The various sets of Dragon Balls at this point

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Re: The various sets of Dragon Balls at this point

Post by Grimlock » Fri Dec 27, 2024 8:21 am

I should probably add:

• Toronbo respects someone's decisions. Monaito makes a wish to transport Bardock back to Vegeta but Bardock refuses, so Toronbo doesn't teleport him, as per the Saiyan's decision. This is in contrast with Shenlong, who teleports Broly back to where he was before going to Earth.

• Dark Shenlong takes some time to grant Mechikabura's wish to restore him to his prime, due to his huge power.

• Shenlong has a space limitation, as per Dragon Ball Super. He can't locate a Super Dragon Ball and says that it's because the Universe is huge.
Cold Skin wrote: Sat Dec 21, 2024 12:52 pm- Cannot properly bring someone back with their body intact if a long time has gone by since their death and the body was mutilated.
We don't know that. It's not like Freeza's soldier asked him to bring back Freeza prior to being cut into pieces. They didn't specify it, so it's possible that Shenlong could bring Freeza back with his body regenerated if they worded their wish properly.

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Re: The various sets of Dragon Balls at this point

Post by Cold Skin » Sun Dec 29, 2024 7:54 am

^ I'll try rephrasing the sentence to include "if asked to bring someone back to life" so that it covers the part of "maybe if he had asked in a different way...", since Shenron's reply was in response to Sorbet simply asking "bring back Master Freeza to life, please."

Adding your other points as well!

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Re: The various sets of Dragon Balls at this point

Post by Cold Skin » Mon Mar 31, 2025 10:18 am

Updated with the info from Daima!

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Re: The various sets of Dragon Balls at this point

Post by anubisj » Sat Apr 05, 2025 1:27 pm

Hey, I like this post, it's really interesting that each main series had at least a Dragon Ball set introduced.

A few more things to add, imo:

The Black Star Shenron is called Ultimate Shenron in some media, I also personally call its DBs the "Ultimate Dragon Balls" since it makes more sense than Black Star DBs (it's like calling the Super DBs, Planet DBs), but that's just my personal touch.

I would also add that it's like a Red Shenron with Blue eyes (you already described the size). You could also add the creators of each set. In this case, they were created by the Original Nameless Namekian God, before it got divided into Piccolo and Kami.

As for the Demon Realm Porunga, I would call it Ultimate Porunga, since it makes sense and helps differentiate from normal Porunga (doesn't matter that they didn't mention it in the anime, perhaps the characters involved didn't know and Neva didn't bother to correct them).

Finally, Dark Shenron is also pretty powerful, he sent Future Trunks flying with a single slap. In fact, Daima writers probably borrowed the idea of Ultimate Porunga hitting Gomah from that scene, it was the first instance of an Eternal Dragon actively attacking a being. He did it so Trunks wouldn't interfere with Mechikabura's wish, which seems to imply that Dark Shenron only grants wishes to evil beings.

Hope this helps, cheers. :D

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Re: The various sets of Dragon Balls at this point

Post by Cold Skin » Mon Apr 07, 2025 3:54 pm

^ Nice points.
I'll probably add the creators at some point, it's a nice touch.

I think we can't call stuff like the Demon Realm Dragon "Ultimate Polunga" just because we feel like it, the thread is supposed to gather the info we got from what is being clearly stated/shown. For Daima, the only source is actual dialogues from the episodes, and we should refrain from giving any name that is not the one officially stated and used by characters.

I've added the fact about Trunks being pushed back by Dark Shenron, similarly to what is said about the Demon Realm Polunga.

You're right about the black-star Dragon Balls, as the Chozenshu 4 calls those Dragon Balls "the ultimate Dragon Balls".

Added the bit about Red Shenron's name (which is actually just Shenron in the guides with a more specific Red Shenron sometimes) and his eyes which are actually not just blue but also yellow sometimes.

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Re: The various sets of Dragon Balls at this point

Post by Baggie_Saiyan » Tue Apr 08, 2025 11:48 am

Cold Skin wrote: Mon Apr 07, 2025 3:54 pm ^ Nice points.
I'll probably add the creators at some point, it's a nice touch.

I think we can't call stuff like the Demon Realm Dragon "Ultimate Polunga" just because we feel like it, the thread is supposed to gather the info we got from what is being clearly stated/shown. For Daima, the only source is actual dialogues from the episodes, and we should refrain from giving any name that is not the one officially stated and used by characters.

I've added the fact about Trunks being pushed back by Dark Shenron, similarly to what is said about the Demon Realm Polunga.

You're right about the black-star Dragon Balls, as the Chozenshu 4 calls those Dragon Balls "the ultimate Dragon Balls".

Added the bit about Red Shenron's name (which is actually just Shenron in the guides with a more specific Red Shenron sometimes) and his eyes which are actually not just blue but also yellow sometimes.
Yeah Bandai have just called him "Porunga" for merch too so that is his official name.

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