Dragon Ball Daima: Episode 7 - Official Discussion Thread

[Chuquita]

Yeah, I don't see anyone actually dying in this show with how light they've been playing it, it just popped up because I see the db implanted in the Tamagami's chest and think of the shadow dragons from GT even though that's apples and oranges.

[theherodjl]

Despite having a lighter tone than DBS, I'm actually enjoying DB Daima more than I did the past few arcs of DBS. I quite like the exploration of the demon realm and it's lore behind many different characters & places throughout the story, as opposed to just having another really strong bad guy appear and Goku & Vegeta needing to learn 'Ultra Full Power Limit Breaker Super Saiyan 3 God Evolved Beyond Instinct/Ego' or whatever in order to win.
DB Daima is a return to Toriyama's simpler & zanier story telling, and I'm all for it.

[Jord]

I'm wondering how the big fight next episode will be. I would like to see some great action but I have a feeling it will be some kind of comedy based thing, where Goku beats him by tickling him or something.

[nineko]

I also think that it's not going to be a matter of brute strength, and it's going to require some clever strategy at the very least, some gimmicky winning condition, which might indeed be the cause for them having never been defeated even by strong fighters such as Dabura. It might even turn out to be as simple as Goku saying "I just want to be your friend" or something, or them resorting to use rock-paper-scissors.

[Noah]

Probably the slowest episode of these last few ones

• So unlike in DBGT, this Goku, even nerfed, can still use Shunkan Idou? Interesting, way better than imagining Goku somehow succeded hiding in the plane

• Pretty cool to see Nahare in action after who knows how many (real world) years since the Boo arc, but the question is... did they kill those guards after taking down their planes?

• When Nahare explained what the material of Panzy’s collar was made of, I thought it’d be impossible to break, until him casually asked if she wanted that lol

• I’d have preferred Tamagami No. 3 to have a more serious vibe, but it’s a classic Toriyama thing to have antagonists act like that

• NEP makes it seem like the next episode will be really action packed, so let's wait and see

[FiReFTW]

We also confirmed that Tamagamis are more powerful than Dabura / Perfect Cell.

Now now, theres absolutely no proof that Tamagamis are stronger than Perfect Cell.

They are stronger than Demon King Dabura (Not Majin Dabura which is much stronger thanks to babidi's magic)

And even Majin Dabura was said to not be as strong as Perfect Cell, since Goku said that he doesn't think Majin Dabura is that tough and he continued to say: "many years ago we fought a guy named Cell, now he was powerful."

So its safe to assume Perfect Cell > Majin Dabura > Demon King Dabura

Tamagamis > Demon King Dabura

But Tamagamis > Majin Dabura and Tamagamis > Perfect Cell ?

Well theres just no proof that its the case.

And also it depends on which Tamagami, I'm sure they are not equally strong, I'm almost 100% sure that :

Tamagami 1 > Tamagami 2 > Tamagami 3

[Rory]

This is the first episode that ended, and my reaction was literal "No!".
Another banger but the fact that the Tamagami is right there and we're ready to go was such a painful cliffhanger to leave me on. Finally someone who can give Goku a run for his money, I'm so excited to see it.
Said it before, but it's so great to actually have a quality show to watch as a Dragon Ball fan again.

I have a feeling it will be some kind of comedy based thing, where Goku beats him by tickling him or something.

We can only hope!

[Majin Buu]

I would like to see a Kai-type cut of this show, that cuts out all the lore dumps and padding. We may finally see our first major fight next week though, so that could be exciting. If this show does have 20 episodes though, I hope that the pacing and action picks up soon.

Daima doesn't need a Kai cut, it just needs to be binged instead of weekly, and I think that might be the reason why it was originally gonna be a web anime, completely dumped all the episodes in one go

This was on my mind before I watched this episode and I decided that when Daima is finished, I'm going to go back and binge it from start to finish to see if the pacing feels better. Because I've seen that said about the Tournament of Power for example: It was a slog to watch week to week, but much better when you can binge it; and having binge-watched it myself on a first-time viewing, I can definitely see how that arc would have been a slog to get through on a weekly basis.

As for this episode, we got more action with them being stopped by and eventually fighting the royal guard. Amongst other things- We finally see Kaioshin fight. He looks like a competent fighter. He said all the Kaioshin were stronger than Freeza back in the Buu arc, they were probably better fighters than him too, based on this.

