Dragon Ball Daima: Episode 13 - Official Discussion Thread

[Smilodon]

We just don't need this kind of episode.
The wrost episode in all dragon ball series.
Really sad with this gabage.

[JulieYBM]

Lol, any number of other episodes of Daima were worse than this one because at least Episode #13 has better directing, compared to any number of the episodes where Yashima was boarding and we were getting the sixty-nineth moment of Gokuu beating up a group of nameless mooks with zero charisma.

[StaticMania]

So much hyperbole.

What's the deal with that?

[Mr Baggins]

If they really had to do a Gokuu storyline this episode then at least shorten the action a bit so that you can make the scenes with Gomah and Arinsu feel more narratively complete or leave off on a more satisfying know.

I don't think Gomah or Arinsu would have contributed anything narratively here, so they're better off excluded this week. The episode didn't even particularly strike me as Goku-centric, although I guess he did get a lot of screentime in the first half.

The point I was making is that this episode is so fundamentally inconsequential overall that it shouldn't affect the overall viewing experience for revisits. It's entirely skippable, so people that don't like it aren't forced to watch it, and people that do enjoy it have a fun pitstop to check out if they want to watch Daima again. Contrary to what the other guy said, it's not "narrative-halting" at all because it's more or less optional content to begin with. It's just a zany little sidequest within a much larger journey.

I'm with you that it's entertaining. I don't agree that it's better than the other episodes, but it's still good fun.

[Koitsukai]

Well, I liked it and didn't like it. On its own, in a vacuum, it was a great looking, fun, adventure episode, it looked nice, characters made logical decisions, the obstacle seemed legit and so did the resolution. I mean, it wasn't Barry Kahn's two parter nor Fake Namek, right?

However, I was expecting something else, something more, specially with how the previous one ended, and also because of how desperate Gomah was in this one, not to mention turning off Warp-Sama. I even thought their ship broke down because of it, but now I'm not so sure. Although, things don't happen just because when we're talking about made up events.
I understand the show needed to back it up a little bit because the previous two were pure Stallone episodes, and the New Year's hiatus didn't help either. Last time they took a week off was to resume with Goku and Jiren going all out.
I think the episode could've kept the Warp-Sama shutdown for next week, it would've augmented the feeling of stranding and isolation on a dangerous planet.

The chubby guy, Hybrys I think, always delivers, he's Daima's Creed Bratton. Piccolo is still wallpaper, this time he could've stepped in with the excuse that Vegeta is exhausted and Goku needs to save himself for the big fight, and also to show off in front of Neva lol.

Sometimes I feel the GT nods are way too explicit, I mean MEGA planet? this giant looked a lot like GT's giant. But then, I liked GT and I'm liking these little tributes even if they go out of their way to do them.

Fun fact: Degesu wearing kaioshin clothes, I just noticed that. I thought those were some sort of divine clothes, but even low-class Glinds wear them.

[Koitsukai]

And one more thing, a ship insurance company would benefit greatly from opening a branch in the daimakai. How many transportation issues have they encountered by now? 4 in like a week?

[Saiya6Cit]

Oh wow many people disliked this episode. Weird.

I enjoyed it a lot. There might not be a "fights" but there is action for sure. The chasing of Goku got me at the edge of my seat! The animation was very well done and the music matched the action displayed.

It makes me wonder what are the expectations on some people who are watching Daima and think Daima is bad. It is true that for the main plot this episode could be considered a filler, then again, it is about an adventure in a fantasy land with our favorite characters; everyone is supposed to enjoy it (unless that such person does not like Glorio, Panzy, Kaioshin, Goku, Vegeta, Bulma, piccolo, old namekian guy and the round one...) but when it comes to a show that is family friendly rated, fun, entertaining with good music and quality animation that mantains beloved characters acting in character, Daima complies with all of that. People read fanmangas and fanfictions that are not even that good
but have huge fanbases because people want more DB but when Toei gives more DB, it is bad?
Daima is fun to watch. It is engaging. It is not perfect, nothing in real life is.

