Dragon Ball Daima: Episode 1 - Official Discussion Thread

[DBFanGuy]

Is daima canon or alternate story like the movies?

[MisteryOne]

As much as I love the new lore and how it tied with the Granolah arc, I'm baffled by the recap. Surely it wouldn't be needed if the 40th anniversary project was not ignoring 10 years worth of content for no reason so they need to recontextualize where the series is even placed.

No comment on the Potara retcon. That should say everything about how they actually care about continuity, it isn't surprising of you knew about some of the leaks. If Kaioshin it's half as entertwining here as he was in the manga Zamasu arc, he will be a nice companion.

I guess it still kept my interest more than Super's first episode but that isn't a high standard, not do I think the excuse of younger audiences works when Super Hero, a *movie*, proved how easily you can make a short single recap unlike here. The audience really didn't need anything more than "Dabura was the king of the realm and he got killed on this Buu conflict".

Still, it looked nice. I love the colors and settings. And I wanted lore, I got it, even if it wasn't handled that well. It has lots of interesting implications going forward, specially relating to the nature of the villains. I can't say I didn't love it, but I understand and agree with most of the criticisms.

Ah okay so does that mean Piccolo and the namekians arent demons but just a race from that realm?

Piccolo father was literally called Demon King Piccolo. What Daima seems to be doing now is confirming that all Namekians are indeed demons and not just King Piccolo and his subordinates.

As for other characters like Tapion and Monaka, only because they have pointed ears, doesn't mean they are demons

Ah okay that’s a bummer. And Daima is canon right? I loved the alien origin.

They are still not from Earth, the Demon Realm is akin to the Kaioshin one. It's a different realm alrogether, as said in the Granolah arc.

Ah okay so does that mean Piccolo and the namekians arent demons but just a race from that realm?

Piccolo father was literally called Demon King Piccolo. What Daima seems to be doing now is confirming that all Namekians are indeed demons and not just King Piccolo and his subordinates.

As for other characters like Tapion and Monaka, only because they have pointed ears, doesn't mean they are demons

Piccolo Daimao was never called a Majin or a resident of Demon Realm, he was a Mazakou. I can't believe we are still mixing the terms up in 2024.

Being a demon in the sense he and his children was is not the dame as being from the Demon realm like Dabura. Piccolo Jr could still be considered one even after the alien origin reveals. The had a whole set of different characteristics as the people they killed not going to the afterlife, which obviously is not a thing for all Namekians (as shown by Piccolo himself in the Saiyan arc), so let's not spread misinformation now. Not all residents of Demon realm are Mazakous. And you can be both *insert race here* and a Mazakou.

[DBFanGuy]

As much as I love the new lore and how it tied with the Granolah arc, I'm baffled by the recap. Surely it wouldn't be needed if the 40th anniversary project was not ignoring 10 years worth of content for no reason so they need to recontextualize where the series is even placed.

No comment on the Potara retcon. That should say everything about how they actually care about continuity, it isn't surprising of you knew about some of the leaks. If Kaioshin it's half as entertwining here as he was in the manga Zamasu arc, he will be a nice companion.

I guess it still kept my interest more than Super's first episode but that isn't a high standard, not do I think the excuse of younger audiences works when Super Hero, a *movie*, proved how easily you can make a short single recap unlike here. The audience really didn't need anything more than "Dabura was the king of the realm and he got killed on this Buu conflict".

Still, it looked nice. I love the colors and settings. And I wanted lore, I got it, even if it wasn't handled that well. It has lots of interesting implications going forward, specially relating to the nature of the villains.

Piccolo father was literally called Demon King Piccolo. What Daima seems to be doing now is confirming that all Namekians are indeed demons and not just King Piccolo and his subordinates.

As for other characters like Tapion and Monaka, only because they have pointed ears, doesn't mean they are demons

Ah okay that’s a bummer. And Daima is canon right? I loved the alien origin.

They are still not from Earth, the Demon Realm is akin to the Kaioshin one. It's a different realm alrogether, as said in the Granolah arc.

Ah okay so does that mean Piccolo and the namekians arent demons but just a race from that realm?

Piccolo father was literally called Demon King Piccolo. What Daima seems to be doing now is confirming that all Namekians are indeed demons and not just King Piccolo and his subordinates.

As for other characters like Tapion and Monaka, only because they have pointed ears, doesn't mean they are demons

Piccolo Daimao was never called a Majin or a resident of Demon Realm, he was a Mazakou. I can't believe we are still mixing the terms up in 2024.

Being a demon in the sense he and his children was is not the dame as being from the Demon realm like Dabura. Piccolo Jr could still be considered one even after the alien origin reveals. The had a whole set of different characteristics as the people they killed not going to the afterlife, which obviously is not a thing for all Namekians (as shown by Piccolo himself in the Saiyan arc), so let's not spread misinformation now. Not all residents of Demon realm are Mazakous. And you can be both *insert race here* and a Mazakou.

