Super or Daima

[FoolsGil]

I wonder how many of these Super fans were bashing it when it was still airing but that is neither here or there...

I feel out of all the Post Z anime to have come out, Daima is the most consistently plotted, has the best animation, and has the most interesting characters. Now, is it safe? Yes. It does lack GT's and Super's ambition. However it's even keeled. GT's and Super's highs are higher. But when GT and Super falls? IT FALLS HARD, and some people forget that - you know who you are - and Heroes...There was no ambition beyond Lets You and Him Fight, so Daima easily surpasses it

Toei needed a win for Dragonall media. This is that win. Boring? At times. Practical? Yes. But gives a show that won't be a mess of memes and negative reception years after the fact, and could be viewed fondly by more people? You bet.

[SupremeKai25]

Toei needed a win for Dragonall media. This is that win. Boring? At times. Practical? Yes. But gives a show that won't be a mess of memes and negative reception years after the fact, and could be viewed fondly by more people? You bet.

Uhm, what? How was Super not a "win" for Dragon Ball media? Between the anime, Broly, and Super Hero, Toei most certainly wasn't lacking in that department.

Where's that "negative reception years after the fact"? That's certainly not what I've seen online.

[FoolsGil]

Toei needed a win for Dragonall media. This is that win. Boring? At times. Practical? Yes. But gives a show that won't be a mess of memes and negative reception years after the fact, and could be viewed fondly by more people? You bet.

Uhm, what? How was Super not a "win" for Dragon Ball media? Between the anime, Broly, and Super Hero, Toei most certainly wasn't lacking in that department.

Where's that "negative reception years after the fact"? That's certainly not what I've seen online.

Did Toei make money with Super properties? Yes. But fan reception has always been low for the anime. And at least in Japan, Super Hero wasn't well received because it wasn't a Goku Movie. And yes, negative reception years after: If something wasn't well received when it was airing, it's going to be talked about for years.

[SupremeKai25]

Toei needed a win for Dragonall media. This is that win. Boring? At times. Practical? Yes. But gives a show that won't be a mess of memes and negative reception years after the fact, and could be viewed fondly by more people? You bet.

Uhm, what? How was Super not a "win" for Dragon Ball media? Between the anime, Broly, and Super Hero, Toei most certainly wasn't lacking in that department.

Where's that "negative reception years after the fact"? That's certainly not what I've seen online.

But fan reception has always been low for the anime.

That's not what I've seen on Reddit, X, Youtube, Instagram, Tiktok, basically anywhere.

That's not what I'm seeing here.

https://x.com/tfwPhoebe/status/1520495972433936385

[Zekken]

Super....

Way more ambitious story in both character work, drama and fights.

[dbs fanboy]

Speaking of which, I also just can't buy into the whole adventure aspect of Daima. It simply doesn't work with Dragon Ball because road trip adventure stories live and die by their characters where the adventure itself is a transformative experience like in say, Hunter x Hunter, and the Dragon Ball cast are just too one-dimensional for that. It was never Toriyama's strong suit, no matter how much he wanted it to be.

It worked fairly well in the Pilaf and Red Ribbon arcs, would also personally include Black Star/Baby on that one.
Daima's just bad at it.

Just let this series rest already.

Agreed, 100%.

Idk if I would include GT in here, while more charming and with more personality than Daima it was also a slog suffering from similar issues at some points. And I don't consider Baby a part of the adventure trip.


With OG db it works because Toriyama does something with the characters, Goku is a growing and developing kid changing the world around him.

The jokes also hit much better because Toriyama on his peak was unhinged and didn't keep it safe like Daima
does. Og Db being a semi Gag manga with ridiculous silky stuff like Goku throwing a Rabbit to the moon, helped greatly with the tone. Modern Dragon Ball is too serious for its own good.

[dbs fanboy]

I wonder which characters people prefers Daima or DBS.

