Is SSJ2 and 3 full powered possible?

[Seekeroftruth]

Full powered SSJ occurs when a saiyan becomes so relaxed in the SSJ form that it ends up being their natural state. It becomes so natural that the energy drain of the transformation is almost mitigated. This allows the saiyan to allocate the energy used to maintain the transformation into other avenues like speed, strength, ki attacks etc.

It stands to reason that the same principle could be applied to SSJ2 and 3. However, we never actually see Goku or Vegeta attempt this concept at all in the series. Granted we can excuse them in the Buu arc due to only recently reaching the form. However, after the buu arc ends, they had plenty of time to try and make these transformations there natural state. And yet, we see that this is still not the case.

Do you think it is possible for SSJ2 and 3 to also reach full powered stated?

[Trouser]

The only person to ever master SSJ2 was Future Trunks. It's not quite the same thing as "a saiyan becomes so relaxed in the SSJ form that it ends up their natural state" but it's the only mastered Super Saiyan 2 we know about.

[Alruneia]

DBS manga Future Trunks did pull out a kind of FPSS2 to match Goku's SS3. That doesn't mean he did the whole staying relaxed while transformed thing, obviously, there's no guarantee it functions the same way, but he did experiment with the form in some way at least. On the other hand, SS3 is an inherently flawed form, with its stamina drain being a central aspect of it, so I don't think it's possible to "fix" that one and create an FPSS3 in the same vein as the others.

[theherodjl]

I suppose it is possible, the issue is that it's pointless given that there are several transformations superior in every aspect to SSJ2 & SSJ3. After BoG came out, Toriyama stated that SSJ2 & SSJ3 were merely power-upgraded variants of SSJ and that Goku(and by extension, everyone else) wasn't going to bother trying to do any more with those forms. The only ones still reliant on them is Gotenks, Future Trunks(manga), and the U6 Saiyan trio(anime). However, I imagine that every Saiyan will eventually follow suit with Goku and go for their own better form of SSJ or whatever power up they discover.

[ankokudaishogun]

Also: we got a SS3 Full Power with Cumber in SuperDB Heroes.

[Koitsukai]

Future Trunks has done something like that, his powered up SS2 is on par with SS3 Goku. Vegeta seems to have that under his belt as well but better, his SS2 is greatly above SS3 Goku.

But like another poster mentioned, Toriyama envisioned Goku mastering SS1 by being able to summon the power of SS2 and SS3 in that form, the complete opposite of what the Vegeta family is doing.
Although, in the Broly movie, Vegeta might be doing what Tori mentioned, in his SS1 state and not in his SS2 state like before.

[BWri]

SSJ2 has always come off as a fairly optimized form. There's no strain or restrictions on it and it has a lot of power. Trunks took it even further beyond that to (likely) surpass Goku's SSJ3. This was a Goku who trained several years with SSB Vegeta in the time chamber and who gained massive power in base form even before that to match a form of Frieza that greatly surpassed Gohan and Piccolo.

I think the same can be done with SSJ3, but at this point in the story there's no reason to do that with so many better forms. I think it'd legit be cool to see Kaulifla, Kale, or Kefla master it.

[theherodjl]

SSJ2 has always come off as a fairly optimized form. There's no strain or restrictions on it and it has a lot of power.

I do think that there may be some strain on it, albeit not to the crazy extent of SSJ3. While Goku & Majin Vegeta were still engaged in their big fight, their SSJ2 energy output was able to feed Boo back to full power rather quickly even though that wasn't their intention. They also both needed a senzu after fighting for a little over half an hour.
Another this is that when SSJ2 Gohan destroyed Super Perfect Cell, he also seemed to be pretty wiped out even after the much shorter beam clash depicted in the manga.
I wouldn't say that SSJ2 has the strain of losing energy by simply being in the form like SSJ3 does, but when the Saiyans push themselves with SSJ2, it probably does eat away at their energy a little faster than with ordinary SSJ.

[BWri]

SSJ2 has always come off as a fairly optimized form. There's no strain or restrictions on it and it has a lot of power.

