Dragon Ball Daima: Episode 1 - Official Discussion Thread

[AliTheZombie13]

Well, I do commend you for apologizing. You're free to believe Super is the main unequivocally true continuity of Dragon Ball. Though, with all things that contradict the manga that preceded it, I prefer to just treat it as a separate thing. Until somebody comes along and officially tells us, "DB/Z -> Daima -> Super is the real continuity of DB, all others don't matter!" To each their own.

[anubisj]

I understand your point, have read your posts thoroughly, so it's not a matter of me not understanding you, I simply don't agree

For me, there is no "definitive canon story" nor Toei meant to give us one. I think it works better if we each have our own headcanon, since maybe for you it doesnt matter that the super manga contradicts some minor details of the og manga, but for another one it might be a big deal. In my case, I'm not really swayed by the "Toei meant for the Super manga to be the definitive canon", especially with Daima contradicting one of its retcons in the first episode. I view it as different continuities, each with different timelines, which is how I make sense of it...each continuity has its own canon, and so we have the original anime trilogy, Super, Daima, Super movies (Beerus and golden frieza), Heroes, etc.

Point being, imo, there's no need to affirm one story as the "main one" (thereby invalidating others as "not canon" or whatever), especially since canon means so little to DB, but hey, to each their own, I respect your opinion, you seem quite convinced, and, who knows, maybe in future Daima eps they will show, as you said, that potaras are actually temporary like in Super.

[LightBing]

It would be nice to have other characters go to the Demon Realm besides Goku and Kaioshin.

Like Piccolo go on a side quest to uncover more about Namek's past with some developing and opponents for him.

[Rafa Fast]

It would be nice to have other characters go to the Demon Realm besides Goku and Kaioshin.

Like Piccolo go on a side quest to uncover more about Namek's past with some developing and opponents for him.

The last trailer show Piccolo and Vegeta in a place similar to that where we see Goku in the other trailers, so they very likely will be going to Makai too.

[Dogasu]

My thoughts:

Good

• The animation was really nice. There were certain scenes that looked like they could have even come straight out of a movie, and I was really impressed with the amount of work it must have taken to do the shots were dozens of videos were being played at the same time.

• The new antagonist characters all seem really fun. It's too early to tell but it seems like they should mesh pretty well with the other existing characters.

• Nozawa and (most of) the rest of the cast sounded really great.

• The humor in this was terrific and provided some truly laugh-out-loud moments, with the back-and-forth between Shenlong and Gomah being a particular highlight.

Neutral

• The background music was...fine. It wasn't bad, but it wasn't super great, either.

Bad

• Like others have said, the recap of the Boo saga dragged on for way, way too long. I would have rather they cut that entire sequence down to about half its current length and then use what's left for more scenes with Goku and the gang

• Ryo Horikawa's Vegeta sounded rough in this. He was fine when he was sparring with Goku but when he was just standing around talking you could very much tell this is a man in his late 60s.

• All things Mr. Popo. I'll never understand how it makes sense for Toei to continue to ignore the (extremely valid!) criticisms of the character and continue to add him to new projects regardless.

[ZeroNeonix]

You know, I just realized something I didn't catch at first. The three guardians of Hell's Dragon Balls seem to have the Dragon Balls incorporated into their bodies. So it may be safe to assume that in order to use them, a person would have to kill them in order to take their Dragon Balls. Hmm... Where have we seen that before?



While none of the silhouettes of the guardians look like them, I do wonder how much inspiration they are taking from the Shadow Dragons. This might be a similar situation to when they had Anilaza in the Tournament of Power, who was heavily inspired by Janemba. Distinct enough to be their own thing, but with clear parallels to the originals.

[LightBing]

The last trailer show Piccolo and Vegeta in a place similar to that where we see Goku in the other trailers, so they very likely will be going to Makai too.

I hope so. Maybe three parties for each planet and they reunite later in the series.
Now that I think about it, perhaps the Makai Dragon Balls are split and each crew could go after one of them.

[sangofe]

My thoughts:

Good

• The animation was really nice. There were certain scenes that looked like they could have even come straight out of a movie, and I was really impressed with the amount of work it must have taken to do the shots were dozens of videos were being played at the same time.

• The new antagonist characters all seem really fun. It's too early to tell but it seems like they should mesh pretty well with the other existing characters.