So basically there are other species living in the demon realm that aren’t demons? And the Namekians could fall under that category? Do you know if daima is canon or treated like the z movies?

[MisteryOne]

So basically there are other species living in the demon realm that aren’t demons? And the Namekians could fall under that category? Do you know if daima is canon or treated like the z movies?

It depends on what you consider demons. As far as I'm aware there isn't another translation for "demon realm person" so you could say they are all demons or from the Demon Realm. But just like Shin's brother is a Kaioshin but is still there, Namekians are simply a race of the Demon Realm as you say. The "demon clan" of Piccolo Daimao was another thing entirely.

If you ask my personal opinion, yes, Daima is "canon" as they have said they have plans for it to tie into Super. And it mentions Super things like Universe 7. It just has contradictions and seemingly retcons, but that also happened with Super when regarding EoZ/ Uub and people still considered it canon.

But I doubt we are getting any hard confirmation until/if Daima's events are actually tied into Super. For what is worth, the Granolah arc already introduced the idea of Namekians being from another realm a couple of years ago. But if you are asking for official confirmation, there is none yet.

[FortuneSSJ]

Looking to the episode structure, I can see this was initially planned for streaming format and not TV. If it was originally planned for TV. the episode would be more alike the ones from previous TV Series: normal length, different title screen with narrator saying the title, opening / ending song. proper eyecatches and next episode preview.

We wouldn't also have to wait 20 minutes for Goku and the others to appear, because that would mean they would only appear in the second episode. The staff would be forced to change things aroud.

And speaking about changes, this scene from the trailer didn't make it:

Or they will use it in the beginning of episode 2.

[TechExpert2021]

Looking to the episode structure, I can see this was initially planned for streaming format and not TV. If it was originally planned for TV. the episode would be more alike the ones from previous TV Series: normal length, different title screen with narrator saying the title, opening / ending song. proper eyecatches and next episode preview.

We wouldn't also have to wait 20 minutes for Goku and the others to appear, because that would mean they would only appear in the second episode. The staff would be forced to change things around.

I think DB Daima follows the modern anime episode structure formula instead of the classic DB anime episode structure formula, regardless of which medium it is distributed (on traditional broadcast TV or streaming).

[MisteryOne]

I wouldn't put too much thought into an extended special episode. They extended it so they could fully get viewers up to speed and infodump the many lore revelations. As far as I'm aware, it's still a single episode, no a special that will later be converted into two episodes like what happened wirh Jiren vs Goku.

[Rafa Fast]

What the...fuck did I just see here XD? I couldn't even post yesterday because I was so and I'm still so confused by what I saw (and spent a lot of time reading people's thoughts too), don't get me wrong, I loved it, it was very enjoyable for me, definitely want to see more, but the episode was too much for me, too much information for my little brain to process (I warned in my previous post that I wasn't prepared for this series), I have a lot to say, first, I want to comment on the new material, the "retcons", etc

About the long introduction with the villains and the recap of Boo Saga, I didn't see anyone here pointing that out, but basically Daima here is simply following the formula of the Revivel era of the franchise, since 2013 they always start each individual story focusing in the introduction of the villains, at least most of them, we only get to see the main cast after the villains are properly introduced, we already know the main cast, so they want to spend most the first minutes showing the new characters.

Spoiler:

-I know Battle of Gods doesn't exactly start with Beerus and Whis, but let's remember that this was the first story in the new era of franchise, so they had to show Goku first and characters that we are already familiar with, but then they jump straight to Beerus' Planet.
-Fukkatsu no 'F' starts with Freeza in Hell, then Tagoma and Sorube interrupt Pilaf Gang's hunt for DBs, summon Shenlong, revive Freeza, Freeza is introduced and tells what he wants to do while he's very far in space.
-Black Saga starts in a completely different timeline with Trunks but then we have Black coming to attack, he's introduced and tells what he wants to do, though makes a lot of mystery.
-Broly Movie starts in the past in a different planet with lots of characters we aren't going to see for the rest of the movie, Freeza and Paragus are the villains introduced and they tell what they want to do.
-Moro Saga starts with Dai Kaioshin's conflict with the main villain, years ago.
-Super Hero is probably the closest we have to Daima here, starts with a recap of the Red Ribbon and Androids Saga, then we have the relatively long introduction with Carmine, Magenta and Hedo, explaining what they want to do.

Granolah and The Two Tournaments would be the exceptions, though the beginning of Granolah saga is weird as it starts with the ending of previous saga, so the beginning should really be with the introduction to the new characters.

