Pointy Ears = Demon Realm Descendant

[Almighty Majin]

It is revealed that pointy ears are a signifier of being a descendant from the Demon Realm as showcased by Namekians having pointy ears, thus they are descended from the Demon Realm. With this information in mind, how many other races/characters might also have this classification?

From what I have observed:

Spoiler:

Namekians
Mr. Popo
Yardratians
Heeters
Freeza Empire: Dodoria, Abo, Cado, Shisami
U2: Hermila, Rabanra, Vikal
U4: Ganos (also debatably Shosa and Majora if the wolf demon in the trailers is anything to go by)
U6: Dr. Rota
U9: Sidra, Oregano, Roselle (also debatably Bergamo, Lavender, and Basil)
U10: Lilibeu, Napapa
U11: Toppo, Cocotte, Kettle, Kunshi
Galactic Prison: Moro, Shimorekka, Miza, Iwaza, Kikaza
Macareni Gang
Cell (partially)
Saibamen (perhaps they are based on Demon Realm plant life that made its way outside?)

Including movies:

Spoiler:

Makyans
Wheelo's Bio-Warriors
Lord Slug and his clan
Neize
Paragus' soldiers
Bojack and his crew
Konatsians
Hoi

[Makaioshin]

Huge implications for our current understanding of Skop (Slump), Pilaf, Lucifer, and Dracula Man. Though I suppose we already knew Lucifer himself was a Majin. Cyclops from Dragon Quest also appears during the 22nd TB.

I am sure we will get many new kinds of demons but I do think we may see other Saibaiman as mentioned because it could tie into the biggest one of all: Saiyans in their Oozaru state have pointy ears.

[DBFanGuy]

Hope we get more clarification on this. Anything with pointy ears shouldn’t be a demon automatically. I’m also wondering if the namekians aren’t demons per se but a species that started in the demon realm.

[emperior]

Great Apes also have pointy ears. Does it mean that Saiyans too came from the Demon World and later evolved into their more human-like form?

Maybe Daima will touch upon it. Especially if it takes inspiration from GT. It wouldn’t surprise me to see Super Saiyan 4 being repurposed into being Goku and Vegeta’s controlled demonic form.

[Rafa Fast]

Wouldn't go too far into it personally, as I said in my other post, I think it's more likely that beings who have pointy ears and can use magic are the ones who come from Makai or are descendents from people born there, that would make Moro a makaijin, and maybe the Yardrats? I say this because they have the Shunkan Ido, and that technique could be a weaker version of the Kai Kai, which is a divine/supernatural technique used by the Kaioshins.

Now, there are beings who can use Magic and clearly don't have pointy ears, Babidi, Bibidi, Uranai Baba, but at first I thought that maybe they are simply mortals who learned magic, but aren't magical beings by nature, but then I remember that Uranai Baba has her weird connection to the spiritual world

[SupremeKai25]

I think this line is simply setting up a later plot twist like "All Kaioshin originated from the Demon realm" or "Demons are fallen Kaioshin who were banished to the Demon Realm". There's nothing more to it.

You're not meant to think that the Oozaru are suddenly related to demons, that would be absurd.

[Dragmobot12]

I have a strong sense that this could significantly enhance Moro's lore as the anime progresses. It seems likely that he'll eventually be confirmed as an actual demon. This feels like a pivotal plot point, especially considering his use of magic, his role as an enemy of the Kaioshins, and his Baphomet-inspired design.

[Yuji]

I have a strong sense that this could significantly enhance Moro's lore as the anime progresses. It seems likely that he'll eventually be confirmed as an actual demon. This feels like a pivotal plot point, especially considering his use of magic, his role as an enemy of the Kaioshins, and his Baphomet-inspired design.

Yes, I think of the pointy-eared characters we know, the ones most likely to be related to the Demon realm are Mr. Popo and Moro due to their magical abilities. Maybe the Yardratians as well?

