Dragon Ball Daima: Episode 15 - Official Discussion Thread

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Dragon Ball Daima: Episode 15

サードアイ
Sādo Ai
Third Eye

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Kanzenshuu Episode Guide Page:

https://www.kanzenshuu.com/episode/daima/eps-015/

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Release Information:

JAPAN:
Date: January 24, 2025
Time: Around 11:40 p.m
Channel: Fuji TV

INTERNATIONAL STREAMING:
Date: January 24, 2025
Sources: Simulcast streams include Crunchyroll (North America, Central America, South America, Europe, Africa, Australia, New Zealand, Indian subcontinent, Southeast Asia, and Middle East); delayed streams include Netflix (Asia/global)

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[AliTheZombie13]

What's this? A good episode? WHERE THINGS HAPPEN?! Who are you and what have you done to Daima?!

Now, seriously, it feels like the series moved for the first time since they left Pansy's castle. Who, I must emphasize, has struggled real hard to justify her presence. It feels like you could've just left her in the castle, and she shows up here again, and nothing would change, really. So many things are set up and only serve purpose here, like the revive bug. Other than the Majin Duu/Kuu scenes, everything else felt so pointless, but I'm glad things are finally moving... Please, keep moving.

Looks like Degesu has an agenda of his own, I sure hope it's worthwhile and intertwines with the Arinsu stuff to produce something interesting, and he isn't just defeated the very next episode.

One last thing I want to comment. While I enjoyed the general struggle with the Germnasdfhawiyudgfioastdf, and I really don't like to complain about power-scaling issues, these scenes really felt so... non-serious? As a personal rule of thumb, nobody is really in any real danger up until they turn Super Saiyan.

So, the entire episode, I watched the gang struggle against them, practically yelling "Just Turn Super Saiyan Already!!!"
And then it waited up until the very end, after Pansy's father shows up to do a dramatic hero moment, to demonstrate how pointless it all was and Goku could've just done that from the very beginning, but didn't, because Dragon Ball wouldn't be Dragon Ball without some fake-ass stakes. Transformations were a mistake.

All in all, good episode. Please, keep it up Daima.

[nato25]

Hopefully I'm not becoming a bitter old man but Daima is starting to piss me off and I'm finding the show harder and harder to enjoy every week.

The gandemarie are a problem we can't deal with all these paralysing ray gun shots being fired everywhere...

Now it's not a problem... The main three take care of everything with ease

Now there's more of them... It's a problem again

Now it's not a problem... Then it's a problem again and now we need a save from the King because our three run incredibly slowly out of the way of a charged cannon shot

Now it's not a problem because apparently the kings small 7 man force can turn the tides and Goku remembers he can go super Saiyan and decimates the whole base... Which he could have done 15 minutes prior. Is it just the editing that is terrible?

Useless flashback explaining the origin of the third eye with the only new information it was dabura who stole it which really adds nothing to the story. Didn't we gather all that except Dabura stealing it from the information we already had? Can we have any subtlety in this series?

Arinsu again just twiddling her thumbs in her office.

Only highlights were hybis giving up the eye and the majin brothers sleeping on the couch.

There are some really bad low points to Daima and if this wasn't dragon ball I don't think there's any way I'd still be watching honestly.

I'm also getting tired of this opening which just fluctuates between a short and long version whenever they want to fill time.

[Saiyan007]

The third eye backstory is interesting hope they expand on how powerful it makes a user instead of just leaving it ambiguous but other than that this entire battle part(over 15 minutes) could've been cut down significantly and we saw it at the very end of this episode where Goku goes SSJ and just ki blasts and uses his speed to defeat everyone

I don't understand the story direction for some of these episodes. These guys in the demon realm don't stand a chance against the main characters as we have already seen Goku by himself in earlier episodes beat hordes of them by himself, but they have to be dumbed down to try and build suspension, but it falls flat on it's face when we see them stop being dumb and use the massive power gap between them to instantly defeat them .

Instead of having them beat the army with just one big ki blast we get an extremely drawn out battle segment that didnt even need to be more than a minute long, this episode truly made me annoyed

[JulieYBM]

Huh, Ootsuka Akio—the son of Ootsuka Chikao, the voice of Tao Pai-Pai in Dragon Ball (1986)—did the narration for the flashback. I think that this is his first time working on Dragon Ball?

In more important news: I think that was Degesu—girlmoding—who approached Hybis for the Third Eye? If so, we've confirmed two things: Glinds can change their forms at will and Degesu is a boykisser. Very important!

