Making Sense of Saiyan Transformations and Power Ups

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Making Sense of Saiyan Transformations and Power Ups

Post by Almighty Majin » Sat Oct 19, 2024 7:17 pm

This franchise has shown us many different ways that Saiyans can power up and transform. I will attempt to organize and make sense of these mechanisms. I will only be including Saiyan forms. Kaioken, Ultimate, Ultra Instinct, etc. will NOT be included.

Saiyan Power Boost Path:
Oozaru Path:
Super Saiyan Path:
God Ki Path:
Evil Saiyan Path:
Oozaru + Super Saiyan:
Oozaru + God Ki:
Oozaru + Evil Ki:
Super Saiyan + God Ki:
Super Saiyan + Evil Ki:
God Ki + Evil Ki:
Oozaru + Super Saiyan + God Ki:
Oozaru + Super Saiyan + Evil Ki:
Super Saiyan + God Ki + Evil Ki:
Oozaru + Super Saiyan + God Ki + Evil Ki:
Additional notes:
Super Saiyan Rose is a unique form taken on by Saiyans who are natural gods like Goku Black.
Legendary/Berserker Super Saiyan is a unique mutation of the Super Saiyan forms.
Certain limit breaking forms like Super Saiyan Rage, Super Saiyan 4 Limit Breaker, and Super Saiyan Blue Evolved are likely accessed via the Saiyan Spirit Boost power up that I described earlier.

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Re: Making Sense of Saiyan Transformations and Power Ups

Post by Grimlock » Sat Oct 19, 2024 8:48 pm

Well, if the idea is to "make sense" as well as explain and catalogue these forms, then:
Almighty Majin wrote: Sat Oct 19, 2024 7:17 pmWrathful - The ability to utilize the Oozaru power in base form. The body bulks up greatly and the senses are lost. (Used by Broly)
I wouldn't say "base form" considering Broly displayed different characteristics from his actual base form. Meaning it's a transformation, as his hairstyle changes and the color of his eyes does too.
Almighty Majin wrote: Sat Oct 19, 2024 7:17 pmFalse Super Saiyan - An incomplete and unstable version of the Super Saiyan form likely accessed due to a lack of S-Cells. (Used by Goku against Lord Slug)
Nor the movie itself or guidebooks revealed enough of the form for us to say that it is "unstable". From its very brief appearance, Goku didn't seem to have any problems with it. But, by the virtue of being "incomplete", a step below Super Saiyan, I would certainly assume its multiplier to be x25, it makes total sense.
Almighty Majin wrote: Sat Oct 19, 2024 7:17 pmSuper Saiyan Grade 2 - Bulked up version of the Super Saiyan form achieved by channeling excess power into the body. (Used by Goku, Vegeta, and Future Trunks)
Same thing here, I assuredly think this form's multiplier to be x75, making it a perfect "Super Saiyan 1.5". Partly because...
Almighty Majin wrote: Sat Oct 19, 2024 7:17 pmSuper Saiyan Grade 3 - Overloaded version of the Super Saiyan form that trades speed and stamina for extra power. (Used by Goku, Future Trunks, and Caulifla)
... The drawback of this form is such that it only makes sense for its multiplier to be very high. Higher than Super Saiyan 2's. I can't see this form having a multiplier below x100. It's a perfect trade-off, if you ask me.