So that long scene presenting us to the villains didn't bother me, if I am interested by them, then I want to see them, but I understand those who thought that it wasn't necessary for it to be so long and so expository, Indeed I think parts of their plans and introduction to some concepts could've been saved for impactful reveals in future episodes, with visuals and all, not just talk (what the hell is that Third Eye shit?), hardcore fans like us will already know that Kaioshins are technically all siblings, but "casual watchers" could be surprised by the reveal of Degesu being East Kaioshin's brother, the way it was done made the episode too long, could've been the usual 25 minutes in my opinion, with their part shortened, of course.
The Recap part though for me was done because of the reason that everyone here already mentioned, casual viewer and fan who can feel a bit lost about what's going, a lot of things happen in Boo Saga after all, and of course, fanservice and nostalgia, specially for those who loved the intro for Super Hero with the Kubota style, this was amazing, I complained that I wouldn't like for Daima to play safe and focus on these things, but in this case, for me it's fair to do it.

Now regarding the other things and my questions:

• When they showed more of Gomah in the trailers I felt that he was going to be Pilaf 2.0, and I was correct, though I like that he has a more "serious" side, unlike Pilaf who was a complete gag villain, so that makes the character more interesting in my opinion, I wonder if he can actually fight? I know that maybe I can say "yes" for Degesu, he seemed to be skilled when attacking Dende. Now Gomah? I really wonder what he can do, because in case he can't fight or do anything impressive, then going from a Ruler/King that was Dabura, who was SSJ2 level, to this little guy may be very negative for the Makai people, I think that we can maybe expect a betrayal here, either from Degesu, Arinsu, or someone else, I don't see the Makaijins accepting such a weakling rulling over them, at least not easily, also, remember my comparison between Degesu & Gomah and Commander Red & Officer Black, we know what happened to Red, though, Gomah and Degesu seem to be much more friendly with each other, but we can't expect.

• I completely forgot that the Granolah Saga already hinted on the Namekujins not originating from Namekusei, I really liked the re-retcon, not only reconsiders the original concept of Piccolo Daimao, but it also strengthens the concept of those who are killed by the Mazoku having their souls not sent to the Other World, it makes the spiritual connection of Makai with the cosmos. I don't think this straight makes them not "aliens" anymore, I mean, I think anyone who's not a earthling is considered a alien by the main cast's view, right? Or there is necessarily a in-universe difference of "space people/people/mortals from other planets" and "interdimensional beings"? It can be the latter, but are these Makai figures in the episode considered as non-mortals? I can't remember it, they seem to be "supernatural" enough for me though.

• I don't think it's a rule that every single being with pointy ears has to be a inhabitant from the worlds of Makai, that would be too much, I don't know, do you guys really think that people like Dodoria and The Hiita, etc, are originated or descendents from Makai? I'm not so sure about it, I would say that those who can use magical powers are the ones who can be from Makai, so that makes someone lke Moro a Makaijin I think? Also, maybe the Yardrats? I say this because they teach the Shunkan Ido, and Shunkan Ido could be a ("weaker"?) variation of the Kai Kai technique, and we know that the Kai Kai is not a mortal/non-interdimensional technique, I could be wrong though, also, some beings don't have pointy ears and use magic...so, what are Uranai Baba, Babidi, Bibidi...? (Speaking of Uranai Baba using magic, why she has such a strong connection with the Spiritual world?? Hmmm)

• Don't know what to feel about the Potara thing, honestly? For me both explanations can coexist, but there are still the problems like Goku forgetting about Kibito and East Kaioshin unfusing, or them using Shenlong to unfuse, but you can easily imagine excuses for these, now, how are they goung to explain Kibitoshin in Super? People here already said that the only way is if by the end of the show, they decide to fuse again because it will be important...but what if they don't?

• Glad that they kept the concept of the other universes, though I don't think that there is just one Makai/3 Makais for the entire multiverse, I think Gomah and the other two can chose to travel to other Universes because that's simply a Makai thing? I mean, correct me if I'm wrong, but just as I said previously, divine or interdimensional beings can travel between universes as they want, no? Zamasu went from Universe 10 to Universe 7 with no problem if I recall correctly, and he wasn't a completely formed Kaioshin just like Degesu. The difference is that Goma, Degesu and Neva had to use a ship and go through those giant fish, which makes sense for me, apparently each one have their own way to do that, Beerus and Whis had to use the "Cube" ship to go to Universe 6.

• Gomah and Degesu seemed surprised when seeing that Earth's DBs can grant 3 wishes, but they know about the Namekusei's DBs, they don't know that Porunga can grant 3 wishes too? Was their reaction just because they weren't expecting for Earth's DBs to grant 3 wishes as well, or that was just Toriyama forgetting stuff again?

• Random thought, but maybe fish has something to do with the supernatural worlds and its beings? There is the Yogen-gyo and now these fish that are used as a teleporter from Makai to Mortal/Outside World, not sure if that is meant to be a thing?

• Didn't quite get what Arinsu wants, all I understood is that Dabura apparently helped her and that she is doing some research, what is it? Is that mentioned somewhere else?