The giagantic world provides an interesting perspective, on why no one from there challenged the Dragon Ball gardian despite being hella strong... it is so tiny no one really cares! Imagine how they ignore the power of the dragon balls and how they would react to cell and freezer... cause they are small to them... like insects hahahha

The dog was so ugly it made it hard to watch the episode at times, it was ugly as attack on titan monsters Ewww I was expecting pokemon-like creatures but instead we got that ugly doge. Such is life.

Waiting to see next episode

[Gogetason]

Couldnt Goku, vegeta and piccolo just go out and lift the ship before it crashed into the forest? Did Toei Akira suddenly forget how strong and fast these characters have become?

Also whats up with Goku saying its mean to hit hamster, this is a character that grew up basically a wild boy killing and eating any animal he comes across. I cant imagine someone like that not wanting to hit an animal to protect himself, and running around screaming like that.

Honestly, this is vaguely similar to dragon ball; Feels like they just took db characters and put them in a different cartoon.

[JulieYBM]

Couldnt Goku, vegeta and piccolo just go out and lift the ship before it crashed into the forest? Did Toei Akira suddenly forget how strong and fast these characters have become?

Also whats up with Goku saying its mean to hit hamster, this is a character that grew up basically a wild boy killing and eating any animal he comes across. I cant imagine someone like that not wanting to hit an animal to protect himself, and running around screaming like that.

Honestly, this is vaguely similar to dragon ball; Feels like they just took db characters and put them in a different cartoon.

People change over the decades. It's not that huge a leap to make that Gokuu perhaps thinks differently of how he treats animals now.

[Koitsukai]

Goku was also fighting predators and carnivores as a kid, hamsters are thought to be cute little shits that cough too much and explode, although I believe they are motherfuckers, or am I thinking of koala bears?

There are too many GT nods for me to believe they will not find a way, using the odd physics of the dai makai to justify it, to give Goku a SS4-ish/Ohzaru transformation. That is to say, so many GT implications, for some they go out of their way like the Mega Planet, that how can you not expect a new form as a corollary of the GT tribute?
But I think, as well, that they might see that as overtly overwriting GT and the amazing SS4(they already did that with Broly, though), and Toriyama could easily be trying to throw us off and give us one last f-u.

Anyway, I wonder what was the need to produce a filler episode in such a short anime.

[nato25]

Well, I liked it and didn't like it. On its own, in a vacuum, it was a great looking, fun, adventure episode, it looked nice, characters made logical decisions, the obstacle seemed legit and so did the resolution. I mean, it wasn't Barry Kahn's two parter nor Fake Namek, right?

However, I was expecting something else, something more, specially with how the previous one ended, and also because of how desperate Gomah was in this one, not to mention turning off Warp-Sama. I even thought their ship broke down because of it, but now I'm not so sure. Although, things don't happen just because when we're talking about made up events.
I understand the show needed to back it up a little bit because the previous two were pure Stallone episodes, and the New Year's hiatus didn't help either. Last time they took a week off was to resume with Goku and Jiren going all out.
I think the episode could've kept the Warp-Sama shutdown for next week, it would've augmented the feeling of stranding and isolation on a dangerous planet.

The chubby guy, Hybrys I think, always delivers, he's Daima's Creed Bratton. Piccolo is still wallpaper, this time he could've stepped in with the excuse that Vegeta is exhausted and Goku needs to save himself for the big fight, and also to show off in front of Neva lol.

Sometimes I feel the GT nods are way too explicit, I mean MEGA planet? this giant looked a lot like GT's giant. But then, I liked GT and I'm liking these little tributes even if they go out of their way to do them.

Fun fact: Degesu wearing kaioshin clothes, I just noticed that. I thought those were some sort of divine clothes, but even low-class Glinds wear them.

Can't say I agree with your logical decisions comment for this episode specifically. I raised Goku saying he won't make it in time but then choosing to stop and fire a Kamehameha (and not a particularly quickly charged one either).

And you'd have to argue Degesu is pretty divine, he's the servant (i think lol?) to the Supreme Demon King.

[BootyCheeksJohnson]

I had fun with this episode. I was hoping that we'd get to see a little more about how Gomah's decision would upset the balance of each world's respective societies. Since the respective world leaders have no way of crossing their boarders what now? What if someone important from realm 2 is trapped in realm 1?
But maybe we'll get that down the line?
As for the hero's plot I really enjoyed finally getting to see Bulma and Panzy interact on a personal level and share their technician/mechanic's expertise.