Other users include: Cell.
Almighty Majin wrote: Sat Oct 19, 2024 7:17 pmPartial Super Saiyan - After mastering Super Saiyan, a Saiyan can partially use the power of Super Saiyan in their base form. Could be thought of as the mastered and refined variant of the False Super Saiyan state. (Used by Goku in the Other World)
What the heck is that!?
Almighty Majin wrote: Sat Oct 19, 2024 7:17 pmMastered Super Saiyan - Also referred to as Grade 4, it is the initial Super Saiyan form without the strain. It is achieved by becoming acclimated to the Super Saiyan form over an extended period of time. (Used by the Saiyans on Earth after training Super Saiyan)
"Mastered Super Saiyan" name doesn't exist. Only "Super Saiyan Full Power" and "Super Saiyan Grade 4". An idea that was seemingly abandoned after its introduction, as no other Saiyan displayed the difference between Super Saiyan and this mastered form.
Almighty Majin wrote: Sat Oct 19, 2024 7:17 pmSuper Saiyan 2 - A Super Saiyan ascended beyond a regular Super Saiyan. Think of it like the "Grade 2" variant of the Mastered Super Saiyan state. (Used by Goku, Vegeta, Gohan, Future Trunks, and the Universe 6 Saiyans)
Other users include: Bardock, future Gohan, Gogeta, Vegetto, Gotenks, Cell and Shallot. Goku Black uses the divine version of it, called Super Saiyan Rosé 2.
Almighty Majin wrote: Sat Oct 19, 2024 7:17 pmSuper Saiyan 3 - A Super Saiyan state that goes even further beyond. It is an overloaded form similar to the Grade 3 Super Saiyan state. Unlike Grade 3, it does not slow down the user, but it does drain stamina greatly. (Used by Goku and Gotenks)
Other users include: Bardock, Gohan, future Gohan, future Trunks, GT Trunks, Gogeta, Vegetto, Raditz, Nappa, Xeno Gohanks, Cumber and Shallot. Goku Black uses a divine version of it, called Super Saiyan Rosé 3.
Almighty Majin wrote: Sat Oct 19, 2024 7:17 pmEnhanced Super Saiyan 2 - A boosted variant of the Super Saiyan 2 state equaling or surpassing Super Saiyan 3. Achieved through rigorous training and improving the basic Super Saiyan 2 form. Alternatively accessed through sheer rage. (Used by Vegeta and Future Trunks)
Do we know if in Vegeta's case it is even a permanent thing or if it was just a thing caused by the rage of the moment? I don't remember this being ever brought up again. In Trunks' case it's a power-up thing that he seemingly can activate or deactivate on command.
Almighty Majin wrote: Sat Oct 19, 2024 7:17 pmGolden Oozaru - A Saiyan who has achieved Super Saiyan can become a Golden Oozaru by looking at the full moon. (Used by Goku against Bebi)
People tend to forget but Baby Vegeta also used Golden Oozaru against Super Saiyan 4 Goku. I remember Vegeta addressing this in the Evil Dragons saga, but I don't remember what he said exactly.
Almighty Majin wrote: Sat Oct 19, 2024 7:17 pmSuper Saiyan 4 - A Golden Oozaru that can retain their mental faculties and control their power compresses down to the Super Saiyan 4 state. (Used by Goku and Vegeta in GT)
Other users include: Gogeta, Bardock, GT/Xeno Gohan and Xeno Vegetto.
Almighty Majin wrote: Sat Oct 19, 2024 7:17 pmFull Power Super Saiyan 4 - A Super Saiyan 4 that absorbs an abundant amount of energy, making it their own and powering up beyond their original power. (Used by Goku against Bebi and Omega Shenron)
What Goku uses against Baby Vegeta is Super Saiyan 4 Full Power. And what he uses against One-Star Dragon is Super Full Power Saiyan 4. I believe Dragon Ball Legends recently (well, not that recently) made that distinction. These two forms seemingly aren't quite the same, if I remember correctly.
Almighty Majin wrote: Sat Oct 19, 2024 7:17 pmSuper Saiyan 4 Limit Breaker - A form achieved by surpassing the limits of Super Saiyan 4. (Used by Xeno Goku and Xeno Vegeta in Heroes)
The actual name is Super Full Power Saiyan 4: Limit Breaker. So it's related to Super Full Power Saiyan 4, not Super Saiyan 4 Full Power.

Other users include: Xeno Gogeta and Xeno Vegetto.
Almighty Majin wrote: Sat Oct 19, 2024 7:17 pmAdditional notes:
Super Saiyan Rose is a unique form taken on by Saiyans who are natural gods like Goku Black.
Legendary/Berserker Super Saiyan is a unique mutation of the Super Saiyan forms.
Certain limit breaking forms like Super Saiyan Rage, Super Saiyan 4 Limit Breaker, and Super Saiyan Blue Evolved are likely accessed via the Saiyan Spirit Boost power up that I described earlier.
You forgot to mention Super Saiyan Rosé Full Power. We don't know what it is, but based on the design, it seems to be a "Super Saiyan 3.5". The hair is as long as a Super Saiyan 3, it has eyebrows and a tail. So it's almost like as if Goku Black is going into Super Saiyan 4.

There is also Super Saiyan 4 Full Power that only Broly has it. We don't know if it has any relation to Super Saiyan 4 Full Power that Goku uses in Dragon Ball GT.

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Re: Making Sense of Saiyan Transformations and Power Ups

Post by dbgtFO » Sun Oct 20, 2024 6:19 pm

Grimlock wrote: Sat Oct 19, 2024 8:48 pm
Almighty Majin wrote: Sat Oct 19, 2024 7:17 pmPartial Super Saiyan - After mastering Super Saiyan, a Saiyan can partially use the power of Super Saiyan in their base form. Could be thought of as the mastered and refined variant of the False Super Saiyan state. (Used by Goku in the Other World)
What the heck is that!?
The infamous "pseudo" Super Saiyan incident when Goku takes on the Ginyu Force in Hell and Toei changed it from the preview from the last episode showing him in regular Super Saiyan.

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Re: Making Sense of Saiyan Transformations and Power Ups

Post by Grimlock » Tue Oct 22, 2024 6:25 am

dbgtFO wrote: Sun Oct 20, 2024 6:19 pmThe infamous "pseudo" Super Saiyan incident when Goku takes on the Ginyu Force in Hell and Toei changed it from the preview from the last episode showing him in regular Super Saiyan.
Oh hell, I had completely forgotten about that. Still, I don't think that was acknowledged as a form, so I don't know why would people do it.

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Re: Making Sense of Saiyan Transformations and Power Ups

Post by theherodjl » Thu Oct 24, 2024 5:24 am

It's a little funny to me how a simple artistic decision to make Goku's hair easier to ink would end up creating a convoluted series of powers ups involving hair getting longer & spikier, growing all over the body, or changing color several times. I kinda wonder what would happen if the Saiyans were hairless? Maybe the "Super Saiyan" would just be a giant humanoid, growing akin to Oozaru except just giant versions of their regular selves?
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