• Nozawa and (most of) the rest of the cast sounded really great.

• The humor in this was terrific and provided some truly laugh-out-loud moments, with the back-and-forth between Shenlong and Gomah being a particular highlight.

Neutral

• The background music was...fine. It wasn't bad, but it wasn't super great, either.

Bad

• Like others have said, the recap of the Boo saga dragged on for way, way too long. I would have rather they cut that entire sequence down to about half its current length and then use what's left for more scenes with Goku and the gang

• Ryo Horikawa's Vegeta sounded rough in this. He was fine when he was sparring with Goku but when he was just standing around talking you could very much tell this is a man in his late 60s.

• All things Mr. Popo. I'll never understand how it makes sense for Toei to continue to ignore the (extremely valid!) criticisms of the character and continue to add him to new projects regardless.

I disagree with all of your points on your bad list but Vegeta. Horikawa has been smoking for way too long unfortunately. I loved the Boo recap. It should have been longer and Mr popo was cool to have but I didn't like his voice.

[Big Black Sayian]

So yeah weekly Dragon Ball is back with great animation, art , multiple new characters. Excited to see where this goes
I'm not to concerned with retcons now but something is bothering me.
I think people think Piccolo is back to be a demon and no longer an alien. But aren’t Namekians both ? There’s nothing stopping them from being aliens now that we know they are demons

[JulieYBM]

So yeah weekly Dragon Ball is back with great animation, art , multiple new characters. Excited to see where this goes
I'm not to concerned with retcons now but something is bothering me.
I think people think Piccolo is back to be a demon and no longer an alien. But aren’t Namekians both ? There’s nothing stopping them from being aliens now that we know they are demons

They are both. Nameks moved to Planet Namek and thus became Namekians. A Namekian moved to Earth, then split into two different Namekians and used their demon power to be a demon king on Earth.

[Koitsukai]

So yeah weekly Dragon Ball is back with great animation, art , multiple new characters. Excited to see where this goes
I'm not to concerned with retcons now but something is bothering me.
I think people think Piccolo is back to be a demon and no longer an alien. But aren’t Namekians both ? There’s nothing stopping them from being aliens now that we know they are demons

Right, and it was also true since before Daima. Namekians being aliens meant they weren't earth-based demons but beings from someplace else. The demon part was never retconned or overridden, we just assumed alien replaced demon but it was always both.
I guess the demon part got diluted as time went buy for the namekian race, and Piccolo got it back by splitting into two, and it disappeared after he became good.

IIRC, the only demonic retcon was that people killed by Piccolo weren't stuck in limbo anymore.

[DBFanGuy]

So yeah weekly Dragon Ball is back with great animation, art , multiple new characters. Excited to see where this goes
I'm not to concerned with retcons now but something is bothering me.
I think people think Piccolo is back to be a demon and no longer an alien. But aren’t Namekians both ? There’s nothing stopping them from being aliens now that we know they are demons

How can they be both? Demons and aliens are two different things. I guess for me I’ve never been a fan of demons being portrayed as good guys. I’m really hoping daima isn’t canon and piccolo will continue to be a an alien along with dende and the others.

[Vegard Aune]

So yeah weekly Dragon Ball is back with great animation, art , multiple new characters. Excited to see where this goes
I'm not to concerned with retcons now but something is bothering me.
I think people think Piccolo is back to be a demon and no longer an alien. But aren’t Namekians both ? There’s nothing stopping them from being aliens now that we know they are demons

How can they be both? Demons and aliens are two different things. I guess for me I’ve never been a fan of demons being portrayed as good guys. I’m really hoping daima isn’t canon and piccolo will continue to be a an alien along with dende and the others.

They are demons. Who are from another planet/dimension. Which thereby also makes them aliens. These are not contradictory ideas. Really fundamentally this only really means that "demons" need not necessarily be evil, since obviously most of the Namekian characters in Dragon Ball have been pretty unambiguously kind and compassionate, with Piccolo and now this new guy being about the only outright villainous ones. (Well, if one is taking just the manga and Daima into account anyway. I know there's also stuff like Slug if you extend this to all things Dragon Ball.)

