Dragon Ball Daima will be 20 episodes long

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Re: Dragon Ball Daima will be 20 episodes long

Post by Basaku » Sat Jan 11, 2025 6:35 am

fadeddreams5 wrote: Fri Jan 10, 2025 8:46 pm I feel 10 years from now, people will forget all about Daima.
Nah, not with the lore dumps it's making that so obviously will get used in Super's next/final arc, starting from Rymus. I also fully expect Moro to be tied into the Demon realm more in the anime too

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Re: Dragon Ball Daima will be 20 episodes long

Post by Yuji » Sat Jan 11, 2025 8:23 am

fadeddreams5 wrote: Fri Jan 10, 2025 8:46 pm I feel 10 years from now, people will forget all about Daima.
Maybe in the sense that people forgot about GT, in that they don't discuss the actual story, its contents, or its quality, but still discuss the character designs, transformations, concepts and lore.

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Re: Dragon Ball Daima will be 20 episodes long

Post by Basaku » Mon Jan 13, 2025 8:47 am

Yuji wrote: Sat Jan 11, 2025 8:23 am
fadeddreams5 wrote: Fri Jan 10, 2025 8:46 pm I feel 10 years from now, people will forget all about Daima.
Maybe in the sense that people forgot about GT, in that they don't discuss the actual story, its contents, or its quality, but still discuss the character designs, transformations, concepts and lore.
Not even that. GT also faded from any relevancy in discussions due to the fact that it's imply not canon anymore, no one treats it as such (incl. Toei, Shueisha, Toyo/Tori) and thus it has little to none impact on future content and potential story developements outside the question whether anything from it will be recanonized Broly-style.

Daima will 100% forever be treated by all companies involved as a core canon part of DB even if solely due to the fact that Toriyama was heavily involved, so it'll remain relevant to the core narrative progression of the franchise for years to come even if the episodes themselves won't be talked about anymore

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Re: Dragon Ball Daima will be 20 episodes long

Post by Zinnia » Mon Jan 13, 2025 9:39 am

Basaku wrote: Mon Jan 13, 2025 8:47 am due to the fact that it's imply not canon anymore
No future arc will be canon after Daima ends. It also all depends on how much Daima ties in to DBS with how it ends. Saying that Moro will be treated as a Demon World character is just your speculation after all, as in the manga he had nothing to do with it.

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Re: Dragon Ball Daima will be 20 episodes long

Post by Basaku » Mon Jan 13, 2025 1:58 pm

Zinnia wrote: Mon Jan 13, 2025 9:39 am
Basaku wrote: Mon Jan 13, 2025 8:47 am due to the fact that it's imply not canon anymore
No future arc will be canon after Daima ends. It also all depends on how much Daima ties in to DBS with how it ends. Saying that Moro will be treated as a Demon World character is just your speculation after all, as in the manga he had nothing to do with it.
Even if nothing from Daima is referenced in 2uper, it will still be treated by the companies that own the franchise as an unquestionable canon material due to Toriyama's high involvement, right before his passing at that, that was my point. Definitely not saying Moro will for sure get retro-actively referenced, it's not very likely in general honestly

As for no future are being canon, well, not really. Canon is defined by the showrunners and story writers and if they treat something as canon, it will be so even if it wasn't created by the original author. Ofc some fans may only regard the material from the original author as canon but that's rather hardcore selectiveness, all things considered. Very few view things like that with properties such as Batman, Star Wars or even Berserk despite their original authors no longer being with us or actively working on the projects.

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Re: Dragon Ball Daima will be 20 episodes long

Post by Neo-Makaiōshin » Fri Jan 17, 2025 9:30 pm

Hulu accidentally confirms that Daima is 20 episodes long, with the final episode airing on February 28, 2025.
Dragon Ball was always a kid series and fans should stop being in denial.

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Re: Dragon Ball Daima will be 20 episodes long

Post by fadeddreams5 » Fri Jan 17, 2025 10:11 pm

Yuji wrote: Sat Jan 11, 2025 8:23 am
fadeddreams5 wrote: Fri Jan 10, 2025 8:46 pm I feel 10 years from now, people will forget all about Daima.
Maybe in the sense that people forgot about GT, in that they don't discuss the actual story, its contents, or its quality, but still discuss the character designs, transformations, concepts and lore.
Literally, the only thing people talk about from GT is SSJ4. lol. Likewise, with Daima, unless some of the new characters become recurring in the future, the only thing people will remember are SSJ3 Vegeta and the inevitable bug fusion at the end.
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Re: Dragon Ball Daima will be 20 episodes long

Post by Chuquita » Fri Jan 17, 2025 10:35 pm

Makes sense it'd be Hulu who accidently spoilers the episode count; they spoilered ssj3 Vegeta in the episode thumbnail several weeks back.

20 episodes is fine. It's clear now that Daima's plot wasn't meant to be overly long.
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Re: Dragon Ball Daima will be 20 episodes long

Post by FortuneSSJ » Sun Jan 19, 2025 2:17 am

I don't really see much rewatching value in Daima.
And its another proof that no matter how good the production is, if the content is not engaging, visuals alone won't be able to save it.
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Re: Dragon Ball Daima will be 20 episodes long

Post by AliTheZombie13 » Sun Jan 19, 2025 8:19 am

FortuneSSJ wrote: Sun Jan 19, 2025 2:17 am I don't really see much rewatching value in Daima.
And its another proof that no matter how good the production is, if the content is not engaging, visuals alone won't be able to save it.
This.
I'd rather rewatch the entirety of Kimba the White Lion with its ass 2fps animation than Daima anytime soon.
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Re: Dragon Ball Daima will be 20 episodes long

Post by SupremeKai25 » Sun Jan 19, 2025 8:40 am

Basaku wrote: Sat Jan 11, 2025 6:35 am
fadeddreams5 wrote: Fri Jan 10, 2025 8:46 pm I feel 10 years from now, people will forget all about Daima.
Nah, not with the lore dumps it's making that so obviously will get used in Super's next/final arc, starting from Rymus. I also fully expect Moro to be tied into the Demon realm more in the anime too
This.