[Basaku]

There are too many GT nods for me to believe they will not find a way, using the odd physics of the dai makai to justify it, to give Goku a SS4-ish/Ohzaru transformation. That is to say, so many GT implications, for some they go out of their way like the Mega Planet, that how can you not expect a new form as a corollary of the GT tribute?
But I think, as well, that they might see that as overtly overwriting GT and the amazing SS4(they already did that with Broly, though), and Toriyama could easily be trying to throw us off and give us one last f-u.

They don't care about overwriting GT and neither does Toriyama/Toyatoro. Super literally plowed through all over its placemenet in continuity already. That being said I doubt SSJ4 design will happen in Daima. Yes, the GT callbacks are obvious but there's little-to-no point doing this form here and now when it's such an obvious thing to do in the future with post-EOZ/next-gen content. And if they did it now it would frankly become almost too much of a GT ripoff

[Hugo Boss]

Fun episode for me too. I enjoyed seeing Bulma and Panzy exchange insights about majilite. This opens up potential for incorporating majilite into future arcs, especially involving the demon realm or even Dragon Ball Super. Regarding Glorio, I suspect sabotage. The ship being struck by lightning might not be random. Given Glorio’s suspected magical abilities, this could be intentional to delay the journey and contact Arinsu to give her intel.

[Omori]

I like them exploring other planets of the Second Demon Realm, the visuals looked amazing. I guess we will leave Giga for our imagination for now
But still wondering about that one planet from the ending song, maybe we get to see it next episode before we head to Gomah.
Curious about these kids (?) on it

[Majin Buu]

I liked this episode.

The character interactions and world building are what drove this episode for me, so the divisive reaction isn't surprising. I get it, some people just want the plot to keep moving (Those "RUINED FOREVER" style rants from the usual suspects that just aren't here for what this episode and show in general is selling though couldn't be any more hyperbolic). It's just one filler episode. And at least it's filler that's doing stuff for the story (the kind of filler that's actually good) while still being entertaining. Being so all plot, all action, and all forward momentum that there's no time for the story to slow down and do something else is one of my issues with the original manga and why I think some the anime adaptation's filler ends up improving on it. This episode is that kind of filler.

Like other posters have pointed out, this is the fist time the show is really utilizing the entire cast. Giving us time to see them all break the ice with each other and turn into a more cohesive group. Bulma and Panzy geeking out over tech stuff for example. I've been personally waiting to see something like that ever since these two similar characters met and I'm glad we got it here. It makes sense for these characters to bond over their shared interests so the story should actually show that. That it leads into some worldbuilding info on the Second Demon World is even better. I was thinking the Second Demon World would be a brief stop without much shown of it so I'm glad that the show is further showing it's commitment to world building by keeping us here a little longer to flesh it out- facilitated by Gomah deactivating Warp. It's a move that makes sense to try and stop our heroes' progression, but it's only gonna slow them down, not stop them. Plus Glorio is Arinsu's mole so I'm guessing he's got some backdoor way around this for the group. There were two very noticeable instances where Vegeta and Goku both got Glorio to crack a smile, further showing that he's warming up to everyone else (that it was fellow "comically serious" type Vegeta that got the first smile out of him was fitting, I loved that). This feels like the show setting up the group's eventual discovery of who he's working for and possibly establishing some conflicting loyalties on his part. Hybis continues to be Hybis, meaning he continues to be great.

The theme of the Second Demon World is "everything's trying to kill you to comical degrees". I liked it. Piccolo going "That's the Demon Realm for you" at the end was the perfect cap (with the beautiful night scenery providing a nice little reward for both the characters and the audience). The story going out of it's way to establish how dangerous this place is also ties into the same general theme that was established with the Tamagami- No normal person could go on this adventure and survive- let alone succeed. It takes extraordinarily strong people like Goku and co. to even do this and I think the show has been doing a great job of establishing why people as strong as them were needed for this task. The strong guys are ridiculously strong, but the place is still dangerous enough that they can't be careless either. That's a balancing act that I think the show not only executes well but plays with some too. Neva is shitting his pants about how dangerous Planet Mega is and Goku is all like "yeah yeah yeah, we'll just deal with it" (I liked that, it felt like a genuinely Goku reaction. Daima is still killing it in how it's writing Goku). That's the right approach to take with this. That Neva establishes that there's a planet even worse than this one feels like part of putting a cap on the episode, I don't get the sense that we're going to end up visiting Planet Giga, but I could be wrong (and I'll be happy to be wrong if they make it entertaining).

