Dragon Ball Daima: Episode 16 - Official Discussion Thread

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Dragon Ball Daima: Episode 16

デゲス
Degesu
Degesu

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Kanzenshuu Episode Guide Page:

https://www.kanzenshuu.com/episode/daima/eps-016/

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Release Information:

JAPAN:
Date: January 31, 2025
Time: Around 11:40 p.m
Channel: Fuji TV

INTERNATIONAL STREAMING:
Date: January 31, 2025
Sources: Simulcast streams include Crunchyroll (North America, Central America, South America, Europe, Africa, Australia, New Zealand, Indian subcontinent, Southeast Asia, and Middle East); delayed streams include Netflix (Asia/global)

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[Xeogran]

Taking bets that Degesu isn't done for yet, that last scene with him was too ambigious and it's clearly not the way DB villains go down.

Panzy's death flags are rising with all the focus on her.
I have a feeling that she won't make it to the end, and her loss will be what triggers Goku to go on rampage. Or maybe just getting injured enough while Goku will think she's dead.

Things are finally about to get dark, now that we're done joking around.

[Gaffer Tape]

I actually enjoyed this episode quite a bit more than the previous two. I don't think its dramatic bits worked too terribly well. There's a lingering shot of Shin looking at his brother as he's been hauled away, as if there's some kind of relationship between the two, like maybe we're supposed to think he's sad it ended this way. But their dialogue together was so generic that it doesn't sell that moment. Same thing with Degesu betraying Gomah. I don't know what Degesu wants or why he wants it. The only thing I've seen Gomah and Degesu do together is watch TV. I don't have any investment. Nor do I feel like I have an understanding of why Panzy decided to tag along without telling anyone. Like so many things in this series, her sneaking off is a setup with no real payoff. The sequence would have played out the same way had she openly gone with them.

What does work is the comedy, which was pretty charming. I still don't love the Kempei Tokusentai, and the fight went exactly how I'd expect. But the fact that they took their loss so happily, and even offered Goku potato chips afterward, kinda sold me on them. Same thing for Gomah's attempts to get the eye out of the belt. His antics made the episode for me, from being inspired by going to the bathroom to the girl having to shove the eye into his head repeatedly. It was the small comedic moments that made this episode.

Sadly, though, Hat Girl is not Degesu, which is a shame. It would be nice if the reams of exposition the show throws at us actually ends up mattering. But, no. The thing about Gurindo gender is just another random factoid that means nothing. Why should I even pay attention if what the show tells me is pointless? That said, she's fun enough for a disposable character who really only exists to give Gomah someone to interact with now that Degesu is out of the picture.

[JulieYBM]

damn, talk about blue-balling a girl with that Hat Girl reveal.

[Saiyan007]

Pretty meh episode overall nothing annoyed me like last episode but I'm not sure what is with Daima and thinking it's interesting to see the main cast fight fodder time and time again and thinking it will be interesting.

The Gendarmerie vs Vegeta was just a waste of time sure they don't have to be as strong as the main cast but that's not the only way to have a suspenseful battle they can make people have actually interesting abilities that could turn the tides in a fight

So far nothing has been a challenge to the cast but it looks like next week things will definitely pick up

Also Gomah looks exactly like Jiren when he powered up

[AliTheZombie13]

Is it me, or the entire DB/Z recap was longer this time around? I think this is the first time Raditz appeared.

Oh no, the Special Forces Brazil turned out to be a "nothing" threat, whoever saw that coming? -_-
Half this episode was completely disposable, I hate being right.

So the girl WASN'T Degesu? Jokes on me for thinking Toriyama, or Toei, or whoever really, was going to be inclusive for once.

"I sense Dende's Ki." I know it doeesn't matter that much, considering how fast they get there, but... T-E-L-E-P-O-R-T!

Welp, Degesu's plot has been pretty anti-climatic. There was kind of a character clash there with Shin, but Daima ain't gonna bother to get deep on it, despite it being the closest thing to a character arc it has so far. And it's over as fast as it came.