[nato25]

Yes that was interesting and I liked that it's ambiguous. It could be Degesu or just a girl he hired. I think I'm leaning to the former because of that comment earlier in Daima about Glind's not associating with any one gender

[goku the krump dancer]

I think I’m almost at the point where I can say “I can’t wait until this is over”.. felt like needless padding action. The only real plot progression is Hybus giving up the belt so easily to Degesu in drag? Or just a random he hired. They never explained who the chick was and Degesu (who’s more than likely gonna betray Gomah) never reported that he has the eye.

[AliTheZombie13]

They never explained who the chick was and Degesu (who’s more than likely gonna betray Gomah) never reported that he has the eye.

The chick is Degesu.

[The Iron Fjord]

My wife is back

So this might be the best episode of Daima so far, we only got 5 episodes left so I hope they prove that wrong. Really flashy, and action-packed episode. A lot of people (mainly on Twitter) were complaining how these weapons and tanks are doing more damage to our heroes, but I like how it doesn't make it a total cakewalk for them. Fight choreography was pretty neat for this episode, even King Kadan and his mooks got time to shine (meanwhile the only thing you see Piccolo and Vegeta do is spam ki).



Hybis continues to be the best new Character in Daima, and even Panzy and Glorio got a little time to shine. Gomah's now got the demon MacGuffin so we'll see his final form soon enough, the Ginyu Wannabes are next week, and Degesu might go full Zamasu and pull a gun on little baby Dende. I really don't want the ride to end, bros.

[Zinnia]

I don't even care that Base Goku and Base Vegeta are losing to random fodder because they do that every episode now, but Piccolo has been badly mistreated again. What is the point of him being in this series at all? Praising up Neva?

Has everyone responsible for Daima forgotten that he's still fused with Nail and Kami, and thus is Super Saiyan level from get go? He should be showing class above the Base Saiyans, but here we are..

[ZombieVito]

Another terrible episode.

Why can't Goku and Vegeta just turn Super Saiyan and defeat the army in seconds? It's not like RoF where the Z fighters had to waste time for Goku and Vegeta to get to Earth.

[Saiyan007]

A lot of people (mainly on Twitter) were complaining how these weapons and tanks are doing more damage to our heroes, but I like how it doesn't make it a total cakewalk for them.

Except it is a cakewalk for them

Goku shows that at the end of the episode when he finally decides to use his brain and just easily defeat them just annoyed how it took 20 minutes for him to realize that

[The Iron Fjord]

A lot of people (mainly on Twitter) were complaining how these weapons and tanks are doing more damage to our heroes, but I like how it doesn't make it a total cakewalk for them.

Except it is a cakewalk for them

Goku shows that at the end of the episode when he finally decides to use his brain and just easily defeat them just annoyed how it took 20 minutes for him to realize that

And that would be boring. If Goku and Vegeta could one-shot the army in seconds, where's the tension and excitement in that?

[JulieYBM]

Gokuu and Vegeta don't use Super Saiyan in this episode because transforming as a storytelling technique is meant to be more meaningful. I don't necessarily agree in this context—I think that the army and their magical weapons should have been too much for Super Saiyan 2 Gokuu and Vegeta to handle, just to make them a real threat—but it's the decision that the production crew made at the end of the day. I very much like the idea of Gokuu and friends being overwhelmed by magic and magic-based weapons and armor that their usual use of ki cannot easily overcome.

Shrug. This is why I think they should have included dialogue that made it clear that the Tamagami were on the level of Super Saiyan 3, then had Gokuu and Vegeta unlock new forms for the series' climax.

[tinlunlau]

Decent episode but it does feel like the end is near.
Had a weird occurrence watching this on Viu TV when the episode kept playing during commercial break. Had to rewind it just a notch.

[AliTheZombie13]

And that would be boring. If Goku and Vegeta could one-shot the army in seconds, where's the tension and excitement in that?

And that justifies watching the characters just fool around for 22 minutes until they get bored and decide "Yup, we could've ended it aaaallll along."?

[JulieYBM]

And that would be boring. If Goku and Vegeta could one-shot the army in seconds, where's the tension and excitement in that?

And that justifies watching the characters just fool around for 22 minutes until they get bored and decide "Yup, we could've ended it aaaallll along."?

This is why they should make it clear that the weapon blasts fucked up Gokuu, Vegeta and Piccolo's ability to use their ki. Voila, problem solved.