• I really like to see chibi version of characters, so I bet I'll enjoy the characters being little, but I think I have to agree with those who said that there was no reason for this to happen, was de-aging the characters really necessary in order to make them weaker/less dangerous? Shenlong really can't make that while still keeping them with the same age, I don't know, I don't mind Gomah deciding to bother the main cast for a stupid reason (if there is a more legit concern for him to do that, then I missed it), but I really think there should be a better reason for Gomah to think that de-aging them was the only way to solve his problem, now this definitely feels like that it was done solely because it's the franchise 40th anniversary so Toriyama wanted to make a callback to the early stories, which is something I suspected months ago, so I'm definitely not surprised, but for now, I can give reason to those who disliked the idea, the justification is weak, unless they give a better one in future episodes

• Speaking of the previous element, the way how Gomah's wish worked is where logic went to die, first, for months, they made us think that the characters were only going to be diminished by calling them "Mini", and not de-aged (though we had characters like Goten and Trunks clearly breaking that rule), but now they area indeed de-aged, but not only that, they specificy a age for it? Wtf? I mean, maybe it makes sense for 6 year old Goku to look exactly like 12-15 year old Goku (though I think Gohan looked much older when he was 13), but now using Earthling Age system for Piccolo, Majin Boo, Kibito and the Kaioshin??? What?? Were the latter 3 ever kids to begin with? How that functionality aply to these beings? Wasn't Piccolo already big when he was 6? Or maybe what Shenlong did was actually using Earthlings' age logic as a reference for the appearance of the characters, so everyone become little because that's how earthlings look like at their 6's? But if that's the case, then why they lose their powers? Maybe I'm overthinking it and in the end it that wasn't made to make sense at all.

• "White Magic"? "Good" wishes? What the...?????? Hm??? Can someone?

• Why couldn't Gomah and the others make their wish through the Makai's DBs? Was it really solely because of the Tamagamis protecting them? Couldn't Neva do something about it? Or their functionality is different? And why there are only 3 of them? I have the feeling that maybe a set of DBs having more balls makes their wishes less limited, so maybe the Makai's DBs only being 3 make them limited and unable to grant a wish that make such powerful beings to become weaker, that's why they choose the Earth's DBs to do the job, I think? (And what about the Super DBs? haha)

• Goku and Vegeta training with each other? Isn't that a thing that just started in Fukkatsu no 'F'? In Kami to Kami we learn that they train alone as far as I remember, but maybe that could be just a random spar that they decided to do because they were at the same place, so they didn't want to waste the opportunity?

Other minor things

• Love the visuals and animation, the Boo Saga recap looks just exactly like the Super Hero opening, everything looks beautiful, very flown and high quality, everyone did a awesome job here, but I'm really not a fan of Goku and Vegeta's skin color, nothing against darker skin tone, but all Saiyajins sharing the same skin tone just feels off to me, and we saw multiple times that it's not that consistent. Still not a fan of the use of CGI, still looks off when mixed with 2D for me, maybe the 1st fish looked good, but Shenlong apparently is reused from Super Hero.

• Like Goku's new gi, though I definitely prefer the multiple gis he used from Majunior Saga to the Boo Saga, but I like the idea of giving the characters a different design in each story, I would like a explanation for it of course, but it's not necessary at all, I don't recall them giving a explanation for him ditching his gi with his kanji and strip in Android Saga or ditching the Whis gi in Black Saga either. I'm curious if in the end he'll switch to his Kami to Kami gi though.

• There is a clear insistence on making post-Boo saga Vegeta use his Cell Saga armor again, I wonder if that is because of the Tarble OVA?

• voice acting sounds awesome and Nozawa for me still sounds very good, but we only heard adult Goku in this episode (and Adult Gohan), we don't know how her Kid Goku is going to be like

• The main theme song sounds really good, though the style is not a personal favorite, still prefer the style of the other series' openings, and I wonder if there will be a credits song? And I don't know what to think about Yamashita's score, the track used during Goku and Vegeta's battle was interesting as it's clearly based on the theme song, so that was exciting, but no strong emotions regarding the rest, I think it's too early to say something more about it, so I prefer to wait. All I can say is that this pretty much confirms that Sumitomo's era indeed ended, Sato being the composer for Super Hero wasn't just a temporary thing as I thought, I'm honestly disappointed because I really wanted Sumitomo to return, but at least I can say that DBS Broly was a perfect ending for his run in the franchise, I'll see what Yamashita can deliver.

Anyway, regarding Super, I love Super so I really wish the stories told in the last decade and the new characters and concepts presented won't be wasted, though, I do think that the best for Daima would be to not limit itself because of Super, Super already had the problem of being a midquel and having to limit itself in order to respect End of Z and not contradicting it, we saw the results and in the end it's still going to have contradictions.
So far, I don't think Daima discards Super, there are weird things here and there, but I think it's still too soon to say that this can't be canon to Super (and its 3 versions, haha), I prefer to wait, the Multiverse being a thing specially gave me hopes, but I do have a strong feeling that the chances that this story wants to be its own thing and a alternate/new follow up to the Boo Saga are high, it will certainly benefit Daima's story if that happens, as it won't need to force itself to not contradict two stories, but just one (EoZ, or maybe it's going to discard EoZ too???).
I'm not one who's going to be pissed off if the show ends up ignoring Super, I'll accept it if that happens and I won't feel angry or betrayed or anything, but underwhelmed at best, because for me both stories could very well be connected and work together (and they still can, again, let's not jump to any conclusions while still it's too soon).

