

Bergamo wasn't THAT far off from base Goku so he should be stronger than any Boo.

Considering Goku was using SS to fight Jimizu, he should be base tier at minimum.

There's lots of base tier fighters in the ToP.

i love how this is a DBS scaling thread in disguise. lmao

[SelfTrainedNamekian]

no they are not. gohan beat obuni pretty easly. the only ones stronger then buu are the love trio from universe 2. the rest are weaklings. base forms goku and vegeta have nothing to do with other universe fighter's powers.

Incorrect.

Obuni stalemated base Gohan.

Nink managed to hold base Goku and forced him to transform to break off.

Rubalt was actually overpowering Piccolo for a bit.

Cocotte fought very evenly with 18 and I'm sure all her teammates (With the exception of the big 3 of course) are around her level.

Those 3 U3 robots that later combine were giving base Goku, Vegeta and Gohan trouble by themselves.

Caulifla needed Super Saiyan to beat Napapa and Methiop.

Bergamo wasn't THAT far off from base Goku so he should be stronger than any Boo.

Considering Goku was using SS to fight Jimizu, he should be base tier at minimum.

There's lots of base tier fighters in the ToP.

ok this is going for a while and i dident responded in detail to you because i dident had the time. lets get into the details now:

first of all. being stronger then either buu or cell isnt that much of an achievment by the time that the TOP takes place. so even if there are fighters stronger then buu i highly doubt it matters anyway because i was talking about being near, on par,or even stronger then god of desturction level which there are only 3 fighters on that level, goku,jiren and maybe even toppo or even if we stretch it a bit then maybe vegeta also. frieza and 17 getting close there but still not on those levels.

who's stronger then buu? certianly not universe 9 which aside from the trio of danger all of them were weaklings. yes goku and vegeta transformed against them but that dosent mean they had too. its more like they did it because toei love to use transformations all the time.

the Exhibition match proved that universe 7 itself is a the second weakest universe by mortal level after universe 9. all the strong guys are on earth. the sayians, buu, piccolo, etc.... that explain how frieza was such a terror. so that means that my question still stands as of how no other universe aside from 11 have abnormaly strong fighters. its obvious that it was done on pupose by toei to streatch the arc and to give spotlights to weaker fighters. but it dident had to be that way. we could have gotten intense fights from the very begining with strong characters like it was in the last section of the arc (episode 122-131 where only universe 7 and 11 left) but toei dident wanted that to make jiren stand out from the rest.

now if we talk about the Exhibition match. buu did had some trouble against basil but its more because thats how buu is, he isnt focused and he tend to goof around but eventually fat buu won pretty easily. and buu dident trained up until after that. all he does is just sleep. just remember that a big reason why the buu forms were so tough are because of his regeneration ability. lets just assume he dident had that ability, he was maimed like 10000 times in the buu arc. even dabura spear was able to pierce him.

gohan who was clearly not in his best was pretty even with lavender. that gohan was slacking for years after the buu arc. defenietly not on his mystic days power.

bergamo was the strongest of them and he couldent touch goku blue. again. i assume they used blue just because it sells. i dont think goku needed to go blue on him. hes not that powerful.

thats universe 9. the weakest universe. but that dosent mean its the only one.

universe 10 was pretty weak. the only fighter that was even close to strong was obuni and gohan still was able to beat him and gohan is not on his best days on super in general.

so universe 10 - weaklings. nobody in this universe could threaten anyone stronger then gohan

universe 4 - we are talking about 2 gimmick fighters. one invisible the other one is just a bug and this is their only thing. they are not strong at all. there is no way to know how weak they are because they are just gimmick fighters. then you have the canine one that thought krilin. weak, the 2 who fought roshi. the witch lady and then this ganon or whatever his name is that transformed into a bird. they were on roshi level. thats pretty weak to be picked to save your universe. it was intentional to justify why roshi,krilin,and tien are in the team. they had to make other fighters weak like them. i highly doubt any human character is even close to buu. even where they train consistintly. they are just not on those levels and would never be. those 2 from the sniper episode with tien. not very strong. again. using gimmicks instead of raw power because they aint got any.

