Dragon Ball Daima: Episode 10 - Official Discussion Thread

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Dragon Ball Daima: Episode 10

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Kanzenshuu Episode Guide Page:

https://www.kanzenshuu.com/episode/daima/eps-010/

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Release Information:

JAPAN:
Date: December 13, 2024
Time: 11:40 p.m
Channel: Fuji TV

INTERNATIONAL STREAMING:
Date: December 13, 2024
Sources: Simulcast streams include Crunchyroll (North America, Central America, South America, Europe, Africa, Australia, New Zealand, Indian subcontinent, Southeast Asia, and Middle East); delayed streams include Netflix (Asia/global)

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[Xeogran]

All the lore drops this episode.. well, there is LOTS to stomach now
Welcome back, Gowasu

[JulieYBM]

Dragon Ball Daima finally dropped some actually important lore today:





Also, damn, I was not expecting that much dense animation from this episode. It's almost becoming hilarious how many storyboards Yashima has done for Dragon Ball Daima, though.

EDIT: Argh, I'm such a boob! I meant to say, I really loved seeing Panzy get her heroic moment! Rescuing the Dragon Ball at the cost of her own life! I need more moments like this!

[LightBing]

A lot to unpack here.
I'll have to give a rewatch to parse everything right.

Now it makes sense why the Demon Realm is so important, it existed before all the Universes!
The Glinds eminent extinction is sad. I wonder if it will be a plot point or it's just lore.

Majin Kuu is great! Hope he gets to do more.

[AliTheZombie13]

Good:
- Okay, Majin Kuu. You've been redeemed in my eyes.
- Vegeta preferring that Bulma is an adult with big boobs is the only shred of personality he got in years.
- Panzy being MVP is short, but well appreciated.
- Finally, the whole gang's together.
- Zen'o has been retconned. Sorry, Super... Actually, not sorry, I'm happy you don't matter to this continuity.

Bad:
- "The air here isn't heavy." Why get rid of your one limitation, Daima? Well, maybe it's because it never really mattered.
- Oh no, they got swallowed whole. Would indeed be a terrible thing if Goku couldn't teleport. Come to think of it, can't Shin teleport, too? He doesn't even need Ki. Why does everyone in this show forget they can teleport?
- Goku telling them that they need to prioritize the Dragon Balls and he's worried about Dende like... Huh??? Didn't you just tell your friends yesterday, "Eh, I don't care, I just wanna fight. You guys go grab the DBs or whatever!"
- "Should we take a break and wait for the others?" (sigh) Who's writing this? For the sake of Toriyama's memory, I will pretend the last episode never happened. It feels like one half of this series is the actual show, and the other half is probably one of the writers from Super creating pointless scenes with Goku being an unlikable moron just to pad out the runtime.

Misc:
- "I could make you my girlfriend." Aaaaaand my hopes that the new character was gay-coded just flew off the window.
- "It was my father who lived here." How would you know?! I thought you came to Earth with no memories of your parents. And I thought your father was in Namek during a calamity or something.

[nato25]

Dragon Ball Daima finally dropped some actually important lore today:





Also, damn, I was not expecting that much dense animation from this episode. It's almost becoming hilarious how many storyboards Yashima has done for Dragon Ball Daima, though.

Lol that's what piccolo was referring too!!! I actually didn't understand that Piccolo line in the context of the episode.

I feel like the common comment from this episode is now we have whiplash from the pacing shift. We've gone from 8 episodes in the third demon realm to getting to the second demon realm in about a minute, Majin kuu losing to the tamigami (which is a nice story beat) and now the nep has Vegeta going up against Tamigami 2 already. Very strange.

Was a good episode overall. I thought pansy was going back for all her junk again but nice to see she was thinking ahead with the dragon ball. Goku could have just teleported out of that ship to the supreme kai though surely.

And I'm really going to have to back over all this lore now. I don't like they're doing some things via super (like all the glind looks matching the Tournament of Power glinds) but then there's a new highest universe power completely seperate from zenoh? What is going on, is it that hard to remain consistent with your other lore in a short series? I'm very confused.

[PerhapsTheOtherOne]

Seems like the Second Demon World is where the most important races in the Universes came from.

Rymus being the creator of the Universes, and hailing from the Demon Realm, is quite the major revelation. There's also a bit of a sombre tone from the fact that the Kaioshin are actually limited in population and will die out eventually. Makes me wonder if perhaps they'll rectify that somehow, perhaps even by way of creating the Kaiju Tree from the original guidebooks?

Also, Hybis continues to be such an amazing source of comedy, pointing out how Vegeta likes Bulma's bombing body and prefers her being older for that.

[JulieYBM]

Rymus looks like the Zen-ou, so I wouldn't be surprised at all if we learn that Zen-ou is reincarnated from Rymus somehow, similar to Piccolo.

[Neo-Makaiōshin]

Good:
- Zen'o has been retconned. Sorry, Super... Actually, not sorry, I'm happy you don't matter to this continuity.

Not necesarily, Zen'O can still take the role of highest authority from this Rymus guy sometime after Daima.

[Xeogran]

Would it make sense to say that Rymus is the highest authority speficially in Universe 7, while Zeno is the ruler of the entire Multiverse?

[AliTheZombie13]

Would it make sense to say that Rymus is the highest authority speficially in Universe 7, while Zeno is the ruler of the entire Multiverse?

Shin says Rymus created all the universes, so... no.