Spoiler:

According to Geekdom leaks, the Saibamen are in the demon word.

[Zephyr]

I am sure we will get many new kinds of demons but I do think we may see other Saibaiman as mentioned because it could tie into the biggest one of all: Saiyans in their Oozaru state have pointy ears.

It wouldn’t surprise me to see Super Saiyan 4 being repurposed into being Goku and Vegeta’s controlled demonic form.

This has me thinking. There is a certain ambiguity and fuzziness regarding the boundary between "demons" and "magic". So if the Ozaru and Super Saiyan 4 are demonic forms, that also would make them magical forms, which could go a long way to explain the "magical clothes" we see with both.

[Rafa Fast]

This has me thinking. There is a certain ambiguity and fuzziness regarding the boundary between "demons" and "magic". So if the Ozaru and Super Saiyan 4 are demonic forms, that also would make them magical forms, which could go a long way to explain the "magical clothes" we see with both.

Oozaru hs magical clothes??? What ??
For Super Saiyajin 4 it would be a good explanation I think, though I personally believe what happened was simply a artist character design decision and they didn't bother in explaning why the pants change and shirt disappears in-universe. Would be the same thing with SSJ God in the Kami to Kami movie and Super Anime, where Goku's boots magically change colors and I think it's because they used Toriyama's concept art of the transformation as basis for its appearance in both animations.

[Zephyr]

Oozaru hs magical clothes??? What ??
For Super Saiyajin 4 it would be a good explanation I think, though I personally believe what happened was simply a artist character design decision and they didn't bother in explaning why the pants change and shirt disappears in-universe. Would be the same thing with SSJ God in the Kami to Kami movie and Super Anime, where Goku's boots magically change colors and I think it's because they used Toriyama's concept art of the transformation as basis for its appearance in both animations.

Yeah it was definitely just a production decision, but it would be fun to get an in-universe explanation for it.

And, yeah, for whatever reason Heroes and other games kept clothes on Gogeta and Broli when giving them Golden Ozaru, with the baggy cloth parts staying baggy.


Of course, Heroes' nonsense is pretty easy to just ignore. But, again, it would be fun if this nonsense was somehow made sensible in-universe.

[PeteyVX]

In relation to the pointy ears discussion, I've recently been rewatching Dragon Ball and last night I saw the fight between Ma Junior / Piccolo and Kami (possessing the human named Shen), and it has given me some clarity on a loose end in my mind.

The first "aha!" moment in this and the previous arc of Dragon Ball came in noticing "Daima" in "Daimao", but that's not the main point of my reply. I've not had the chance as a new forum user to read through all of the Daima discussion yet but I'd find it hard to believe that someone didn't pick up on that long, long ago.

Rather, what intrigues me about the pointy ear plot point in episode 1 of Daima has to do with how the fight between Piccolo and Kami ended. Kami uses the mafuba technique (demon concealing wave / evil containment wave) against Piccolo who astonishingly reverses it right back at Kami. The technique works, surprisingly sealing Kami in the bottle after he shed the human form of Shen right at the last second.

This begs the question: how can an evil containment wave work on someone who is not evil?

One might argue that since Kami and Piccolo are essentially the same person that the technique can work on him based on that understanding, but I would counter that by saying Kami is devoid of the evil that could cause him to be contained by the mafuba. The Namekian who sought to become Earth's Kami was unable to take that position until he split himself into two beings, one containing all of his evil (Piccolo Daimao) and everything else that was left (Kami).

That's what makes this pointy ear thing interesting to me, because if Namekians are originally from the Demon Realm then that is the only explanation for why a demon concealing wave could work on Kami! I'm all for it! Look at Daima tying up 35 year old loose ends!

EDIT: I wrote 25 year old loose ends by mistake. I sometimes forget that I'm closer to 40 than 30 >_>;;

[Caulifor]

Yeah, I don't think this means EVERY being with pointed ears is a demon. Just that every demon has pointed ears, so it's an indicator. I mean, even the Kaioshin have pointed ears and they're basically the opposite of demons. Well, maybe those are the Angels, but I digress...