Also, Kaioshin has a real name- Nahare, that's cool. He has a name his people gave him and a name he goes by in the outer world. That's a common thing in the real world so that's a neat detail that makes Shin more relatable. And yeah, "Shin" as a personal name for him always felt weird since it was introduced as an implied alias in the Buu arc. I'll probably continue referring to him as Kaioshin like Goku though. He doesn't seem too particular on how people refer to him.

Loved Panzy being freed from her collar. It was touching to see her released from that burden. I also loved how Kaioshin was all like "wanna have it removed?" after all her expositing on how much is sucks having it on her. Great comedic timing.

Our first boss fight is at hand with Tamagami Number 3. I'm looking forward to it. I love the showdown vibe going on with the fight taking place amidst some nameless ruins in a sunset-like landscape. Gorgeously animated too. I like that he has a personality. Dragon Ball characters tend to be bland and boring when they lack characterization so I'm all for this. This does make me curious if all three are gonna have the same personality or if they're gonna be different.

Team B has arrived. Great. They're still playing catch up though.

[Koitsukai]

Tamagami 1 was seen already, and he seemed more polite than 3. But I have not gone back to that episode, so maybe my memory is playing tricks on me.

I wonder how the dragon will look like. I think we'll also learn next week just how nerfed they were by the wish.

It's so satisfying to have a weekly injection of DB instead of the monthly one from the manga, even though I enjoyed the manga very much.

[StaticMania]

Maybe it's the difference between the creator simply saying good job vs. a challenger approaching and talking to it.

The first world's Tamagami simply bowed at Neva after being complimented.

[bahhma]

Goku admitting he had little involvement raising his kids is gonna trigger a certain part of the community that's been defending him as a great dad. lol.

Me, lmfao. Goku is just being modest

[StaticMania]

A thought based on random internet comment...(maybe it was mentioned here too)

The amount of time dedicated to losing methods of transportation: I saw someone mention how often it happened in the first arc of Dragon Ball as well.

Up to the point of the climax or...reaching Pilaf; the final conflict, the heroes had lost their vehicle(s) 4 times total. By the final time they lost a vehicle they were already in the end game. All 7 Dragon Balls in one location in the hands of the last villain.

In Daima, 7 episodes, we have a similar situation...Goku & co. lose their first vehicle immediately after arriving to the demon realm, basically before they even start the adventure. Then they get a short form method of transportation in the next episode. In episode 5 they get another plane that immediately crashes, but episode 6 shows that it's essentially a non-issue. Finally in episode 7 their plane gets destroyed, but they immediately steal a plane from Demon-Pol upon which they arrive at the Dragon Ball with no trouble. They pretty much only lost 2 vehicles and one temporary mode of transportation.

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I think people's problem with this redundancy in comparison to the original...is that the things coming from these inconveniences haven't been "as" entertaining. We either aren't getting much interesting conflict or we aren't meeting many interesting characters.

In the original series...Blooma didn't lose her stuff until after they got 2 Dragon Balls and met Oolong. In Daima, they lost the plane before even set a goal for themselves.

There is a difference there.

But another difference is that it may not be as humorous in its repetition. In the original Oolong secretly had a camper vehicle they all slept in, but they didn't use it for travel...in fact Yamucha just blew it up then showed up later to give them a car which was pretty funny. In Daima they met a quirky shop keep and he gave them that sky seed...but nothing funny came of them actually using that, it simply got them closer to wherever they were going.

[Lord Beerus]

I have to start questioning the central gimmick of Daima of the main cast having child-like bodies if Goku can still transform into Super Saiyan and perform the Shunkan Idō with no issue. I mean, I thought part of the charm of "nerfing" Goku and the gang would be that they would have to use their wits and improvise with the de-sized bodies and overcome obstacles and challenges. But that really hasn't happened. It feels less like the main cast are going into any given confrontation not with a serious handicap but a minor inconvenience with how much a non-threat the antagonists have been so far. I hope that may change, but with how much the show initially made a big deal of how much the main cast being children would hinder their capabilities in battle or moving the plot forward, that hasn't really been the case at all. Again, I wasn't expecting Daima's narrative to be a life or-death situation, because at this point in Dragon Ball, it's impossible to create those kinds of stakes with any earnestness, but some level of tension and/or drama would be appreciated.

That being said... this episode was very charming, well-written and one of the best of the show so far. This episode once again did a great job of interweaving lore of the demon world.

Panzy is quickly becoming my favourite character in the show and with how Dragon Ball has historically sucked at writing female characters, she has been a pleasant surprise.

