Dragon Ball Daima: Episode 17 - Official Discussion Thread

[JulieYBM]

^ Except the fourth episode was great. The entire first half of the show was consistently great.

Daima still has enough time to provide some satisfactory payoff. We'll see if it succeeds.

I'm not going to write a dozen paragraphs explaining why tensionless fights combined with lore dumped that doesn't really reflect on the characters' arcs does not make for a good television series, but given that Daima has consistently been that across the series—gags intermixed along the way—it is hardly surprising that the last handful of episodes have been instep with those early episodes.

I'm not doing a bit here, I just think that Daima sucks.

Did people forget about Goku vs Jiren in Super that was mostly carried by Goku unlocking both UI and MUI and the Ultimate Battle OST, this one in Daima seemingly will rely on next weeks episode whatever the "awakening" means (either new form or a fusion)

It wasn’t exactly perfect, but it was something. Gokuu and Jiren had an ideological clash. Jiren's ideology was rooted in his trauma and Gokuu's was rooted in his experiences. Gokuu kept trying to get stronger during the tournament and showed step-by-step improvement. Jiren kept shutting down anyone he saw as weaker in spirit than him. They clash and ultimately what defeats Jiren isn't Gokuu's individuality, but his ability to work with others to defeat Jiren, while Jiren is losing to the one thing he feared being vulnerable to—bonds with others. I think Super should have given all of the focus characters flashbacks to bolster their character arcs and save on the number of necessary action cuts, though. That was a major flaw there.

Also, that Kushida Akira song really is fuckin' awesome.

[AliTheZombie13]

I just think it's funny that you cited the fourth episode, which explicitly has worldbuilding connected to one of the characters they've been travelling with. That whole first half of the series has all kinds of things that people (intentionally?) overlook.

A lot of the criticisms in this subforum have been more shallow than how they attempt to spin the series, to be honest.

To be fair, it's easy to overlook these things when they're the most generic things ever and they rarely, if ever, reflect on anything in the story itself. I'm not gonna lie, I found it amusing last week when you commented that Shin vs. Degesu was supposed to be, and I quote, "a criticism of self-serving totalitarianism and the caste systems that result from it." Rather than just... You know... Some generic good guy vs. bad guy trash-talk. Toriyama ain't that deep.

And besides, you can find things like that plastered in every single kids' show. Daima ain't special.

[Mr Baggins]

I'm not gonna lie, I found it amusing last week when you commented

Dawg, I don't particularly care what you find amusing. We've established time and again (not just me, but literally multiple users here) that you haven't been coming into these threads with a sincere attitude at all. You couldn't possibly be more transparent.

Case in point of many cases in point – you posting "Daima failed me" Kami knows how many times only to go right back to posting the same exact content in every single thread. That isn't a substantive contribution; it's borderline spam.

But it's especially noteworthy this time because you chose to follow it up with "Power to y'all, I'm out", which you, of course, almost immediately went back on. So are you out or no?

[AliTheZombie13]

Case in point of many cases in point – you posting "Daima failed me" Kami knows how many times only to go right back to posting the same exact content in every single thread.

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That isn't a substantive contribution; it's borderline spam.

I don't blind praise shows I'm not enjoying in a discussion forum to appease people, I'm sorry.
If I think something is boring the hell out of me, I will tell them it's boring the hell out of me, and explain exactly why.

But it's especially noteworthy this time because you chose to follow it up with "Power to y'all, I'm out", which you, of course, almost immediately went back on. So are you out or no?

I'm absolutely out of trying to find any enjoyable or interesting qualities about Daima, it's a dead end.
Out of explaining why I think it's one of the most generic, boring things I have ever seen in my life? Especially when you come here to call people's criticisms of it shallow? Absolutely not.

[Koitsukai]

Loved it, although to me it felt more like a DBS episode than a Z one.
Perhaps because of the ToP references, and not just the buffed up Pride Trooper. That shot from above of Gomah with his arms crossed, surrounded by people shooting their greatest blasts at him only for a shield to get rid of all of that like it was nothing. I guess Toriyama or Toei really liked Jiren.

Loved Kuu chasing a butterfly with a stick, loved his fighting style. Loved it that they both thanked Arinsu when she let them go help the guys, I also love that they didn't turn out to be the villains. Kuu (the fat one, I still can't tell who's Kuu or Duu) saving Goku was awesome.

Neva sending T-1 to fight was great, too. And to think people got so hung up with the reason why the let him join them (plothole, dealbreaker, Jeez...).