[IntangibleFancy]

It was frustrating reading what happened from the people that got to watch it early but after watching it myself, it’s not as bad. I liked it. My favorite parts were that girl trying and failing to seduce Hyubis and of course that fight with the third demon king’s army arriving. But I did have more dislikes than likes with this episode.

From what I read, I think many people’s least favorite part about this episode is the fact that they’re struggling with the army. I hate it too, but I feel like a hypocrite for hating the fact that they’re pretending to struggle with the mooks when Goku did that althoughout the ToP but I guess it’s worse here because whole episodes are about that and the show is five more episodes away from being over.

And I can see why they’re struggling. They’ve got so many non-combatants to look after and those guns are also tasers too and even though they’ve got their combat skills back, they’re probably still low on defense and pain tolerance. It doesn’t seem so bad anymore once you realize that, but it doesn’t make it any more interesting. Panzy’s dad and his army showing up saved this episode for me.

But speaking of non-combatants I hate that the Supreme Kai isn’t fighting. He has no reason not to, either. He doesn’t have to blow them all away with a nuke or get himself shot by flying into the fray like Goku and Vegeta, but I’d like to see a new attack or a barrier. Do something.

I knew this episode and the next episode would be about dealing with the army so I was already prepared, but I at least thought we were going to get some interesting lore with the demon realm or the third eye based off of the preview from last week, but it was kind of a let down.

The flashback, I mean. I was looking forward to seeing some new, story-changing info on the demons (like Zeno’s creation counterpart being introduced for example) or the third eye actually being used and seeing whether or not it changes their appearance. I guess it does because that one guy in that sequence got bigger? Idk. The only thing I liked about it was how they specified who Gomah was to Dabura, because I was unsure if that was his son or not, but he isn’t!

[Retan]

This is more along the lines of what I thought daima would be like, unfortunately that’s just not a high water mark

[nato25]

It was frustrating reading what happened from the people that got to watch it early but after watching it myself, it’s not as bad. I liked it. My favorite parts were that girl trying and failing to seduce Hyubis and of course that fight with the third demon king’s army arriving. But I did have dislikes problems than likes with this episode.

From what I read, I think many people’s least favorite part about this episode is the fact that they’re struggling with the army. I hate it too, but I feel like a hypocrite for hating the fact that they’re pretending to struggle with the mooks when Goku did that althoughout the ToP but I guess it’s worse here because whole episodes are about that and the show is five more episodes away from being over.

And I can see why they’re struggling. They’ve got so many non-combatants to look after and those guns are also tasers too and even though they’ve got their combat skills back, they’re probably still low on defense and pain tolerance. It doesn’t seem so bad anymore once you realize that, but it doesn’t make it any more interesting. Panzy’s dad and his army showing up saved this episode for me.

But speaking of non-combatants I hate that the Supreme Kai isn’t fighting. He has no reason not to, either. He doesn’t have to blow them all away with a nuke or get himself shot by flying into the fray like Goku and Vegeta, but I’d like to see a new attack or a barrier. Do something.

I knew this episode and the next episode would be about dealing with the army so I was already prepared, but I at least thought we were going to get some interesting lore with the demon realm or the third eye based off of the preview from last week, but it was kind of a let down.

The flashback, I mean. I was looking forward to seeing some new, story-changing info on the demons (like Zeno’s creation counterpart being introduced for example) or the third eye actually being used and seeing whether or not it changes their appearance. I guess it does because that one guy in that sequence got bigger? Idk. The only thing I liked about it was how they specified who Gomah was to Dabura, because I was unsure if that was his son or not, but he isn’t!

Tournament of power has problems with power scaling too and with stamina, but at least there the 10 combatants from each universe were supposed to be there best fighters.

Goku has established early on in Daima this army is zero problem for him in base form. So when it is a problem for him alongside Vegeta, Piccolo, Supreme Kai and the new characters, it's just too unbelievable to be enjoyable.

I know people have a lot of trouble reconciling someone like cabba can or caulifla can be even close to Goku, but I have no issue saying to myself we don't know their story or training and would have gone through there own journeys, we just didn't see it.

We know this army is no problem for them and that's the problem. They are always watering down their abilities or fighting intelligence to try and create tension and that's not fun or interesting to watch, if anything it's frustrating.

And at least be consistent within your own episode. The team was struggling at the beginning with all the gun fire. Then there was a cut to different scene. When we cut back they had zero issues destroying them. Poor storytelling and poor editing combining to create an awful experience.