I do think that there may be some strain on it, albeit not to the crazy extent of SSJ3. While Goku & Majin Vegeta were still engaged in their big fight, their SSJ2 energy output was able to feed Boo back to full power rather quickly even though that wasn't their intention. They also both needed a senzu after fighting for a little over half an hour.
Another this is that when SSJ2 Gohan destroyed Super Perfect Cell, he also seemed to be pretty wiped out even after the much shorter beam clash depicted in the manga.
I wouldn't say that SSJ2 has the strain of losing energy by simply being in the form like SSJ3 does, but when the Saiyans push themselves with SSJ2, it probably does eat away at their energy a little faster than with ordinary SSJ.

Respectfully, I don't think those are good examples. I'm pretty sure Goku and Vegeta's fight fed Buu quickly because of the damage they were inflicting on one another combined with the pure power output of SSJ2. And they required sensu because they were apparently going all out as SSJ2 and inflicting massive damage on one another. I don't think perfect ki control would have helped at all either since it seems damage was the catalyst for powering Buu but I've never been 100% clear on that. I don't think errant ki such as what's generated from unmastered SSJ forms would power Buu very much for instance, at least without the damage factor included.

In Gohan's case, he took a big injury from Cell then proceeded to put his all into the final Kamehameha that took Cell's life. From a narrative standpoint, he had to dig deep into his well of power to get the job done, so he was absolutely spent by the end.

I wouldn't say that SSJ2 has the strain of losing energy by simply being in the form like SSJ3 does, but when the Saiyans push themselves with SSJ2, it probably does eat away at their energy a little faster than with ordinary SSJ.

I honestly can't think of a single time that SSJ2 displayed any deficiencies at all compared to SSJ1. I can't think of a time when any deficiencies or drawbacks were mentioned or displayed in the manga. Logically, I'd want to believe that SSJ2 had some drawback, but it truly comes across as the most optimized of the entire mortal SSJ line of transformations.

[miguelnuva1]

The Trunks and Cumber are going to be the best things for FP SS2 and SS3.

[p-hyvo]

Well for what I can tell, future trunks in the manga has a sort of FPSSJ2, while FPSSJ3 is just a SSJ3 used while dead in the afterlife , where you don't have the stamina drain problem and can fight at full power way longer ( or Cumber's, if you want to consider heroes too)

[Shintoki]

Well for what I can tell, future trunks in the manga has a sort of FPSSJ2, while FPSSJ3 is just a SSJ3 used while dead in the afterlife , where you don't have the stamina drain problem and can fight at full power way longer ( or Cumber's, if you want to consider heroes too)

this is the best take on this topic. great job

[Hugo Boss]

In a way, we do see some kind of “full-powered” or mastered versions of SS2 and SS3. For SS2, Vegeta in Battle of Gods/Dragon Ball Super manga and Future Trunks during the Goku Black arc seem to have attained a more refined SS2, where they tap into higher power levels. Vegeta’s SS2, for instance, seems extremely polished, especially when compared to Trunks’.

Similarly, characters like Cumber and Goku Black exhibit what you could call advanced versions of SS3. Cumber uses ascended SS3 without apparent drawbacks in terms of energy loss, unlike Goku or even Gotenks, who struggle with its massive stamina drain. Goku Black also shows off ascended SS3 without the energy drain issues, suggesting that refinement is possible.

However, while these examples show some form of “full power” for these transformations, I don’t think it’s a concept that should be pushed further. SS2 and SS3 were designed to have distinct roles as higher levels of Super Saiyan, with their own strengths and weaknesses. Introducing “full-powered” variations for these forms could undermine their narrative function as part of the progression within the Super Saiyan transformations.

Adding layers like “full-powered” versions of transformations within transformations could end up cheapening the impact of the original Super Saiyan concept. One of the best parts of the transformations in Dragon Ball was their distinct narrative function. If every form eventually just becomes a perfected, full-powered version of itself, it risks watering down what made each transformation significant in the first place.

