Dragon Ball Daima: Episode 1 - Official Discussion Thread

[M16U3L2015]

I have returned from my grave just to post my opinions about this thing:

- "No, no, no. Piccolo being retconned into an alien is not a retcon or an inconsistency or means he's suddenly an entire difference race, because you see, there's this entire cultural difference and meaning of the word "Demon" in Japan and surely Toriyama was thinking about that deeper meaning when conceptualizing Piccolo's new race and-" - "Uh, by the way guys, did you know Namekians are actually ancestors from the Demon Realm? "

I like it better that the Namekians are demons instead of Aliens, it gives more weight to the title of "Great Demon King Piccolo".

[nato25]

Not much happened, a lot of recap and set up.

Love the lore tidbits so far, I hope they go ham on them. I always wanted to know more about the Demon Realm.
New characters are fun.

In regards to possible contradictions with Super. I don't care and I hope the writing doesn't care as well. ´
It's more fun to explore new avenues than to be stuck on "canon" or arbitrary rules.

I'm the opposite to be honest, the building lore that's been ongoing is what makes this series so great and the world impactful. If we just start retconning everything it's going to lose a lot of meaning to me and really trigger my specific ocd on this! Super power scaling has already done a lot of damage.

Id love to poll the whole fanbase and see what they're thoughts on the continuity is.

It's the same with GT. Super didn't bother to mesh with it and as such they're completely isolated.
Daima might be isolated as well.

I don't think this was referenced as a prequel to Super, so I think the intent is there from the start.

GT is always going to be the oddball and daima is clearly trying to be within continuity and respect at least early super. They mentioned universe 7 which wasn't conceptualized until battle of gods. No way the intention is for it to be isolated.

If shin and kibito refuse at the end I guess we're ok, just will be weird they used the balls to unfuse instead of buu again.maybe he will be asleep lol

[AliTheZombie13]

I like it better that the Namekians are demons instead of Aliens, it gives more weight to the title of "Great Demon King Piccolo".

Me too. Glad that was course-corrected from alien slug people to demons again.

[ZombieVito]

GT is always going to be the oddball and daima is clearly trying to be within continuity and respect at least early super. They mentioned universe 7 which wasn't conceptualized until battle of gods. No way the intention is for it to be isolated.

If shin and kibito refuse at the end I guess we're ok, just will be weird they used the balls to unfuse instead of buu again.maybe he will be asleep lol

We are still left with Goku not knowing that Boo can defuse them.

And Kibitoshin staying fused for 4 years despite hating it.

[LightBing]

GT is always going to be the oddball and daima is clearly trying to be within continuity and respect at least early super. They mentioned universe 7 which wasn't conceptualized until battle of gods. No way the intention is for it to be isolated.

If shin and kibito refuse at the end I guess we're ok, just will be weird they used the balls to unfuse instead of buu again.maybe he will be asleep lol

They could be grabbing concepts from other series. That would be my ideal scenario.

Fish all the good stuff from Super and GT and mix it all up in a new and improved series.

[nato25]

GT is always going to be the oddball and daima is clearly trying to be within continuity and respect at least early super. They mentioned universe 7 which wasn't conceptualized until battle of gods. No way the intention is for it to be isolated.

If shin and kibito refuse at the end I guess we're ok, just will be weird they used the balls to unfuse instead of buu again.maybe he will be asleep lol

They could be grabbing concepts from other series. That would be my ideal scenario.

Fish all the good stuff from Super and GT and mix it all up in a new and improved series.

I guess it's possible they go that route and make super defunct as well. We will have to wait and see.

And yeah that's true about goku not knowing about buus defusion power. I don't mind so much just if they hate being fused, maybe they will need the power for a fight in daima.

[Dragon Ball Ireland]

Just done watching myself. I liked it, obviously as its a new installment of this long running franchise we do need to give it some benefit of the doubt.

Think the animation might be the best in the history of Dragon Ball, absolutely gorgeous and damn near flawless. I didn't mind the long recap if only for seeing how the Boo arc looked. I'd be all over it if we got a Dragon Ball remake in that style.

I'm glad the episode took some time to establish the new characters, set everything up, etc. The potara retcon is irksome, but hopefully when all is said and done it will make sense.

Kousuke Yamashita's score sounded good. Feels modern without trying too hard.

Interested in where this will go.

[AliTheZombie13]

I wonder if the entire "The Dragon Balls were actually created by some dragon god thing" plot point is still valid now that we have yet another progenitor of the Dragon Balls. Another point against Daima being connected to Super.

"Hey... I know! The characters are too powerful! Let's wish them into kids to nerf them. then we'll defeat them for sure!"
Now where have I seen that before...

Honestly, I'll be following my original rule for anything DB related:
If it's not the original manga, it's a separate continuity. Anything else is asking for a headache.

[supersaiyamangod]

I wonder if the entire "The Dragon Balls were actually created by some dragon god thing" plot point is still valid now that we have yet another progenitor of the Dragon Balls. Another point against Daima being connected to Super.

"Hey... I know! The characters are too powerful! Let's wish them into kids to nerf them. then we'll defeat them for sure!"
Now where have I seen that before...

Honestly, I'll be following my original rule for anything DB related:
If it's not the original manga, it's a separate continuity. Anything else is asking for a headache.

This is written by toriyama so i don’t know what to think.

[JulieYBM]

I just wouldn't worry about the minute details. The pointed reference to the Seventh Universe being mentioned is proof enough that DAIMA isn't trying to wholesale ignore Dragon Ball Super, especially since both were being worked on at the same time.