[Neo-Makaiōshin]

Shin says Rymus created all the universes, so... no.

Rymus created stuff in the universe, but Zen0h technically lives outside the known universe, so...

[Xeogran]

Would it make sense to say that Rymus is the highest authority speficially in Universe 7, while Zeno is the ruler of the entire Multiverse?

Shin says Rymus created all the universes, so... no.

Oh, that's wild then. Maybe he's Zeno's dad or someting.
I really didn't want anyone to be above Zeno (because IMO we already have a bloated God hierarchy as is), as it now begs the question why these guys never appeared in Super especially during all these major events. And why even THEY did nothing when Zamasu was wrecking the entire timeline.

The Supreme Demon King guy even has a sword, so he's clearly a fighter too.

[The Iron Fjord]

This episode is now the best episode of Daima so far, dethroning Episode 8. Majin Kuu vs Tamagami #1 (who is voiced by Dio Brando's VA I think) was a nice little fight, not the best so far, but enjoyable, with Kuu's dancing antics and Buu-inspired moves. I'm still pretty neutral on his design, but his character is a fun little goofball, compared to the edgelord most fanart of him was making him out to be. I hope Arinsu doesn't get rid of him.


The scene where Goku was knocking down the Secret Police planes reminded me both of Goku killing RRA soldiers, and the Ocean Dub whenever Nappa blew up those helicopters

Look! I can see their parachutes, they're okay.

The Kraken scene was actually pretty tense, I even shouted "THE DRAGON BALL, DON'T FORGET THE DRAGON BALL", and for a second there I actually thought Panzy was gonna die, or her and Goku would get eaten and they would have to spend the episode getting out, but no, they're fine.

The lore dump about Nameks and Glinds was also pretty interesting that there's ANOTHER GOD responsible for creating the universes, and getting the Glind refugees to take care of them. I ALSO GOT TO SEE MY BOY GOWASU AFTER SO LONG!

This Glind lore dump is DEFINITELY being uploaded to my GodTube channel.

The pacing for this episode was break-neck which is a surprise. Vegeta's fighting Tamagami 2 next week, Neva is silently watching, and Gomah is loudly watching. Arinsu is heading back to the drawing board with Kuu and sadly it looks like we're drawing closer and closer to the eventual conclusion of Daima. All the speculation, all the discourse, discussion, opinions, memes made me really miss having weekly Dragon Ball to talk about, and I'm gonna be sad when Daima's done. Even if Super 2 comes out, it won't be the same, because everything would be set in stone, and if Toei even does come out with another original Dragon Ball series, it will lack the Toriyama magic.

[AliTheZombie13]

Rewatching the episode, I just noticed Rymus chose Shin to be the Kaioshin of Universe 7... What??? What happened to the other 5 Kaioshins who lived with him??? What happened to the Old Kaioshin who preceeded him 15 generations past??????!!!!

[StaticMania]

Rewatching the episode, I just noticed Rymus chose Shin to be the Kaioshin of Universe 7... What??? What happened to the other 5 Kaioshins who lived with him??? What happened to the Old Kaioshin who preceeded him 15 generations past??????!!!!

I think them not creating new one-off designs is messing with the visual representation, he then says afterwards that he didn't immediately leave and was chosen as a Supreme Kai later.

[AliTheZombie13]

Rewatching the episode, I just noticed Rymus chose Shin to be the Kaioshin of Universe 7... What??? What happened to the other 5 Kaioshins who lived with him??? What happened to the Old Kaioshin who preceeded him 15 generations past??????!!!!

I think them not creating new one-off designs is messing with the visual representation, he then says afterwards that he didn't immediately leave and was chosen as a Supreme Kai later.

So Gowasu and the other Kaioshins from Super are not canon?

[JulieYBM]

Gowasu and other Kaioushin are literally in this episode of Daima, though?

[Jack Bz]

This is some of the craziest lore we have had in Dragon Ball in a LONG time. I'm actually so confused at the implications of Rymus. His design is similar to Zeno but an old man, so maybe Zeno is his child or he got turned into a child by the super dragon balls or something (still awaiting an explanation of how the super DBs could possibly fit into the new lore). Daima seems to be retconning Super but also adding little hints that the world Super introduced still exists, with the multiple universes, showing Gowasu etc.

Also...am I wrong or did Goku say that he's not strong enough to beat a Kraken? That's pretty crazy. Kraken > super saiyan 3/majin boo confirmed?

Come to think of it, can't Shin teleport, too? He doesn't even need Ki. Why does everyone in this show forget they can teleport?

This was a Dragon Ball Super retcon that Daima has corrected. Teleportation was Kibito's ability in Dragon Ball and I am 90% sure Toriyama misremembered it as being a kaioshin ability when it came to super.

[AliTheZombie13]

Gowasu and other Kaioushin are literally in this episode of Daima, though?

As a visual representation only, apparently.
If that's the case, Redgic is canonically a part of the Freeza Force. GT can still happen

This is some of the craziest lore we have had in Dragon Ball in a LONG time. I'm actually so confused at the implications of Rymus. His design is similar to Zeno but an old man, so maybe Zeno is his child or he got turned into a child by the super dragon balls or something (still awaiting an explanation of how the super DBs could possibly fit into the new lore). Daima seems to be retconning Super but also adding little hints that the world Super introduced still exists, with the multiple universes, showing Gowasu etc.

As long as Goku doesn't in/directly cause timelines to be wiped out in this continuity, I'm happy.