Super is a huge success, too popular, if Daima ends up discarding it, I doubt that Toyotaro, Shueisha and Toei won't try to continue with it and all that it has delivered so far, specially the Transformations, they will either try to continue both series, or just one of them, and this one series I bet it will be Super.

Anyway, now, this first episode, just felt off for me, I really enjoyed it, but it's also so unusual, very odd, like Super Hero, but in the case of that movie, it was mostly because of its production and artistic choices, like the CGI animation and the lack of a vocal theme song. Daima for me feels weird to me by its very nature.

• No regular opening animation and the credits are just generic looking with the main theme playing, though I understand that this is something that some animes are doing nowadays, the Sand Land anime 1st episode did the same thing If I remember correctly.

• 30 minutes length

• no next episode preview with the exception of a few frames showing Glorio that were already present in the trailer

• Titlecard is completely different, no DBs surrounding the episode title, episode title is just one word, completely silent

• Despite following the formula of introducing us to new stories just like Super does since 2013, the way it's done here just feels very different, with a recap of what happened in DB and Z without giving any strong detail about what happens in each saga, with the exception of Boo Saga. Main cast takes 20 minutes to actually show up on screen.

I really wanted for the series to do this, be more original and creative, but the way it's done here I just wasn't expecting for it, feels almost scary for me, despite being a huge fan, I'm not only super unfamiliar to all of this, but I also somehow feel unfamiliar to the main cast/recurring characters despite rewatching/reading them multiple times, it's so odd, this didn't happen with Super or GT, DB never made me have this feeling before, while I understand all the "rules" and references, at the time same time I felt that I'm a amateur or someone who's not familiar enough with the franchise, maybe Super has gotten me too used to seeing the series not daring much, so when Daima goes all out, i end up feeling weird, but I think it's different, DB, Z, GT and Super all feel to belong to the same "box" for me, Daima is something else, I felt like watching a OVA, spin off or special show that was never planned to leave Japan, it's really weird to explain it, and this is in no way a critcism or something I said to diminish the series, It's just how I felt watching it, yeah I know it could be because it's a new series that I didn't rewatch multiple times, so I might get used to it later on, but I don't know, maybe it's a feeling unique to me as I didn't see anyone else sharing a minimally similar feeling here, I'll see if I'll continue with the same feeling in the next episodes, for now, I'll say that it gives me "Heroes" vibes, which is not a negative thing for me because the good thing here is that Daima for me so far seems to be well written, with a good presentation of world and characters, unlike Heroes, which for me is just not Dragon Ball at all, Daima for me is Dragon Ball, though a part of me wants to tell me that it wants to be something else too, so this is just the weirdest Official Dragon Ball i've seen so far in these 15 years, and I don't know if that is a bad or a good sign, hope it's the latter, it was a great weird first episode for me at least.

Regardless of it, I trust the show's potential and I hope it'll be a success, though I don't think it'll beat or even rival Super's popularity, but the way it is already good enough and I'm glad Weekly Animated Dragon Ball is back, even if the series is already completed with a planned episode count, I think Toriyama has a surprise, great time to be alive : )

[jjgp1112]

Wait now that I recall, Vegetto never appeared in the Super manga right? So I guess Toriyama is just ignoring the anime, as usual lol.

[Rafa Fast]

Wait now that I recall, Vegetto never appeared in the Super manga right? So I guess Toriyama is just ignoring the anime, as usual lol.

No, he's in both anime and manga and his appearance in the manga is the sole reason for the most "logical/best" explanation that Super tries to give for the defusion.

[mecha3000]

So cool that these discussion threads are going to be active again! Ah, the joy of having a new series running. Anyway, I LOVED the first episode and think if it keeps up like this, it'll be WAY better than Super. So far, Daima is more in line with what I wanted from a DBZ sequel series when I was a kid. And when I got Super, it didn't really scratch that itch. And Super has a lot of problems I don't care for so it's nice to know Daima might be its own canon following Z that doesn't have controversial "Trunks' future gets destroyed by Zeno" or "tingly back feeling" moments.

Also, the Potara thing just confirmed that Super probably won't at all be canon to Daima. People keep saying Shin and Kibito might re-fuse, but what's the point? That's needlessly redundant. I say just let Super and Daima be different versions of sequels and don't stress too much about the continuity. And as much as I've grown to like Beerus and Whis, I like that this series might not even reference all that Omni-King, gods, and universes bs. I feel like Dragon Ball needs to go back to basics, to the original manga, and from the literal manga reanimation moments, they're doing just that. Super Saiyan needs to feel like it matters again. The Power Pole needs to feel like it matters again. I'm glad we're getting both in a combination of Dragon Ball and Dragon Ball Z.

