Super or Daima

[JulieYBM]

Super has queer characters (Black, Zamazu, Kale, Caulifla) and babygirls (Jiren), of course I'm going to go with Super.

Until proven otherwise, I'm putting Whis in there.

Super has queer characters (Black, Zamazu, Kale, Caulifla) and babygirls (Jiren), of course I'm going to go with Super.

Until proven otherwise, I'm putting Whis in there.

As queer or as babygirl? Because, imo, I'd say yes to both.

Whis isn't pathetic enough to be a babygirl, but he's definitely some flavor of queer.

[ZeroNeonix]

I don't know how to answer this, honestly. Both had advantages and disadvantages. Super was rushed out the gate, with terrible quality animation. Thankfully, it got better. When Super came out, I was just happy to have SOMETHING Dragon Ball, after so much time. But in retrospect, Super feels like it's constantly throwing everything at the wall and seeing what sticks. First (after a pointless recap/retcon of the movies), we get a tournament between universes 6 and 7. Not exciting, but it's a nice little competition to start with, reminiscent of OG Dragon Ball. Introduced some interesting characters, although I was disappointed when Frost turned out to be evil. Then, we got the Future Trunks arc, which was the closest it ever got to feeling like Z, IMO. But the time travel shenanigans were confusing, and the conclusion was so...unsatisfying. Then we got another tournament, which had some good moments, but the conclusion was very predictable, and the fan speculation that the third of the universes that were previously deleted were accidentally wished back just...never happened. Then got Broly, even though we JUST GOT fem Broly in previous tournament. Fan speculated it was Yamoshi, but HAHA, you thought that legends about Yamoshi would ever play into the plot? After that, we get Android Saga 2.0. Overall, very directionless and uninspired. Funimation seems to have this impulsive need to throw pointless, new transformations at us constantly, and it gets old quick. Honestly, felt like fan speculations were 100x more interesting than anything Super ever gave us.

Daima, on the other hand, has a superior level of quality when it comes to animation. The fight scene look great and are creative. Very refreshing. But the plot feels very GT 2.0, and the characters being kids again doesn't really amount to much in terms of plot. It feels like it was just a way to visually distinguish themselves from Super. Like, at first, the characters have to get used to their bodies being small again, but then they're fighting like it's no issue. Then later, it suddenly is an issue again? The pacing is really slow, but not in a good way. The humor is generally good, and it's charming, as is consistent with Toriyama's writing. But the show has this nasty habit of either setting up problems, just to immediately solve them, or setting something up for later, only for the resolution to be very underwhelming. I'm hoping the final few episodes will turn things around, but my faith is waning. The show adds some interesting new lore for both the Namekians, the Kai (Glinds), and the Dragon Ball multiverse as a whole, although it adds some new plot holes, which are difficult to reconcile with Super, which is supposedly in the same continuity.

tldr: I'm very mixed on both, but for different reasons. I can't really say for sure which I prefer yet. If I have to choose, I might give a slight edge to Daima, because it's at least visually interesting, and having Toriyama more directly involved does add charm to it. But that might change once I see how it ends.

[nineko]

I think it's unfair to vote now, since Daima isn't done yet, and the last 4 episodes might (or might not) be the best we've ever seen. I doubt they're going to significantly change my mind, and I'll probably vote for Super anyway, but as of now I prefer to officially abstain from voting. See you in four weeks if this poll will still be open.

[super michael]

I choose Daima, that is the better anime. The characters acts like how they would in DB/DBZ and Toriyama manga.

DBS the characters were written really bad such as these:

Goku (annoying, forgetful and bossy) (main character)
Chi Chi (control freak) (wife of main character)
Boo (sleeping)
Goten (forbidden)
Trunks (forbidden and only allowed to train with Pilaf)

DBS was so predictable and they went overboard with making their character really bad. There was even dedicated episode to making the characters look bad such as Goku.

DBS completely ignored character growth from Dragon Ball manga. They just wanted to increase the characters negative trait to maximum level.

[Nanatsu88]

Although Daima has a more detailed story, in Super the story and lore were explained through the events of the plot. Not in Daima, in Daima the characters stop to explain things, completely cutting the pace of the series. That way of telling things is a disaster for any series in general and for an adventure series like Daima it is disastrous. Super is much more inconsistent in plot, script, sagas, animation and drawing. Even so, Super is more entertaining than Daima and the characters are much more interesting. The characters of Glorio and Panzy have had 0 development throughout the series. They are super flat, bland, boring and lifeless characters. The adventure is super boring and repetitive (the ship breaks down 5 times in 20 episodes, that's surreal).