So yeah, I liked this episode. It's what I expected it to be from the NEP- A fun change of pace that provides a nice breather after a climatic two-parter. Not surprised it's divisive since it's doing things for the story that don't involve moving the plot forward.

[nineko]

To clarify, it's not that I hate filler episodes per se, I just feel that they're wasting too many episodes in a series with such a limited run. I can live with 20 episodes of fillers out of hundreds or thousands like they did in Naruto and One Piece, but we're talking about a completed series here, they shouldn't have any need to buy time, which means that these slow episodes are a deliberate choice, hence the "wtf were they thinking" sentiment. If Daima is ever going to be Kai'd, how long is it going to be? They could probably condense all the useful events into a 1.5-hour movie so far, let's hope that the next episodes can pack a bigger punch.

Super wasn't immune from this, either. One waits for a week, and gets served with the Arale episode. Sigh.

[Mr Baggins]

There are too many GT nods for me to believe they will not find a way, using the odd physics of the dai makai to justify it, to give Goku a SS4-ish/Ohzaru transformation. That is to say, so many GT implications, for some they go out of their way like the Mega Planet, that how can you not expect a new form as a corollary of the GT tribute?

It's well worth noting here that GT's giants episode was based off of production artwork Toriyama drew for the show. You could consider this a GT nod, but I'd say it's only one to the extent that Toriyama would have inserted a whimsical mini story like this to begin with, pun not intended.

If they're going to introduce another transformation, though, I'd rather it be demon-themed and not just a Super Saiyan 4 derivative. At least it should look like something Toriyama would have designed on his own.

To clarify, it's not that I hate filler episodes per se, I just feel that they're wasting too many episodes in a series with such a limited run.

Except this is not a "limited run"; it's a pretty standard length for anime. I think the actual problem is that you're so accustomed to things being adapted from long-running manga franchises that you've effectively framed your expectations around what Daima isn't even trying to do, but that's hardly a Daima problem.

Also, a lot of y'all are way too plot focused. I've said from the very beginning of this show's airing that if you're a plot focused viewer, Daima simply isn't for you. The show is episodic in nature, meaning each week or two is going to feel like a different self-contained micro story within a bigger macro story as the characters become acquainted with each other throughout their journey. What you see is what you get, and what you're getting is an adventure, not a serialized drama – the minotaur and hotel episodes are the perfect examples of substories that progress the actual characters instead of relying on some overarching plot that isn't even the focus of the show.

Something tells me some of you guys wouldn't make it through a Shinichiro Watanabe anime, since it's exactly the same structure.

[kemuri07]

If Daima is ever going to be Kai'd, how long is it going to be?

Ummm...why would it ever need to be Kai'd? It's literally a 20 episode anime. I also feel that we've completely forgotten what the term "filler" means. It does not simply mean "an episode that does not relate to the overall plot." It means episodes that are completely removed from the main canon of a story, literally serving as filler so that the anime does not overtake the manga release schedule. Nothing in Daima can be considered filler because it's not an adaptation of anything, it is its own thing.

Also, a lot of y'all are way too plot focused. I've said from the very beginning of this show's airing that if you're a plot focused viewer, Daima simply isn't for you. The show is episodic in nature, meaning each week or two is going to feel like a different self-contained micro story within a bigger macro story as the characters become acquainted with each other throughout their journey.

Pretty much.

[Makaioshin]

It is expected for there to be sight seeing in this adventure story -- especially when so much of this show has been the characters sitting on a ship while lore is explained to them. But that is just a base description of what the episode is without going into the content which is quite dull. We aren't learning so much about the character relationships or even the greater world as these giants notably stick to themselves. Watching this side by side with Sand Land it is night and day with what you can do with this storytelling format. Big fan of the hamsters though.