"Now that we rescued Dende, let's go fetch the final Dragon Ball and get our adult bodies back!"
Alright, but... why? Can't you just go back to Earth, wait a year and get your adult bodies back anyway? If you're in such a hurry, bring Neva along so he can recharge the Dragon Balls yet again.

"I let you fight last time, so now it's my turn!"
Meanwhile, Piccolo is just standing there like "Am I joke to you?"

Not the greatest episode ever, but hey, things are moving at least.
And the visuals are amazing this time around, great art.

From the looks of the NEP, the final 4 episodes are gonna be a movie-quality animated showdown.
You know I don't really care about the fights, so at least it'll look pretty.

[Saiyan007]

Oh no, the Special Forces Brazil turned out to be a "nothing" threat, whoever saw that coming? -_-
Half this episode was completely disposable, I hate being right.

With proper editing you could combine the last 2 episodes of daima into one episode so much of daima is just pointless padding

[nineko]

Yeah, once again, this was like 70% pointless and 30% nice, reinforcing the idea that an eventual "Kai" version would be much better to watch. With that said, I agree with most things which have been said so far.

I agree that the intro felt even longer than the usual.

I agree that when Goku sensed Dende's ki, with both Piccolo and Vegeta seemingly relying on him to do so, with the finger gesture too, everything pointed towards him teleporting them there, but no. I know it was done to allow for Panzy to catch up, but...

And I also agree that Gomah kinda looked like Jiren in some shots while he was transforming.

*sigh*

It looks like the next episode is going to have some more action, let's look forward to that.

[IntangibleFancy]

Positives:

• Those ginyu force guys didn’t take as long as I thought they were. And they were pretty entertaining too.

• Gomah was funny and expressive this episode. I kind of like him. I think he’s the first main villain in dragonball that isn’t a dick who kills his subordinates for laughs

• Panzy and Glorio saving the day

Negatives:

• Even though I liked the special Gendarmerie guys more than I expected, I still stand by my opinion of not wanting them to take up space in the 4th to last episode

• Degusu just reveals he wants to be the demon king and then gets knocked out in one shot and arrested.

• I’m glad the third eye gives them a transformation, but disappointed that it just makes them big and generic

[Zephyr]

Definitely one of the best episodes of the show so far, if not the best. No reason this couldn't have been last week's episode. Called it on Degesu betraying Gomah, but I wish he and Shin had a bit more of a substantive and meaningful conversation. Gomah should try out for the Pride Troopers, he's already got their uniform.

Honestly? I like the Demon Ginyus. Between their interactions with the Boo Brothers at the store, and the way they handled being defeated (boss forgiving the subordinate for fucking up his attack, one of them giving Goku the bag of chips) they're just pretty good dudes at the end of the day. Invite them to the cookouts at Bulma's.

[AliTheZombie13]

One thing I forgot to mention here. The entire thing about characters going, "We mustn't fight Gomah, he's too dangerous." Is a very, very, very hard sell. He only got powerful this episode, and by sheer dumb luck. By his reactions, I think if Arinsu had just thrown Koo and Doo at him, she would've won easily.

[nato25]

damn, talk about blue-balling a girl with that Hat Girl reveal.

I was thinking of all the people that said this last week. It was up in the air if it was Degesu or not and I think everyone may have leaned too far into one camp or the other before we really knew.

[AliTheZombie13]

I was thinking of all the people that said this last week. It was up in the air if it was Degesu or not and I think everyone may have leaned too far into one camp or the other before we really knew.

I mean, the show did fool us into believing with the entire expo dump about how Glinds don't have gender, so... Yeah.
I was expecting that at least to come into play for once, and would've made Degesu a more fun character than he turned out to be.

[Noah]

This episode was just a little better than the last one and the first half was totally dispensable...

• All that hype around the Gendarmerie Force and they get wiped out easily by Base Vegeta lol, even the smaller troops made Goku go SSJ and these guys didn’t do sh*t

• What was the stunt Degesu was planning there? Running away with Dende and..? Pathetic, and this might be the last time we see this character in 'action'

• So the 'Third Eye' just makes Gomah bigger and bulkier, even comparable to Jiren (in terms of character design)? Which only highlights the lack of creativity in Daima when it comes to this

• I’d say the NEP was the best part of this episode because it shows the next has potential to be the BEST Daima episode so far. Please don’t let us down!