It is completely disappointing that they have spent 2 years preparing this anime, the only good thing they have done is the animation because the script is extremely boring. It's the worst Dragon Ball product by far. Knowing that they have been doing this instead of Super's return makes the matter even worse.

[SupremeKai25]

Am I the only one who is willing to cut Super some slack on the animation and art because the VA and OST are top-tier? Certainly I've never come across anyone saying the same. The voice acting and OST, such underrated aspects of a visual medium, yet so important all the same.

Often when rewatching Super scenes I'm able to simply ignore the inconsistent animation and art style because I focus on the voice acting, which is very well-done both in the Sub and Dub, as well as the OST. Love the new OST tracks as well as the Kai tracks they brought back.

Daima has not impressed me neither in terms of VA nor OST.

You know it's funny, people say that there's fan animations with better style than Super... that might be true, a fan has all the time in the world and doesn't have to adhere to tight deadlines. But guess what, even the best-looking fan animation won't have Super's top-tier VA!

[super michael]

Am I the only one who is willing to cut Super some slack on the animation and art because the VA and OST are top-tier? Certainly I've never come across anyone saying the same. The voice acting and OST, such underrated aspects of a visual medium, yet so important all the same.

Often when rewatching Super scenes I'm able to simply ignore the inconsistent animation and art style because I focus on the voice acting, which is very well-done both in the Sub and Dub, as well as the OST. Love the new OST tracks as well as the Kai tracks they brought back.

Daima has not impressed me neither in terms of VA nor OST.

You know it's funny, people say that there's fan animations with better style than Super... that might be true, a fan has all the time in the world and doesn't have to adhere to tight deadlines. But guess what, even the best-looking fan animation won't have Super's top-tier VA!

My problem with DBS isn't with animation and art style, they are both still good in DBS. My issue is with DBS writing.

Do we need to see and hear Goku constantly do dumb things? Do we need to hear and see Goten and Trunks forbidden and keeping secrets from them?
Do we need to see and hear Boo sleep?

The answer is no, yet DBS did it.


DBS Super Hero wasn't even about Goku, yet they turned him into a clown.

[Yuji]

Am I the only one who is willing to cut Super some slack on the animation and art because the VA and OST are top-tier? Certainly I've never come across anyone saying the same. The voice acting and OST, such underrated aspects of a visual medium, yet so important all the same.

When your comparison is Dragon Ball and Dragon Ball Z, then no. Sumitomo isn't Kikuchi, nor even Tokunaga, and all the seiyuu are unfortunately far past their prime performances; the addition of new roles such as Miki (Zamasu) and Hanawa (Jiren) can only offset so much when we have to listen to Nozawa and Horikawa's tired and rough performances episode by episode (not that they're not able to produce moments of brilliance, still).

But I think Super's animation concerns are a bit overblown. Daima is of course more consistent and better animated on the regular, but as much as I love the Tamagami #3 fight and think it's probably the best choreographed fight in modern Dragon Ball, the rest of the show despite looking pretty lacks impressive choreography or oomph. Super's highs, in general, are more entertaining to witness; it's a show based around spectacle, first and foremost.

[SupremeKai25]

Am I the only one who is willing to cut Super some slack on the animation and art because the VA and OST are top-tier? Certainly I've never come across anyone saying the same. The voice acting and OST, such underrated aspects of a visual medium, yet so important all the same.

When your comparison is Dragon Ball and Dragon Ball Z, then no. Sumitomo isn't Kikuchi, nor even Tokunaga, and all the seiyuu are unfortunately far past their prime performances; the addition of new roles such as Miki (Zamasu) and Hanawa (Jiren) can only offset so much when we have to listen to Nozawa and Horikawa's tired and rough performances episode by episode (not that they're not able to produce moments of brilliance, still).

But I think Super's animation concerns are a bit overblown. Daima is of course more consistent and better animated on the regular, but as much as I love the Tamagami #3 fight and think it's probably the best choreographed fight in modern Dragon Ball, the rest of the show despite looking pretty lacks impressive choreography or oomph. Super's highs, in general, are more entertaining to witness; it's a show based around spectacle, first and foremost.

Hmm, yes, I suppose the Japanese version is inferior compared to the original, simply because of how much time has passed and the actors got older. Nevertheless Nozawa as Goku Black is constantly brought up as one of the best performances in the entire franchise. That voice makes Goku sound eerily creepy and maniacal.

