kemuri07 wrote: Sat Oct 26, 2024 3:29 pm
It's been three episodes, and literally Goku's first encounter with anyone in a fight. The idea that he should already be thrown in a life-and-death battle seems kind of....dumb?
Some people started watching Dragon Ball with Z and Kai and they expect to have something like the death battle against Raditz in the beginning. It's just not Daima. Neither DB, GT and Super started that way. Battle shonens usually don't start with serious battles like that.
Daima pacing however could be better.
A world without Dragon Ball is just boring.
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So previously Goku was talking about adjusting to his smaller body, which is fine. But in this episode, they introduce a new element with the gas from the volcanoes messing with the physics. It was weird that when the bar fight occurs they brush that off and Goku just comments on how he's getting used to his small body. So what happened to the gas? Or does it not apply in-doors? I thought it would be an element that would factor into the fighting and Goku would have to learn it.
(it's also weird that he has to simultaneously get used to both his smaller body and the gas at the same time, meaning that when he returns to Earth he will have to adjust again)
Also, the fart jokes were... ugh.
Those were the only things that bothered me, though.
Jord wrote: Sun Oct 27, 2024 10:13 am
The first episode of Z has a lot more action with Gohan's adventure and Raditz arrival.
Is Gohan running around in the woods action anyone wants to watch though...? We spend about twenty minutes learning that Goku has a son and that there's some sort of mysterious visitor.
By contrast, a lot more happens in Daima Episode 1. We also get the flashy Boo arc recaps.
I really think anyone who doesn't remember just how dull Z Episode 1 is needs to go rewatch it. Gohan running around in the woods lasts forever. And then for some reason they near copied its formula for Super Episode 1, in which we follow Trunks and Goten's dull quest for Videl's present and we get a brief introduction to the actual plot.
Jord wrote: Sun Oct 27, 2024 10:13 am
The first episode of Z has a lot more action with Gohan's adventure and Raditz arrival.
What? No.
Gohan pointlessly meandering in a forest for most of the episode's runtime isn't action, nor does that compare to Daima episode 1's actual action sequences like the recap or Goku and Vegeta's sparring match. Not that any of this matters, since this has nothing to do with what makes for an engaging episode.
All three of these first Daima episodes are perfect for what the show is actually trying to accomplish, which is introducing an entirely new world with a new set of villains and a conspiracy plot to kick everything off.
Envy wrote: Sat Oct 26, 2024 8:05 pm
So previously Goku was talking about adjusting to his smaller body, which is fine. But in this episode, they introduce a new element with the gas from the volcanoes messing with the physics. It was weird that when the bar fight occurs they brush that off and Goku just comments on how he's getting used to his small body. So what happened to the gas? Or does it not apply in-doors? I thought it would be an element that would factor into the fighting and Goku would have to learn it.
(it's also weird that he has to simultaneously get used to both his smaller body and the gas at the same time, meaning that when he returns to Earth he will have to adjust again)
Also, the fart jokes were... ugh.
Those were the only things that bothered me, though.
He literally said at the beginning of the fight that it was hard to move, then did a quick stretch, then move normally too show that Goku is really good at adapting. Do people watch this show blindfolded?
The chemistry between Goku and Kaioshin carries this episode hard, because this episode struggled to have the right balance of characterisation and exposition. I dig the lore that Daima is giving, but it's missing some fresh personality to compensate for the lore dumps it likes giving regularly.
They seem to be setting up Glorio as a central character and I pray they have a substantial character arc planned for him because he has been a dull character so far.
I didn't care for the Goldfish joke and I hated the fart joke.
The bar fight felt like it was adapted straight out of a Toriyama comic. So, at the very least, the show continues to be aesthetically pleasing.
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Lord Beerus wrote: Sun Oct 27, 2024 5:33 pm
They seem to be setting up Glorio as a central character and I pray they have a substantial character arc planned for him because he has been a dull character so far.
I can't help but think that this is going to happen eventually...
fevan wrote: Sun Oct 27, 2024 9:02 pm
Third episode of Dragon Ball GT, they enter a hotel.
Third episode of Dragon Ball Daima, they enter a hotel.
Do what you must with this information.
Grasping at straws so hard.
At his core Zamasu is good like Shin, though I guess you could say he was so fastidious that it backfired. But you know, for this "Future Trunks Arc" you had to depict Zamasu and Trunks' inner conflict, right? If this was back when I was drawing the manga myself then I doubt if I could have done it. I mean, I'm not very good at depicting the characters' psychology on the page. So this all came together because now I only have to think up the story. [...] On my own, I doubt I would have been able to express Zamasu's fall to the dark side.
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Am I the only person who feels like this episode has basically thrust Goku into a Dragon Quest game?
There are a few really interesting things going on from a genre point of view, which I think I will need a few more episodes to get a better handle of.
From a very 'meta' perspective it feels like Toriyama wanted to go back and write a sequel to Dragonball that was truly his - keeping in mind that Battle of Gods became his but was not his initial plot, and that Super emerged from Toei with him contributing story direction and character designs.
Obviously the GT similarities in regards to the premise are hard to ignore, but it all feels so deliberate in how the direction is pushing everything into a Toriyama world that is straight out of his aesthetic imagination.
If you take away the two recognisable characters from this episode, it really could be Dragon Quest. It could be Sand Land. This feels like something where someone is deliberately saying to the world: 'I am not taking a brief for this project. This is me, and this is what the inside of my head looks like'.
Obviously with his passing it all takes a very different complexion and lends itself to all sorts of interpretations, but I really feel like there is a sense that Toriyama is basically using this vehicle as a way to provide an overture on his entire career.
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fevan wrote: Sun Oct 27, 2024 9:02 pm
Third episode of Dragon Ball GT, they enter a hotel.
Third episode of Dragon Ball Daima, they enter a hotel.
Do what you must with this information.
Grasping at straws so hard.
Grasping at straws? Bro, it's a hotel joke. I guess you think I'm out here with a corkboard connecting Daima to GT or something. But hey if that's your theory, don't let me stop you.
Lord Beerus wrote: Sun Oct 27, 2024 5:33 pm
The chemistry between Goku and Kaioshin carries this episode hard, because this episode struggled to have the right balance of characterisation and exposition. I dig the lore that Daima is giving, but it's missing some fresh personality to compensate for the lore dumps it likes giving regularly.
They seem to be setting up Glorio as a central character and I pray they have a substantial character arc planned for him because he has been a dull character so far.
I didn't care for the Goldfish joke and I hated the fart joke.
The bar fight felt like it was adapted straight out of a Toriyama comic. So, at the very least, the show continues to be aesthetically pleasing.
Yea I guess I can agree with that, its not a huge deal thats ruining the show for me but I do find the exposition to be delivered in a way thats a little bit boring and unnatural