Panzy's death flags are rising with all the focus on her.
I have a feeling that she won't make it to the end, and her loss will be what triggers Goku to go on rampage. Or maybe just getting injured enough while Goku will think she's dead.

Things are finally about to get dark, now that we're done joking around.

Huh, are you watching the same show as I am? There are no DEATHS, even the obvious ones like Goku and the gang smashing Gomah troops and their ships didn't result in any casualties.

It’s pretty much impossible for the plot to go this way, especially considering how lighthearted Daima has been so far

[PhantomSaiyan]

I enjoyed this one quite a bit.

The ginew squad ripoff were obviously going to be fodder and gag material, and I must say, seeing vegeta absolutely demolishing them was pretty nice. I don't understand why anyone would think they were going to be important, they were goofballs from the start, and were shitting their pants at the thought of fighting people who defeated majin buu and the tamagami. Some people had unrealistic expectations about them for sure. They are exactly the type of characters you can find in any random toriyama one shot manga.

I wonder if this is it for degesu, I wouldn't be surprised, but I'd like to see something more from him. I liked how panzy and glorio played a part in taking him out, and piccolo finally does something and gives him the finishing blow

I also enjoyed the comedic bits of gomah and hat (now hatless) girl a lot

Next episode looks like it will have some cool fights and action scenes, the few snippets we got to see looked crazy

[nato25]

We finally did it guys. An episode I wasn't sitting there disappointed and thinking when will it be over! Characters had agency and made good choices!

This episode had a lot of great laughs too. All the stuff with the eyes and girl who traded the eye for the hat, even going back for the gems. Vegeta defeating one of the force with the most basic energy blast was great too.

Only joke that really fell flat and took up way too much screen time was pansy tracking the main 3. So the joke was she's just crazy unfit? That's never been alluded too and it was like she barely ran here either. Just a waste of 20 seconds.

Only things that really puzzled me was the absolutely awful fade after Vegeta beat the ginyu force (continuing the long running poor editing of this show)and I was a bit disappointed pansy wasn't a bit more clever in her sneak attack. She had a good position and then just ran at Degesu from the front? I thought she was going to go around the planes or something. Degesu went down real easy but I guess that's fine, just feels he didn't really get the development I expected after being so hyped up in the trailer

[SupremeKai25]

Gomah is just a Jiren wannabe, LOL! Surely someone in that team must have realized his design was basically just Jiren with a different head.

Whatever, I'll just add this to the (very long!) list of Super callbacks from this spin-off.

[nato25]

I was thinking of all the people that said this last week. It was up in the air if it was Degesu or not and I think everyone may have leaned too far into one camp or the other before we really knew.

I mean, the show did fool us into believing with the entire expo dump about how Glinds don't have gender, so... Yeah.
I was expecting that at least to come into play for once, and would've made Degesu a more fun character than he turned out to be.

Honestly I'm more disappointed that they didn't just leave it ambiguous and have some fun with that. But with the jokes we got from the girl character and her Gomah interactions I'd say it ended up being worth it.

And everyone being disappointed Gomah is just bigger now, let's not be too hasty like our Majin Kuu predictions, I think it's obvious his magic abilities will also be enhanced (and we were literally shown last week it increases your size).

[ZombieVito]

Another boring ass episode.

Luckily next one seems to finally take things seriously.

P.S. Degesu went out like a bitch.

[Zephyr]

Prediction for the final four episodes:

17: They fight the Boo Brothers, and Gomah starts making things scary
18: They fight Gomah and turn Super Saiyan 1 or 2 by the very end
19: They continue to fight Gomah and turn Super Saiyan 3 by the very end
20: They continue to fight Gomah, use the join bugs to defeat him, wish to return to normal, and try to go home (until their plane breaks down just before the credits roll)