Glorio is becoming a problem. What happened with all the secrecy and double agent stuff they were building him up with? it's like he just met the Glind siblings for the first time. I don't think this plot point can be saved by now, Glorio is already helping them. No inner turmoil, no inner conflict, no warning from Arinsu, nothing. I bet at the end of the day somebody will say "hey, thanks for deciding not to betray us"... "oh you knew about it... suimasen".

I also didn't like the fact that they are saving their strongest forms for later... but isn't this the endgame? why isn't Geets going all out when Gomah is taking care of 7 people at the same time? I hope Goku was more bugs in his bag, because having wasted the last one vs those mooks when using more power would've prevented that would suck.

And Piccolo really tagged alone just because. I agree Shin fighting now and not before doesn't really make sense.
Prediction: Goku won't get a new form, he will regain his adult body. If there's some spoiler saying otherwise, please, please don't @ me.

[Mr Baggins]

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Okay:

If I criticize other shows like Power Rangers and Digimon for using the same bullshit tactic to stall for time, what makes you think I won't use it against Dragon Ball? Because your beloved Toriyama is writing it? Get real.

So, it's gonna remain this boring, generic drivel for the foreseeable future.

Here's the thing:
I can't have fun with this. It's repetitive, it's predictable, it's boring

Daima is just being its regular, predictable, boring self.

As much as I'd like to turn off my brain and forget I have already seen all of this predictable, boring shit done before, I can't.

Power to those who prefer the Toriyama Charm Dragon Ball™, but I really failed to connect with Daima.

Alright, I can officially say it: Daima failed me.

This is a small fraction of you repeating the same shit with different wording, although sometimes it's more or less identical wording, and I chose these quotes because they're some of the most recent. If you're right about anything, I shouldn't have called it "shallow". What it actually is is spam.

I don't blind praise shows I'm not enjoying in a discussion forum to appease people, I'm sorry.
If I think something is boring the hell out of me, I will tell them it's boring the hell out of me, and explain exactly why.

This is also something you've repeated countless times. "This is boring the hell out of me" and "I'm done with Daima" or "Daima failed me", except you're not actually done and are still one of the first people to comment every week.

Again, what would be preferable is if you stopped deflecting for once and just answered the question: are you out or no?

[nineko]

Better than other episodes, still far from good.

Neva could have called the other two Tamagamis via telepathy or something.

Also, the logical thing to do at the beginning of the episode would have been "hey Arinsu, if you let us use the dragon balls to become adults, Earth's dragon balls would reactivate and you could use those ones for your wish", except that her wish is a bad thing, so yeah, I can see why they didn't suggest such a trade.

Too bad Goku lost the bugs, I wasn't missing the recurring gag of the ever missing senzu beans (sorry for the repetition, it wasn't on purpose).

And yeah, Vegeta should have used Super Saiyan 3 from the beginning, alongside Goku. This isn't a fight against padding such as the Gendarmerie. Just like they used Super Saiyan 4 against the evil dragons and Super Saiyan Blue against Jiren, this is the final fight (I think), why are they still holding back? What are they saving their stamina for?

Furthermore, even if they can't find the fusion bugs (it's obvious that they will, but still), they can still use Nahare's potaras to fuse. Except that they don't know about the retconned time limit yet, so they won't.

What a mess.

[JulieYBM]

My guess: Arinsu will delay her plans so that Gokuu and friends can return to being adults and decide to just work on either creating a stronger sibling for Duu and Kuu or find a way for them to power up. Maybe the fusion bug will come into play and she'll find her way to eventually challenge the Tamagami that way?

[FortuneSSJ]

I have the sneaking suspicion that the series' lack of action animators and action-specialist directors is catching up with them. Well, that and the bizarre use of animators in general.

Where the hell Futoshi Higashide has been? That man carried Goku Black arc action on its back.

[Koitsukai]

Designs usually tell a story, Goku's gi says how he sees himself (student/non-student/earthling), Vegeta's slowly shedding his armor until showing at EoZ without one, GT Gohan wearing a suit tells he no longer fights; so naturally, Gomah wearing the Pride Troopers' spandex shouldn't be just a coincidence.

However, the fact that Glorio was hint as a double agent from the start, and IIRC he even messaged Arinsu at some point, and that it seems to have been dropped altogether makes me think Gomah's clothing might just be something of no relevance at all.

But if there is something there, then there could be a connection between Gomah, the chibi Pride Trooper, and I dare to say the demon that killed Jiren's master.