whats left on universe 4 is monna which is probably the strongest they had. she gave trouble to cabba ssj which is pretty strong so there is that. but still, my thread is about god of destruction or near god of destruction level of power. abnormal power level which aside from 7 only universe 11 have fighters like that.

again maybe i'm forgetting some but they are too weak to even mention. there was this small character that used illusions. again. gimmick fighter.

for universes who are considerd to be strongest mortal level on general they pick really weak fighters.

btw you mentioned nink. he took goku by suprise but ok i get it. i dont think a strong fighter would be blown away so easly no matter if its blue or regular ssj. still. we are talking about god levels of power. hes nowhere close.

i do agree with you tho that goku and vegeta base forms are probably much stronger then buu levels. but again. that isnt something impressive in the TOP timeline. its like saying someone is stronger then vegeta in the Saiyan saga where you are in buu saga. not impressive.

universe 6, i already said they have the strongest fighters aside from 7 and 11. but still aside from hit nobody there close to god levels, i dont count kefla cause its a fusion. it seems to me that goku loved toying with kaulflia and kale. he could just eliminated them before they fused but he was having a good time.

so universe 3. their "ACE" narirama was defeated easly on the early episodes. their robots, they gave some trouble to 18 and 17 but not much. in the end 18 is not really close to top tier god levels anyway. yes, anilaza was strong but its a fused character. the kamen rider lookalike was pretty weak as well

my thread is about why no universe outside of 7, 11, or maybe even 6 have fighters who abnormally strong like jiren and goku are. i'm not talking about praising them because maybe they are stronger then buu. being stronger then buu in TOP timeline is not impressive at all.

again. its a decision made by toei to make jiren the main antagonist and make him shine because hes so much above the rest. but that dosent mean its a good decision. its one of the reasons that a lot of the TOP episodes are boring and bad. because there are no stakes.

so universe 2 is the only universe with fighters who come even close to goku and vegeta levels and its maybe only ribbrianne. roasie and kakunsa are fine i guess but ribrianne is maybe the only one who is actually even come close. but all the others? the yardrat? got pawned by first form frieza, the big guy? just a nobody. universe 2 was nothing but goofy comedy of a universe. aside from ribrianne nobdoy there is strong

so my opinion remains. if we sum up all the fighters who you can say are really abnormally strong it would be. goku,vegeta,toppo,frieza,17,hit,jiren. and maybe even dyspo because of his abnormal speed. thats only universes 7,11 and 6. so universes 10,3,4,9 and 2 are weak in general and serve as fodder until he get to episode 122 where there are actual stakes.

[Zephyr]

Maybe it's just me and because of what I am personally capable of, but I think being able to destroy even a moon or a planet is abnormally strong.

[Hugo Boss]

for universes who are considerd to be strongest mortal level on general they pick really weak fighters.

That’s because the mortal level isn’t solely defined by their strength level, but rather something more abstract like morale or civilization development. It’s implied it’s largely affected by how the gods manage their universes. For example, Universe 9 has such a low level because Sidra is too lenient, while Beerus is too lazy to do his job.

if we sum up all the fighters who you can say are really abnormally strong it would be. goku,vegeta,toppo,frieza,17,hit,jiren. and maybe even dyspo because of his abnormal speed. thats only universes 7,11 and 6.

Kale and Gohan were also shown to be strong and relevant. Kale, especially in her berserk form, showed incredible power that rivaled or surpassed Super Saiyan Blue at times. And though his exact standing compared to Super Saiyan Blue is up for debate, Gohan’s Ultimate form is highly competitive.

so universes 10,3,4,9 and 2 are weak in general and serve as fodder until he get to episode 122 where there are actual stakes.

Dragon Ball tournament arcs have always had a significant focus on showcasing a broad range of power levels, with gradually notable differences. Classic Dragon Ball focused more on skill and strategy, with a smaller gap between fighters, but the focus quickly shifted towards power levels, especially with the introduction of Super Saiyans. The Tournament of Power only followed by taking it to extreme. Still, the arc remained faithful to Dragon Ball’s tradition of giving unique abilities their moment to shine.