A truly perfect villain design. I don't know how else to put it.

However the dub for Super is the only Dragon Ball English dub that I can listen to. The dubs of the previous series make my ears bleed (except for Kai but Kai is practically a proto version of Super).

[super michael]

This is a minor nitpick but in DBS they went overboard with ATATATA. It isn't a huge deal, but I just wanted to point it out.

[BootyCheeksJohnson]

I don't know how to answer this, honestly. Both had advantages and disadvantages. Super was rushed out the gate, with terrible quality animation. Thankfully, it got better. When Super came out, I was just happy to have SOMETHING Dragon Ball, after so much time. But in retrospect, Super feels like it's constantly throwing everything at the wall and seeing what sticks. First (after a pointless recap/retcon of the movies), we get a tournament between universes 6 and 7. Not exciting, but it's a nice little competition to start with, reminiscent of OG Dragon Ball. Introduced some interesting characters, although I was disappointed when Frost turned out to be evil. Then, we got the Future Trunks arc, which was the closest it ever got to feeling like Z, IMO. But the time travel shenanigans were confusing, and the conclusion was so...unsatisfying. Then we got another tournament, which had some good moments, but the conclusion was very predictable, and the fan speculation that the third of the universes that were previously deleted were accidentally wished back just...never happened. Then got Broly, even though we JUST GOT fem Broly in previous tournament. Fan speculated it was Yamoshi, but HAHA, you thought that legends about Yamoshi would ever play into the plot? After that, we get Android Saga 2.0. Overall, very directionless and uninspired. Funimation seems to have this impulsive need to throw pointless, new transformations at us constantly, and it gets old quick. Honestly, felt like fan speculations were 100x more interesting than anything Super ever gave us.

I think you meant Toei/Shueisha, not Funimation. As for the Broli movie coming out just after introducing Kale I think that came about due to multiple projects being developed at the same time. The Broli movie's production crossed over with Super's so it's difficult to tell which idea came first, and how far apart without a clear timeline of events.

[Zephyr]

Then got Broly, even though we JUST GOT fem Broly in previous tournament.

As for the Broli movie coming out just after introducing Kale I think that came about due to multiple projects being developed at the same time. The Broli movie's production crossed over with Super's so it's difficult to tell which idea came first, and how far apart without a clear timeline of events.

I think a funny and very likely not intended consequence of this is that Kale serves to inadvertently foreshadow Broli. Like, we've got an alternate Freeza, sure makes sense, and we've got an alternate Broli, s- oh. An alternate Broli implies a non-alternate Broli doesn't it?

At least it feels that way to me, in hindsight.

[M16U3L2015]

For animation and character design, Daima.

For music and seiyuu performances, Super.

Both have many flaws in their writing but personally I was more interested with Super especially during the Tournament of Power.

Maybe when Daima ends, I'll watch all the episodes together my opinion will change, but as a weekly anime, Super was more entertaining.

[Baggie_Saiyan]

Although Daima has a more detailed story, in Super the story and lore were explained through the events of the plot. Not in Daima, in Daima the characters stop to explain things, completely cutting the pace of the series. That way of telling things is a disaster for any series in general and for an adventure series like Daima it is disastrous. Super is much more inconsistent in plot, script, sagas, animation and drawing. Even so, Super is more entertaining than Daima and the characters are much more interesting. The characters of Glorio and Panzy have had 0 development throughout the series. They are super flat, bland, boring and lifeless characters. The adventure is super boring and repetitive (the ship breaks down 5 times in 20 episodes, that's surreal).

It is completely disappointing that they have spent 2 years preparing this anime, the only good thing they have done is the animation because the script is extremely boring. It's the worst Dragon Ball product by far. Knowing that they have been doing this instead of Super's return makes the matter even worse.

I have been enjoying Daima (until the last couple episodes) but you make some very good points in fact your last paragraph mirror the exact thoughts of the Japanese fans too! They really didn't hold back in their criticisms of the script writing in the last episode. I totally understand why ever since they got to the first realm it has felt like padding to increase the length of the show for air time.

Also I agree about the adventure aspect too. I have been re-watching GT at the same time and outside of the giant planet (which is my fav episode of Daima) it has been very flat compared to GT, like the ED promised so much that regard but we barely got anything.