Another thing, from what I've seen on YouTube and Twitter/X, people are losing their minds over Super no longer being canon to this. And I LOVE it. For years, GT (which I know is flawed, but has great moments) was always the non-canon black sheep of the franchise that everyone wanted to ignore. And I grew up on and appreciate GT so it sucked to see it overly panned like that. Well, Super fans, welcome to the world of GT fans. And before anyone says anything, I know Toriyama didn't work on GT outside of designs as much as he did for Super.

[AliTheZombie13]

Something I forgot to point out here. It feels like just days ago, I have seen people complain in the General Discussion's Unpopular Opinions thread against people like me, who don't go out of their way to defend every bit of logical lapse in Toriyama's storytelling, and I quote, "Now I see that fans demanding Toriyama to have given Dragon Ball more consistency and logic is just really people wanting Dragon Ball to be over-explained drivel filled with pointless flashbacks instead of connecting the dots on their own."

Well, I can't speak for other people, but this episode definitely felt like over-explained drivel filled with pointless flashbacks that didn't let me connect the dots on my own. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[Rafa Fast]

Also, the Potara thing just confirmed that Super probably won't at all be canon to Daima.

Nope, the explanation given by East Kaioshin and the explanation given by Gowasu can both coexist, what is said in Daima is that the Boo's gas thing can unmake the potara fusion, and that this was the reason for Vegetto defusing, in Super it's said that fusion isn't eternal for mortals, yeah you can say that only Super did a retcon and that Daima didn't because in Boo Saga it's said that fusion is eternal, but Dragon Ball is full of retcons, and they could very well think about excuses for it, specially for Goku forgetting about such explanation and Kibitoshin defusing through Shenlong (or Porunga, can't remember), what would be truly contradictory to Super would be Kibitoshin not returning in the end of Daima, that's something we still have to see.

People keep saying Shin and Kibito might re-fuse, but what's the point? That's needlessly redundant. I say just let Super and Daima be different versions of sequels and don't stress too much about the continuity.

The point is that Daima so far apparently want us to believe that this story is canon to Super, by using the Multiverse concept and expanding on another concept introduced in the Granolah Saga, if you think that Daima should be separate from Super because you hate Super or something else, it's fine, but I don't think it makes sense for you to tell us to "just let Super and Daima be different sequels and don't worry too much about the continuity" when Daima itself (for now) wants us to think the opposite, I know it's just one episode, but it was already enough to make me deduce that this wants to say either that "I'm canon to Super" or "for now, ambiguous".
That is missing the point of how fandoms work, do you know what was the whole point for people to keep finding contradictions between Super and EoZ? Because Super considers itself as a midquel that is going to respect the EoZ, that would be the same thing as saying "just let Super be its own diifferent sequel to Boo Saga and don't stress too much about it being contradictory or accurate to EoZ", when the series itself wants us to think the opposite, if people are talking about continuity, it's because there was a reason for it, that's why there are so many people saying that Kibitoshin might unfuse in the end.
I would've agreed with what you said if Daima already made it clear that it's not canon to Super (or if it was officially confirmed too), this is what that would make the discussions about its continuity with Super truly redundant, as people would be trying to fix/make a connection about something that doesn't exist, but that's definitely not the case here, at least not for this first episode, Daima implied a connection with Super, that's why me and other fans are discussing it.

"I like that this series might not even reference all that Omni-King, gods, and universes bs."

Daima already referenced the "universes bullshit".

Another thing, from what I've seen on YouTube and Twitter/X, people are losing their minds over Super no longer being canon to this. And I LOVE it. For years, GT (which I know is flawed, but has great moments) was always the non-canon black sheep of the franchise that everyone wanted to ignore. And I grew up on and appreciate GT so it sucked to see it overly panned like that. Well, Super fans, welcome to the world of GT fans. And before anyone says anything, I know Toriyama didn't work on GT outside of designs as much as he did for Super.

Well, sorry, I highly apologize to disturb your fun, but you're loving something that doesn't exist, there are fans "losing their minds" for different reasons, two of them are people who believe that Super will remain canon but want to see Daima being canon to its continuity (like me), and people who believe that Daima confirmed that Super is not canon, which makes absolutely no sense as that wasn't said anywhere, I already said above how episode 1 implies connections with Super.

And even if this episode proved that Daima isn't connected to Super, I still don't understand how this would confirm that Super isn't canon, Daima can be disconnected from Super but still not be the "canon" follow up to the Boo Saga, this still could very well be just a show made to celebrate the 40th anniversary, and not to be seem as a "true sequel" like Super, but rather its own little story, also, let's remember that Super will officially continue, it didn't end in order to open doors for a new series, Super is not going through the same situation as GT, the Super fans you're referring to are jumping to conclusions too fast without real evidence.
I really didn't quite get your excitement.