[Zephyr]

But if there is something there, then there could be a connection between Gomah, the chibi Pride Trooper, and I dare to say the demon that killed Jiren's master.

I think it's just a matter of Toriyama having reoccurring design motifs, rather than hints of some deeper connection.

[JulieYBM]

This won't happen, but it would be hilarious if we learn that Gomah eventually founds the Pride Troopers. Gomah in a 'team manager' role seems ripe for fun interactions.

I also wouldn't be surprised if Gomah is just a reused design from the planning stages of the Tournament of Power arc. Rofl

[AliTheZombie13]

This is a small fraction of you repeating the same shit with different wording, although sometimes it's more or less identical wording, and I chose these quotes because they're some of the most recent. If you're right about anything, I shouldn't have called it "shallow". What it actually is is spam.

(sigh)

I can't help how I feel about this show.
I'm sorry, I know you're a big fan, but Daima has consistently frustrated me week after week.
And every time it turns out not good, I have every right to come here to say that. This is a discussion forum.
You may think it's spam, you may not like it, but those are my honest, sincere feelings about this show.
Just as you are free to come here with your blind praise of it and spam with "Daima don't miss!"

As much as I would like to come here on a random Friday, and proudly declare, "I love Daima, this episode blew me out of the water <3"
It's just not doing that, so you will hear me say, "I'm glad this show is finally ending!" in the form of that GIF.
And apparently, to my shock and horror, many people here consider Super better than it.
I'm sorry, my man. I know you're a big fan. But Daima just ain't that good.

Again, what would be preferable is if you stopped deflecting for once and just answered the question: are you out or no?

Obviously, no. I ain't stopping watching Daima. There's only 3 episodes left and I have nothing better to do.
But I am done trying to like this show. It's garbage. Nothing it does afterwards will change my opinion of it.

[Zekken]

8/10
Great second half, felt like we were back in the DBS broly movie again. So great to see Dragon ball get this kind of love in episode format.

[nineko]

Gomah does have some resemblance to Belmod, both looking like the Joker from Batman clowns, it wouldn't be that big of a retcon to say that they're brothers, or at least from the same race. It would fit so well.

[YamiGoku]

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Bro, everyone has their own opinion, you love Daima, we hate Daima,etc, we dont need to attack each other, if they keep saying something you don't like (and you already have devated with them manny times) just ignore them, I cant speak for them, but I'm very vocal about my hate for Daima, personally waiting years for an animated DB project just to be Dragon Ball attack of the Filler was very disappointing for me, and i will never stop saying how shit Trashma is (IMO), but I won't scream at everyone who thinks different.

[Mr Baggins]

I can't help how I feel about this show.

Except this has nothing to do with how you "feel" and everything to do with how you choose to engage with other people and what you yourself said about whether you're even continuing to follow it. The fact that you answered my question with "no I'm not actually out, despite saying I'm out" proves what I and several others have been saying about your attitude lacking any sincerity whatsoever.

I don't have a problem with criticism in general, or at least some of it. Just mainly yours in particular because you're generally saying a whole lot of nothing.

Just as you are free to come here with your blind praise of it

If it was "blind praise", I wouldn't have added my own critiques and even agreed with others posted here. But since you've effectively just admitted you're going to spam the same shit regardless of what the show does, I'm adding you to my ignore list.

Bro, everyone has their own opinion

Obviously.

[AliTheZombie13]

Except this has nothing to do with how you "feel" and everything to do with how you choose to engage with other people and what you yourself said about whether you're even continuing to follow it. The fact that you answered my question with "no I'm not actually out, despite saying I'm out" proves what I and several others have been saying about your attitude lacking any sincerity whatsoever.

I don't have a problem with criticism in general, or at least some of it. Just mainly yours in particular because you're generally saying a whole lot of nothing.

OK, here's what you do: Avatar -> Click -> "Add foe."
Solved. Don't worry, done that myself, I won't bother you again.

I'm sorry you feel so insulted about my "nothing" criticisms, but what can I say? They're on par with Daima itself. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[Venus]

This episode was better but it came too late, way too late.

This second half of Daima has been nothing but disappointment after disappointment. I won't drop the series because there are only three episodes left to end otherwise this would be the first DB series I'd drop. It's honestly such a a shame because Daima could have been so much better.

Daima just doesn't do it for me.

[JulieYBM]

These back-and-forth posts aren't fun to read (shame on me for continuingto do so, I guess), so I really have to wonder if they're even fun to write for you two?

We can just stop. We don't need to keep talking about shit that isn't fun, especially when we're just devolving into passive aggressive retorts.