Daima is basically giving DBS movie retelling vibes I don't know why this couldn't have been a movie instead of an almost 2 cour series because you are right the new characters probably would have got the same development in a movie... (Panzy is at least a bit bubbly but my god Glorio is boring af)

Even then when it comes to character we know Bulma has been kinda pointless addition, Panzy is already good at mechanics so if you remove Bulma nothing in Daima changes at all. Hell even Vegeta or Piccolo didn't need to be there you remove Team B and Daima doesn't change since Goku would definitely have gotten the 2nd DB.

[kemuri07]

It’ll be no surprise to anyone that I vastly prefer Daima to Super. By virtue of being a much smaller show in both episode size and scope, I let a lot of things in Daima slide that probably would have annoyed me in a long form anime—and that’s super.

People complain about the pacing issues of Daima: I have no idea how they got through Super, since it is absolutely some of the worst paced anime I’ve seen in awhile, and I think that’s true even when Super supposedly got “better.” As I often say, I think people “forget” how wonky Super was, especially during the first couple of arcs but that definitely continued onto the later arcs. Yes people remember the set pieces but that’s like only a couple of cool moments in a 100+ episode anime.

[Saiyan007]

Easily super everything only thing i give Daima over super is the consistently good animation

Super has a better soundtrack, better moments, doesn't turn them into kids for nostalgia and was closer to giving me a DBZ feel more than anything

Ultra instinct breaking the internet is something i could never see Daima doing

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Am I the only one who is willing to cut Super some slack on the animation and art because the VA and OST are top-tier? Certainly I've never come across anyone saying the same. The voice acting and OST, such underrated aspects of a visual medium, yet so important all the same.

Fused Zamasu(subbed) has some of the best voice acting in the franchsie imo and DB Super Ost is just so good i find myself listening to many songs from the show

[AliTheZombie13]

Ultra instinct breaking the internet is something i could never see Daima doing

Personally, Ultra Instinct was a dumb technique, made possible by one of the largest ass pulls this franchise has ever pulled, that could only ever be justified by making Goku's character dumber and forcing him to relearn a lesson he's already learned ever since he was a child.

I'd rather not have Daima, or anything really, prioritize superficial elements that will surely give it more popularity points over the Internet if that means we get something of questionable quality in return.

[Saiyan007]

Personally, Ultra Instinct was a dumb technique, made possible by one of the largest ass pulls this franchise has ever pulled, that could only ever be justified by making Goku's character dumber and forcing him to relearn a lesson he's already learned ever since he was a child.

I'd rather not have Daima, or anything really, prioritize superficial elements that will surely give it more popularity points over the Internet if that means we get something of questionable quality in return.

how is it dumb?

The ability for your body to react for you is an interesting concept

[AliTheZombie13]

how is it dumb?

The ability for your body to react for you is an interesting concept

In the anime, Ultra Instinct is awakened by Goku tanking a Genki Dama... That's a ridiculously dumb and contrived way to solve the massive gap between him and Jiren, especially when you take into account what the technique actually does. I really don't understand the logic that Goku getting hit with a Genki Dama in his face somehow translates to him learning to let his body dodge beyond relying on his senses and somehow gives him a massive power boost? It makes me question, if Goku had lost the struggle to Boo, would he also unlock some super secret special technique that the audience was completely unaware of?

My distaste towards it only got amplified the minute I remembered that Goku, by all means, already learned all of this by training with Mr. Popo and Kami. I still remember light as day complaining about this very fact on the Internet, only to get lambasted by the fandom, and then having the manga basically confirm my suspicious by having Master Roshi explicitly tell the audience that Goku has, in fact, gotten dumber and forgotten all the training he's ever had with his previous masters, and he should already know all of this.

And now, that brings a more serious question: If Goku already knows all of this, why does he even need Ultra Instinct to begin with? Why does he need the sparkly white aura show-off that he didn't have before for something he already knew how to do? Why does he need a mastered version of a technique he has already mastered when he was a child? All of this screams to me that Ultra Instinct was something the writers came up with just for the sake of Spectacle and nothing else.

Mind you, I'm not saying any of this to discredit your love for Super, or for liking this technique.
But I really, really fail to see what's so great about it. "Because the Internet loved it" is a worthless factor.

[JulieYBM]

The Genki-dama is a sphere of pure genki from other fighters. Becoming immersed in it and shocked by it during a critical moment mid-battle is a pretty good explanation for how it could have prepped Gokuu for learning how to use Ultra Instinct.