[Dragon Ball Ireland]

I wonder if the entire "The Dragon Balls were actually created by some dragon god thing" plot point is still valid now that we have yet another progenitor of the Dragon Balls. Another point against Daima being connected to Super.

"Hey... I know! The characters are too powerful! Let's wish them into kids to nerf them. then we'll defeat them for sure!"
Now where have I seen that before...

Honestly, I'll be following my original rule for anything DB related:
If it's not the original manga, it's a separate continuity. Anything else is asking for a headache.

This is written by toriyama so i don’t know what to think.

Just thought perhaps the reason for the flip flopping potara thing was because Kibitoshin being able to defuse inside Boo was Toriyama's idea. He could have easily forgotten about the time limit explanation in Super.

Still begs the question why did Supreme Kai and Kibito refuse (although I guess they'll need to for a fight) or need to use the Dragon Balls to defuse again in the first place.

[Hellspawn28]

The retcons are something that I didn't see coming. I guess Nameks in U6 & U7 are both from the demon relam. They probably went to U6 first then U7 later.

[ZombieVito]

I wonder if the entire "The Dragon Balls were actually created by some dragon god thing" plot point is still valid now that we have yet another progenitor of the Dragon Balls. Another point against Daima being connected to Super.

"Hey... I know! The characters are too powerful! Let's wish them into kids to nerf them. then we'll defeat them for sure!"
Now where have I seen that before...

Honestly, I'll be following my original rule for anything DB related:
If it's not the original manga, it's a separate continuity. Anything else is asking for a headache.

This is written by toriyama so i don’t know what to think.

Just thought perhaps the reason for the flip flopping potara thing was because Kibitoshin being able to defuse inside Boo was Toriyama's idea. He could have easily forgotten about the time limit explanation in Super.

Still begs the question why did Supreme Kai and Kibito refuse (although I guess they'll need to for a fight) or need to use the Dragon Balls to defuse again in the first place.

I guess Goku simply forgot about the Boo thing and before Shin could say anything Gowasu explained the 1 hour thing. Kibitoshin will likely play a major role in the final battle so he decides to stay fused in case they need his power but after they get SSG and SSB he realizes that they don't need him anymore and chooses to defuse but Boo is asleep so they used the Namekian DBs. Yeah that's going to be how I explain it.

DBS manga is fucked because Shin doesn't know for sure the gas unfused them. Just can't explain these plotholes away.

[JulieYBM]

I forgot to mention this, but I thought it was really interesting how this episode almost felt like it could be an alternate Dragon Ball Z Episode #289, barring the different music composer. In terms of the script, it certainly felt like it was being written as if the series had just aired the defeat of Majin Buu the previous week. I thought that that was a nice touch and certainly hit harder than Dragon Ball Super Episode #1, although at least then the Super takes place six years after the defeat of Majin Buu lol.

[Grimlock]

It's very clear that Toriyama greatly regreted fusing Kaioshin of East and Kibito, and now we are left to pick up the pieces. In retrospect, I'm surprised they remained fused in Movie 14, if nothing else.

I'm not sure what to think about Kaioshin of East having siblings. They might as well rename the franchise as "Dragon Siblings". Anyone who is anyone in Dragon Ball has a sibling and it is kind of weird. Hopefully this gets elaborated more, but I'm just hoping it doesn't mean they are actually family. Just that Shinjins refer to each other as "siblings" because they are born from the same tree.

I was correct, Dabura's father is mentioned, Abura. Now we if could get a mention to a certain sister as well...!

Cool that they clarified the whole "Namekuseijins come from another place" thing from the Dragon Ball Super manga, now we know that other place is the Demon Realm. So anyone who has pointy ears come from that place? So Popo and Kibito are from Demon Realm as well?


A really great start and first episode! Imagine if this was the series we had got in 2015...

[Luso Saiyan]

I liked it, and I can't wait to see more.

A small detail, but I like that they are finally being consistent with using the manga colors for virtually everything. Took them long enough.

[M16U3L2015]

It's still weird for me to see Krilin's eyes properly colored, I like they use the hairstyle he had in Buu's saga.

[ZombieVito]

It's very clear that Toriyama greatly regreted fusing Kaioshin of East and Kibito, and now we are left to pick up the pieces. In retrospect, I'm surprised they remained fused in Movie 14, if nothing else.

I'm not sure what to think about Kaioshin of East having siblings. They might as well rename the franchise as "Dragon Siblings". Anyone who is anyone in Dragon Ball has a sibling and it is kind of weird. Hopefully this gets elaborated more, but I'm just hoping it doesn't mean they are actually family. Just that Shinjins refer to each other as "siblings" because they are born from the same tree.

I was correct, Dabura's father is mentioned, Abura. Now we if could get a mention to a certain sister as well...!

Cool that they clarified the whole "Namekuseijins come from another place" thing from the Dragon Ball Super manga, now we know that other place is the Demon Realm. So anyone who has pointy ears come from that place? So Popo and Kibito are from Demon Realm as well?


A really great start and first episode! Imagine if this was the series we had got in 2015...

All Kais are siblings. They all come from the same tree.

[PerhapsTheOtherOne]

You know, with Namekians being originally Demons (presumably, they became mortals over time due to successive generations living in the mortal universes) with one of the key points being their pointy ears...... what does that make Mr. Popo?

Is he also a demon?

Also, as an aside, Dr. Arinsu was quite, uhhhh...... "showy".

[Catsenti]

So...um...are we ignoring some events of Super? Because nobody seems to reference Super or its events in any capacity. It might be that they haven't gotten around to it yet, but it's a strange possibility. We're at least ignoring Super Hero right?