Unless of course SupremeKai25 is onto something here and they do reveal the Kaio race (after all, Lord Kaio has pointed ears too) is related to demons somehow. That would be cool too.

[PerhapsTheOtherOne]

The 2nd episode from today also elaborated that not everyone with pointy ears is from the Demon Realm (specifically referring to the likes of Shin and other Kais most likely), but also said that many people from the Demon Realm migrated out and settled in the mortal Universes.

So it's highly likely that the common mortals with pointy ears have demonic heritage but no longer count as true Demons anymore, as clearly Demons are a diverse and numerous bunch who come in all shapes and sizes and can sustain stable populations when they settle in the normal realms.

Those without pointy ears in this regard are "true mortals", beings who only ever developed from mortal races that were born and lived in the universes without any demonic cross-breeding.

[TrunksTrevelyan0064]

This got me wondering about Akkuman. His ears, if he has any at all, are hidden behind his... whatchamacallit. Onesie? Doesn't seem like there's any particularly big pointy ears in there. Akkuman does say he's from HELL, not the demon realm. So maybe he's not even a demon, but more like a... devil. THE devil? Who knows.

[SupremeKai25]

I have a strong sense that this could significantly enhance Moro's lore as the anime progresses. It seems likely that he'll eventually be confirmed as an actual demon. This feels like a pivotal plot point, especially considering his use of magic, his role as an enemy of the Kaioshins, and his Baphomet-inspired design.

Yes. Moro is a goatman warlock, it doesn't get more "demonic" than that.

It won't surprise me if there will be some guy who looks like Moro or someone name-dropping Moro or even a Moro cameo right at the end setting up Super Season 2.

If there's a villain who likely has ties to the Demon realm it's this dude:

[Shineman]

I am sure we will get many new kinds of demons but I do think we may see other Saibaiman as mentioned because it could tie into the biggest one of all: Saiyans in their Oozaru state have pointy ears.

It wouldn’t surprise me to see Super Saiyan 4 being repurposed into being Goku and Vegeta’s controlled demonic form.

This has me thinking. There is a certain ambiguity and fuzziness regarding the boundary between "demons" and "magic". So if the Ozaru and Super Saiyan 4 are demonic forms, that also would make them magical forms, which could go a long way to explain the "magical clothes" we see with both.

That could offers an explanation how the old Kaioshin knew about "Super Saiyan 4" when it first debut

[daniel1]

I think this is really interesting because it seems like it will retcon the origin of the gods. Originally, they were born from two types of fruit from the Kaiju tree: a regular one or a golden one. Kaioshin and Kibito were born from a golden fruit. This new twist in Daima is much more interesting than that.

[PerhapsTheOtherOne]

I think this is really interesting because it seems like it will retcon the origin of the gods. Originally, they were born from two types of fruit from the Kaiju tree: a regular one or a golden one. Kaioshin and Kibito were born from a golden fruit. This new twist in Daima is much more interesting than that.

See, I don't think they're quite gonna do that.

Seems to me that they'll finally be putting this originally background info from the guidebooks into animation properly. It's why I think Degesu and Arinsu will be properly revealed as Makaioshin, with perhaps a reveal that Demons, Kaioshin, etc., all originally hail from a common source that diverged at some point.

Maybe the Kaiju Tree will actually appear and be integral to the expanded lore.

[daniel1]

Seems to me that they'll finally be putting this originally background info from the guidebooks into animation properly. It's why I think Degesu and Arinsu will be properly revealed as Makaioshin, with perhaps a reveal that Demons, Kaioshin, etc., all originally hail from a common source that diverged at some point.

Maybe the Kaiju Tree will actually appear and be integral to the expanded lore.

Oh that's even better. They should hire you!