[Dragon Ball Ireland]

Is daima canon or alternate story like the movies?

It's neither, the Japanese don't care about canon and are only concerned about making a show that will sell toys and merch. Aside from Toriyama's original manga as printed in Shonen Jump between 1984 and 1995 everything else (including Super and the movies since Battle of Gods) has been the equivalent of DLC, its supplementary material.

[AliTheZombie13]

Dragon Ball now has like 8 different alternate futures (GT, Daima, Super - Anime, Super - Manga, Super - Movies, Heroes, Xenoverse, Online). And that's not even counting the original DB/Z anime/manga deviations and extra material like Bardock, the Trunks special and the Z movies.

I mean, it's useful to know what connects where, but discussing whether any of these is the TRUE UNIVERSE is pointless, the reality is that none of them are. Just enjoy the stories.

[Rafa Fast]

Dragon Ball now has like 8 different alternate futures (GT, Daima, Super - Anime, Super - Manga, Super - Movies, Heroes, Xenoverse, Online). And that's not even counting the original DB/Z anime/manga deviations and extra material like Bardock, the Trunks special and the Z movies.

I mean, it's useful to know what connects where, but discussing whether any of these is the TRUE UNIVERSE is pointless, the reality is that none of them are. Just enjoy the stories.

It stops being pointless when the people working behind these stories clearly wants to tell us a message, Super was made as a "true" follow up to the Boo Saga from all perspectives, Toei, Toriyama, Toyotaro, despite all the contradictions and inconsistences, they were made as a direct (mid)sequel to the original manga, when promoting Super they clearly show that it's different from GT, would they even bother doing this if Super was just another random sequel? Yeah, GT was a sequel too, but to the Z anime, Toei's version of the story, Super is partially Toriyama, so it has its own manga, made INTENDED to be a follow up to the Boo Saga, what happens with Super having 3 versions is simply that Anime and Manga are different as always, Toei makes its own version, a version of the real story that is the manga, you can tell how even them care about continuity when Toei decides to make Super as a sequel to the manga, and not a sequel to the Z anime or a alternate version of it where GT didn't happen, so even Toei shows that they have a belief of which is the true story,

You can give the fuck to continuity as you want, but saying that it's POINTLESS to discuss it is basically saying that the work of hundreds of fans who spend their time trying to understand how theses stories works, the multiple youtube videos that try to explain them, wikis etc, are all useless and have no reason to exist, also, Toei, Toriyama and Toyotaro themselves and all the efforts they made to keep things as consistent as possible is useless and makes no sense to exist.
Sounds a bit rude to me.

[The Iron Fjord]

I like Daima

[mecha3000]

Also, the Potara thing just confirmed that Super probably won't at all be canon to Daima.

Nope, the explanation given by East Kaioshin and the explanation given by Gowasu can both coexist, what is said in Daima is that the Boo's gas thing can unmake the potara fusion, and that this was the reason for Vegetto defusing, in Super it's said that fusion isn't eternal for mortals, yeah you can say that only Super did a retcon and that Daima didn't because in Boo Saga it's said that fusion is eternal, but Dragon Ball is full of retcons, and they could very well think about excuses for it, specially for Goku forgetting about such explanation and Kibitoshin defusing through Shenlong (or Porunga, can't remember), what would be truly contradictory to Super would be Kibitoshin not returning in the end of Daima, that's something we still have to see.

People keep saying Shin and Kibito might re-fuse, but what's the point? That's needlessly redundant. I say just let Super and Daima be different versions of sequels and don't stress too much about the continuity.

The point is that Daima so far apparently want us to believe that this story is canon to Super, by using the Multiverse concept and expanding on another concept introduced in the Granolah Saga, if you think that Daima should be separate from Super because you hate Super or something else, it's fine, but I don't think it makes sense for you to tell us to "just let Super and Daima be different sequels and don't worry too much about the continuity" when Daima itself (for now) wants us to think the opposite, I know it's just one episode, but it was already enough to make me deduce that this wants to say either that "I'm canon to Super" or "for now, ambiguous".
That is missing the point of how fandoms work, do you know what was the whole point for people to keep finding contradictions between Super and EoZ? Because Super considers itself as a midquel that is going to respect the EoZ, that would be the same thing as saying "just let Super be its own diifferent sequel to Boo Saga and don't stress too much about it being contradictory or accurate to EoZ", when the series itself wants us to think the opposite, if people are talking about continuity, it's because there was a reason for it, that's why there are so many people saying that Kibitoshin might unfuse in the end.
I would've agreed with what you said if Daima already made it clear that it's not canon to Super (or if it was officially confirmed too), this is what that would make the discussions about its continuity with Super truly redundant, as people would be trying to fix/make a connection about something that doesn't exist, but that's definitely not the case here, at least not for this first episode, Daima implied a connection with Super, that's why me and other fans are discussing it.