Daima's content is evergreen. It will continue to remain relevant because Super will make connections between future storylines and all the lore revelations in Daima about the Demon Realm and Zeno's relative.

I'm also happy to see more people noticing the connection between Moro and the Demon Realm; pointy ears, dark magic, demonic design, etc. I fully expect Toei to flesh-out Moro's background by adding a connection to the Demon Realm.
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Re: Dragon Ball Daima will be 20 episodes long

Post by sangofe » Sun Jan 19, 2025 3:13 pm

Neo-Makaiōshin wrote: Fri Jan 17, 2025 9:30 pm Hulu accidentally confirms that Daima is 20 episodes long, with the final episode airing on February 28, 2025.
And Hulu has no removed that entry.

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Re: Dragon Ball Daima will be 20 episodes long

Post by Jord » Tue Jan 21, 2025 11:17 am

Perhaps something exciting will happen in the last few episodes but to me this is the most boring ass part of all of Dragon Ball. GT gets crapped on for it's earlier episodes but those are light years beyond what Daima does with it's busted up space ships and lack of variety in locations and lack of tension.

It does look good and the voice replacement actors are very good. I have to give them that. too bad it's wasted on a story like this.

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Re: Dragon Ball Daima will be 20 episodes long

Post by AliTheZombie13 » Tue Jan 21, 2025 11:55 am

Jord wrote: Tue Jan 21, 2025 11:17 am Perhaps something exciting will happen in the last few episodes but to me this is the most boring ass part of all of Dragon Ball. GT gets crapped on for it's earlier episodes but those are light years beyond what Daima does with it's busted up space ships and lack of variety in locations and lack of tension.

It does look good and the voice replacement actors are very good. I have to give them that. too bad it's wasted on a story like this.
GT for all of its flaws knew stories thrived on conflict, something Daima seems to not understand with all of its attempts at creating conflict only to remind the audience that there's no conflict happening at all.

"Oh no, Dende has been kidnapped... But don't worry, he's not in any danger."
"Oh no, we must get our adult bodies back... Except this didn't affect us in the slightest and some of us (Bulma) actually like being like this."
"Oh no, Glorio is gonna betray us... Except the show is heavily hinting he's regretting his actions and won't."
"Oh no, Vegeta is in danger... Except he didn't even transform yet."
"Oh no, Warp has been disabled... Except it amounted to nothing."
"Oh no, Goku is falling and is gonna die... But don't worry, I can undo that in 2 seconds."
"Oh no, they're coming, let's invoke the Ginyu Force... Except it's been established they're weak as shit FROM THE GET-GO."
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Re: Dragon Ball Daima will be 20 episodes long

Post by FortuneSSJ » Fri Jan 24, 2025 10:13 pm

As much as I hate the idea of everyone becoming kids, the truth is even if the main cast kept their age and went to Demon Realm just to rescue Dende, Daima would still be boring, because the story is not exciting enough and the pacing is trash.
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Re: Dragon Ball Daima will be 20 episodes long

Post by Jord » Sat Jan 25, 2025 5:52 pm

It should have been around 7 episodes long from what we've seen thus far.
Perhaps even a movie, it has the animation for it.

We need a Daima Kai, lol.

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Re: Dragon Ball Daima will be 20 episodes long

Post by nineko » Sat Jan 25, 2025 6:17 pm

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Re: Dragon Ball Daima will be 20 episodes long

Post by TechExpert2021 » Sat Jan 25, 2025 6:46 pm

Jord wrote: Sat Jan 25, 2025 5:52 pm We need a Daima Kai, lol.
Or a new Dragon Ball anime series that can replace Daima.
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Re: Dragon Ball Daima will be 20 episodes long

Post by AliTheZombie13 » Sat Jan 25, 2025 8:46 pm

TechExpert2021 wrote: Sat Jan 25, 2025 6:46 pm
Jord wrote: Sat Jan 25, 2025 5:52 pm We need a Daima Kai, lol.
Or a new Dragon Ball anime series that can replace Daima.
If it's written by the same people who made Super/Daima, no amount of pre-production time or good animation can save this franchise. I'd rather it stay dead.
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Re: Dragon Ball Daima will be 20 episodes long

Post by JulieYBM » Sat Jan 25, 2025 8:58 pm

AliTheZombie13 wrote: Sat Jan 25, 2025 8:46 pm
TechExpert2021 wrote: Sat Jan 25, 2025 6:46 pm
Jord wrote: Sat Jan 25, 2025 5:52 pm We need a Daima Kai, lol.
Or a new Dragon Ball anime series that can replace Daima.
If it's written by the same people who made Super/Daima, no amount of pre-production time or good animation can save this franchise. I'd rather it stay dead.
The writer hardly matters when they're just doing what they're told to by everyone above them. Different projects have different restraints that keep their staff forced to write in certain ways to match the whims of people other than them. It's not like a writer is being hired to do whatever they want by a producer and a director, especially at a big company like Toei Animation that is handling a project like Dragon Ball where there are multiple invested partners.
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