[Rafa Fast]

More than 2 forms received a "Full Power/Perfected" State later on in the series, first it was SSJ1, then SSJB and then Migatte no Goku'i, I dare to say that even a perfected/full power SSJG might exist, with the transformation that Goku used against Beerus being the normal/weaker version of it, while the power absorbed by Goku that he later used in SSJ form (and later in his base form against Whis and Final Form Freeza) would be the perfect SSJ God state as it was originally planned, SSJG would later return as its own separate transformation again and I think that is the full power version of the transformation as Goku and Vegeta use it perfectly, also to awaken Blue later.

so I think it's completely possible that the same would be with SSJ3 and SSJ2, though from my understanding, in Cell Saga, all of SSJ forms we see (SSJ2 included) are actually meant to be natural evolutions of SSJ1's power, SSJ Dai ni Dankai, SSJ Dai San Dankai, SSJ Full Power, and then SSJ2 being another stronger evolution above all of previous ones. It would be in the Boo Saga where Toriyama would come up with the concept of each evolution being a separate upgraded form (or variation), and not power upgrade of a single form, that was when "SSJ1" "SSJ2" and "SSJ3" were established, with names and all, so that makes me think that maybe at least before Super, Toriyama never thought about full powered SSJ2 and SSJ3 because he never repeated the concepts of Cell Saga SSJ1 variations for these forms, they were simply SSJ2 and SSJ3 and nothing more, no stronger variations, just their own single thing. Then Super came and implied that Vegeta and Trunks unlocked a Full Power SSJ2, that being retcon of Toriyama's original idea for this form (in case if it really existed)

Spoiler:

Though maybe that old concept would actually start back when Cell returns as Super Perfect, as Gohan reverts back to "SSJ1" and later transforms into "SSJ2" again, and the entire saga before that moment makes us think that maybe once the person achieves a stronger version of SSJ1, he can't revert back to the previous weaker versions, unless that is actually possible as it was never stated that they can't, but it's a fact that we never saw any of the characters using the weaker SSJ1 versions ever again after unlocking Full Power SSJ1 state, that would only be Mirai Trunks using SSJ Dai San Dankai in Super anime as far as I remember.

That makes me think if a Perfect version of Broly and Kales LSSJ forms are possible? Broly's form in the Super movie is called Full Power Super Saiyajin weirdly enough, and the two have "controlled" SSJ states, but are a lot weaker than uncontrolled versions, or are all of them SSJ1 related? I really don't know.

Anyway, considering what Super makes, I think making that question would be the same as asking "are SSJ2 and SSJ3 Blue possible", it's totally possible if you consider what happened to the other forms, unless Toyotaro, Goku or someone else denies it.

[Rory]

I could see Super Saiyan 2 being achievable, it seems similar enough to original Super Saiyan that it would likely just take more training and maybe more drastic measures (the first required training in the Room of Spirit and Time, after all). The lightning might get a little annoying, though.
SS3 I think probably not, at least not naturally. SS3 being as taxing as it (Goku can barely hold on to it for minutes at a time) I get the feeling that even if you could manage to get to the point where you never need to switch it off, you'd be reducing your lifespan by keeping the effort up all the time.

[Peach]

The only person to ever master SSJ2 was Future Trunks. It's not quite the same thing as "a saiyan becomes so relaxed in the SSJ form that it ends up their natural state" but it's the only mastered Super Saiyan 2 we know about.

Trunks didn't master it imo. It was just the limits of his power until he unlocked Super Saiyan Rage, which was a Trunks specific mutation/transformation of Super Saiyan. The only one to master 2 was Goku since he deliberately pushed the "beyond Super Saiyan" power to "even further beyond."



I would be curious if it would be possible for a character to constantly remain in 2, 3, God, Blue, or 4 even while relaxed and sleeping. Like how Goku and Gohan were before the Cell Games.

[Hugo Boss]

I would be curious if it would be possible for a character to constantly remain in 2, 3, God, Blue, or 4 even while relaxed and sleeping. Like how Goku and Gohan were before the Cell Games.

Actually, Goku says they’ll try always being Super Saiyan, except when sleeping. We don’t see them powering down when going to sleep, but they probably needed to do so to get some rest.