"I like that this series might not even reference all that Omni-King, gods, and universes bs."

Daima already referenced the "universes bullshit".

Another thing, from what I've seen on YouTube and Twitter/X, people are losing their minds over Super no longer being canon to this. And I LOVE it. For years, GT (which I know is flawed, but has great moments) was always the non-canon black sheep of the franchise that everyone wanted to ignore. And I grew up on and appreciate GT so it sucked to see it overly panned like that. Well, Super fans, welcome to the world of GT fans. And before anyone says anything, I know Toriyama didn't work on GT outside of designs as much as he did for Super.

Well, sorry, I highly apologize to disturb your fun, but you're loving something that doesn't exist, there are fans "losing their minds" for different reasons, two of them are people who believe that Super will remain canon but want to see Daima being canon to its continuity (like me), and people who believe that Daima confirmed that Super is not canon, which makes absolutely no sense as that wasn't said anywhere, I already said above how episode 1 implies connections with Super.

And even if this episode proved that Daima isn't connected to Super, I still don't understand how this would confirm that Super isn't canon, Daima can be disconnected from Super but still not be the "canon" follow up to the Boo Saga, this still could very well be just a show made to celebrate the 40th anniversary, and not to be seem as a "true sequel" like Super, but rather its own little story, also, let's remember that Super will officially continue, it didn't end in order to open doors for a new series, Super is not going through the same situation as GT, the Super fans you're referring to are jumping to conclusions too fast without real evidence.
I really didn't quite get your excitement.

I get your points and you definitely made some good ones. And you're right, Universe 7 was referenced, but I meant more the other 12 universes from Super. But I still stand by most of my opinions and wouldn't mind Daima ignoring Super for the most part and only having loose connections. To each their own opinion, I guess.

[AliTheZombie13]

It stops being pointless when the people working behind these stories clearly wants to tell us a message, Super was made as a "true" follow up to the Boo Saga from all perspectives, Toei, Toriyama, Toyotaro, [...]

That is simply untrue. "Super" was originally just another Z movie, written by someone who wasn't Toriyama.
Dragon Ball was dead to Toriyama before, it died in the 90's and all he wanted was for it to stay dead definitively.
He received phone calls asking him to write a new Dragon Ball, but he refused each and every time.
Toriyama was very clear about it: Dragon Ball was dead to him and he didn't want it to be continued.

...Then he saw Evolution, then he was asked to approve of the script for this new Z movie, and he decided very hesitantly to come back, if only to damage control what they were doing to his legacy.

Toriyama wrote BoG and RoF. At first, it was just the movies. But Toei saw how much cash they were making with it, and haphazardly approved the production of a new anime, that being Super, with barely any pre-production time. Quality didn't matter, that was a sentiment held by many of those who were working on Super at the time. What mattered was that Dragon Ball was profitable again and they were going to milk it for all it was worth.

I'm sorry, I'm not writing any of this to invalidate your love for Super, it's clearly something that brings joy to your life and I really don't want to warp your view of it, but what led to Super's creation was ultimately corporate greed, not really a desire to "Make the ultimate canon Dragon Ball product."

Lord knows if Evolution wasn't a thing, that Z movie would've been released as is and Super probably would've either never existed or would've been entirely different, written solely by Toei with Toriyama's approval much like it was for GT.

You can give the fuck to continuity as you want, but saying that it's POINTLESS to discuss it is basically saying that the work of hundreds of fans who spend their time trying to understand how theses stories works, the multiple youtube videos that try to explain them, wikis etc, are all useless and have no reason to exist, also, Toei, Toriyama and Toyotaro themselves and all the efforts they made to keep things as consistent as possible is useless and makes no sense to exist.
Sounds a bit rude to me.

I do feel it's unhealthy to be worrying and stressing yourself out about how "valid" is a work of fiction. At the end of the day, it's a made-up fantasy story, created purely to entertain and bring joy to our lives, not the Bible or a scientific report.

I do feel it's even more unhealthy to perpetuate the idea that "There is only one true continuity. Don't even bother trying to argue there's more, that's non-canon and stupid!" Not only is that entirely false, given that Dragon Ball has shown time and again it has SEVERAL different continuities, but it often leads to toxic behavior like this:

"People who enjoy Dragon Ball GT, please understand that your opinions, just like the show itself along with your entire life, is worthless and will never matter to the source material." (A post I have seen once with several thousands of likes on Social Media.)

If you really want to call one the "main unequivocally true continuity", that's the original manga, and only the original manga. Everything else, including Super itself, add details that directly contradict it.

[SupremeKai25]

Very hot take: I actually want Whis or the Grand Priest to have a cameo in this series, simply because I want to learn more about how the Angels see the demons.

Because... you know... Angels and Demons. Usually these creatures are connected and opposites lol.