This episode was legitimately the best-written Kaioshin has been in decades. It was nice to see Kaoshin in action after being sidelined for literally decades, and being the one the break the necklace Panzy was a nice character moment that, leading up to it, also provided some neat lore of the demon world and of Nahare Kaioshin himself. Good work, Daima!

The plot progression was much better than last week, where in that episode it felt like the narrative ground to a halt. The supporting cast have entered the main narrative and we've already gotten the first Tamagami battle.

Great stuff Daima! Keep it up!

[dbgtFO]

And even Majin Dabura was said to not be as strong as Perfect Cell, since Goku said that he doesn't think Majin Dabura is that tough and he continued to say: "many years ago we fought a guy named Cell, now he was powerful."

No, that's not what Goku said back then. He actually thought Cell and Dabra would be about the same strength.

[VegettoEX]

Ok...

I've never heard it used in that specific way, but I understand.

You'll have to forgive me for not believing this for one second.

Don't let yourself be censored. You stayed on topic with legitimate criticism, word be damned.

If you're unable to give basic criticism of character designs in a children's television show without slipping a slur in there, your criticism isn't worth entertaining at all.

This can't be any more transparent, folks. You might have been born yesterday, but I wasn't.

[StaticMania]

Ok...

I've never heard it used in that specific way, but I understand.

You'll have to forgive me for not believing this for one second.

Don't let yourself be censored. You stayed on topic with legitimate criticism, word be damned.

If you're unable to give basic criticism of character designs in a children's television show without slipping a slur in there, your criticism isn't worth entertaining at all.

This can't be any more transparent, folks. You might have been born yesterday, but I wasn't.

I've heard the phrase "No Homo"...but I've never heard that specific word used in any other context that could be considered derogatory, it's not the type of thing that'd stick with me if I'd had.

And my comment about the Tamagami was pretty light, It wasn't meant to be criticism that they all look similar...it was just an observation. I wasn't really thinking about it before we met the 3rd one.

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I got it, it's extremely unlikely to happen again regardless.

[goku the krump dancer]

While some things were monotonous, I do feel like we finally hit a point of real story progression. Unless each Demon World is VASTLY different from the other than I think the exploratory, “world building”, info dump part of the story is more or less done and any story progression from here on out is largely HOPEFULLY more character driven.


So Goku is gonna actually fight at least the first part of the match with Tomi-3 using the Nyoibo, I think this is the first major one on one fight using weapons since the Garlic Jr movie.

Also I hope we’re done with some of these running Gags for a while. Goku has been “hungry” in literally every episode so far and in this one they combined him being hungry and having to poop at the same time.. Please put these gags on ice for a bit.

[Hugo Boss]

Where would he te'port to?

They can't between demon worlds, remember? And the Tamagami probably don't actively output Ki when not activated...if they have Ki at all.

Couldn’t he just detect the people in that general vicinity? As long as he knows the direction he can search for Ki signatures

I was under the impression that the demon realm's citizens do not have kid to sense.

Actually, Goku can sense and lock onto Nahare’s energy signature with his teleportation, as seen during this episode. This confirms that even glinds have ki, though it might be unique in nature and difficult to measure. Similarly, while most Daima Realm inhabitants may not use or cultivate Ki in martial arts, they likely still possess some form of it, as all living beings in Dragon Ball do.

[JulieYBM]

Couldn’t he just detect the people in that general vicinity? As long as he knows the direction he can search for Ki signatures

I was under the impression that the demon realm's citizens do not have kid to sense.

Actually, Goku can sense and lock onto Nahare’s energy signature with his teleportation, as seen during this episode. This confirms that even glinds have ki, though it might be unique in nature and difficult to measure. Similarly, while most Daima Realm inhabitants may not use or cultivate Ki in martial arts, they likely still possess some form of it, as all living beings in Dragon Ball do.

Well, yeah. I'm thinking specifically those living in the Demon Realm right now, not the Kaiou-shin. Everyone in the Demon Realm probably relies on magic, rather than ki, so it wouldn't really be possibly to sense out ki.

Shrug. Maybe I'm straight up missing something.

[StaticMania]

There was a conversation that was only brought up due to Goku sensing Majin that were about to ambush them.

I don't think there's meant to be an actual distinction between Ki and Magic, but it's just a different phraseology...a lot of Ki based attacks are pretty much just magic anyway. And it might be like how Vegeta & Freeza didn't refer to their abilities in such a way.

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They could go crazier with this, but what we've seen so far...Panzy's levitation and Glorio's electric whip energy "thing" don't seem too different.