[Rafa Fast]

For me they can very well still be aliens and demons at the same time because I think "aliens" is specifically a term used to represent how the earthlings see people who don't belong to Earth, Demons and Makai people aren't from Earth, so then, making them "aliens" by Earth's perspective, same thing applies to Beerus, Kaioshins, etc, Goku himself (remember Oolong's line in Pilaf saga)

I believe that the true "retcon" here though would be that Namekujins are no more mortals, but now supernatural beings (or interdimensional)
When Piccolo Daimao was originally introduced in DB, he was considered to be a demon, so he was supernatural figure. Then the Saiyaiin saga came and "discarded" that concept by saying that Piccolo and his race are actually people from a different planet, with the origin of the race being in Namekusei, if their new origin was in a planet in the mortal world, then they were now mortals, and no more supernatural beings. Now Daima "discarded" the retcon and made them supernatural beings again, because their origin is in Makai and not in the Mortal world anymore. So Piccolo and the other Namekujins are now same kind of being as Dabura, specifically a demon/makaijin, though clearly a separate race. Kaios, Kaioshins, Hakaishins, Angels and Zeno would be supernatural/interdimensional beings too, though Hakaishins live in Mortal world for some reason (if I recall correctly), which doesn't make sense I think.
That's how I understand it.

Unless people who said that Namekujins aren't "Aliens" anymore are actually using the word "Aliens" to specifically referr to mortals who don't live in Earth, then it makes sense for them to be saying that.

[Koitsukai]

Namekians are aliens because they aren't from Earth, shit, they are not even from Namek, they are foreigners which is the definition of alien. Apparently they are aliens to the mortal realm as a whole.

It does add up when you think about this race coming up with wish-granting orbes the size of planets that even Hakaishin struggle to collect and can override Zeno's doing.

[PerhapsTheOtherOne]

Here's one way to look at it:

Namekians used to be pure Demons due to being inhabitants of the Demon Realm and having the properties of Demons living there, like magic and extended lifespans compared to ordinary mortals; evidently, Demons also put you into limbo when they kill you, preventing proper passage into whichever afterlife you're supposed to go to.

However, generations of living in the Mortal Realm caused them to gradually develop into a slightly distinct off-shoot that was considered sort of a midway point between mortals and Demons; they were still demonic in some ways, but were also different.

In that regard, the Nameless Namekian purging his evil ended up recreating the properly demonic form of Namekian that they used to be with Piccolo Daimao, though his reincarnation ended up reverting the truly demonic properties like putting killed victims into limbo after his encounter with Goku in the 23rd Tenkaichi Budokai.

[Grimlock]

One of the most talked subjects prior to Dragon Ball Daima's debut was its timeline placement. In more than one occasion I went to a thread and all I found was people talking about when the series is supposed to occur.

Dragon Ball Daima debuts, we get a confirmation on when the series is supposed to take place through Trunks age, the same people:

Blaaaaarghhh! So many lore dumps! Did we really need Trunks to say he was nine!? So unnecessary! Oh my bad, it is so necessary... To update the wiki!11!1!1!

I don't know why I even bothered to check some reviews on Youtube too, they also complained about it. My fault, I know full well that the content there is subpar quality, but... eh.

This reminded of when IGN gave a 7 to Pokémon Omega Ruby, and one of the cons was "too much water". Who remember that? It was ten years ago. I guess Dragon Ball Daima also gets a low(er) score too... All because "ToO mUcH lOrE!1!1!11!1".



"Honestly every time Dragon Ball tries to do something interesting you make it not that way".

[Zephyr]

Perhaps the people chomping at the bit to know when Daima took place are not the same people complaining about the volume of exposition and lore drops we got in the first episode.

But even if they were, if the only lore drop we got was clarifying where Daima took place, I don't think anybody would be groaning about it.

[Thani]

Namekians are aliens because they aren't from Earth, shit, they are not even from Namek, they are foreigners which is the definition of alien. Apparently they are aliens to the mortal realm as a whole.

It does add up when you think about this race coming up with wish-granting orbes the size of planets that even Hakaishin struggle to collect and can override Zeno's doing.

This. Demons and angels, any extradimensional being in fact, are, by definition, aliens. Extraterrestrials. The only thing that changed is that the namekians are aliens even to Planet Namek... but we already knew that since the Granolah Arc.

[DBFanGuy]

Demons and aliens aren’t the same thing. Demons are supernatural beings and always evil.