Goku I will have to say Daima is way better. Chi Chi hasn't been bad in Daima at all.
As for making a list, I will wait when Daima finish.

Super may have been incredibly inconsistent but it did something at least.

Goku was incredibly dumb but here and there you had some moments of interesting characterization like his whole thing with Freeza during the ToP.

Super 's filler and slice of life benefitted it too.

Super characters have much more personality to them, Caulifla, Hit, Zamasu, Goku Black, Ribrianne, Topo are good examples of that.

What I will say tho, is that Daima's characters are pretty charming with their little things, like the bootleg Ginyu force being dorks and nice guys, they totally feel part of Toriyama's silly world, I just wish something was done with it!

The Supermarket scene with Diu and Kui made me wish Daima was just a slice of life with episodic episodes exploring the Demon realm, kinda like the vibes Jojo's Part 4 give.

[Lord Beerus]

Super.

And it's a goddamn shame because I really wanted to like Daima but nothing about it has managed to stand out. It certainly swung for fences when it came to expanding the cosmology of Dragon Ball, but that means nothing if it doesn't do anything to enrich the characterisation or the interpersonal interactions and dynamics of the cast (new and old). Every character in Daima feels so static characterisation that any story or character beat always falls flat with them.

Super was a production mess that was visually schizophrenic and creatively suffered from a constant change in creative direction, but it tried SO HARD to still be entertaining despite what was going on behind the scenes. And the results were... mixed. From a character and story beat standpoint, its highs are much higher than Daima's highs, but its lows were so much lower than Daima's lows. But, despite its inconsistency in damn near every department, I distinctly remember many aspects of Super. Hit stomping Vegeta, the reappearance of Kaioken, the introduction of Goku Black, Goku Black's origin reveal, the reveal of Future Zamasu as Goku Black's partner, Vegetto Blue, the ending of the Future Trunks arc, Hit killing Goku, the reintroduction of #17, the reintroduction of Freeza, Goku attaining Ultra Instinct, the creation of Kefla, the final fight with Jiren and I'm probably forgetting other moments, but you get the point. Daima, for not wanting to rock the boat too much, becomes a bore to watch at times and I struggle to remember what really happened in that show. Not helped by the fact the pacing of Daima is terrible, especially for a show that is only 20 episodes.

And you know, the more I watch Daima, the more I think it was less of the series that wanted to be ambitious with its narrative and more of a proof of concept for Toei to show that they could make a consistently decently animated Dragon Ball series after the production mess that was Super.

[AliTheZombie13]

Idk if I would include GT in here, while more charming and with more personality than Daima it was also a slog suffering from similar issues at some points. And I don't consider Baby a part of the adventure trip.

Hence why I said personally. It's not for everybody.
I like the Pan/Goku/Giru development stuff, which a lot of people find annoying.
Agree to disagree.

I just said Black Star/Baby because it's really just one whole arc, not two.

[dbs fanboy]

Idk if I would include GT in here, while more charming and with more personality than Daima it was also a slog suffering from similar issues at some points. And I don't consider Baby a part of the adventure trip.

Hence why I said personally. It's not for everybody.
I like the Pan/Goku/Giru development stuff, which a lot of people find annoying.
Agree to disagree.

I just said Black Star/Baby because it's really just one whole arc, not two.

Oh I don't mean by this that GT was any bad at all, again it's characters have more charm than Daima, Giru and Pan actually get an arc and development.

Just that in terms of good Dragon Ball adventure story I don't think it's comparable to OG Db either for similar reasons as to why I would not find Daima comparable.

However, GT, just like Super, tries, at least.

[AliTheZombie13]

Oh I don't mean by this that GT was any bad at all, again it's characters have more charm than Daima, Giru and Pan actually get an arc and development.

Just that in terms of good Dragon Ball adventure story I don't think it's comparable to OG Db either for similar reasons as to why I would not find Daima comparable.

However, GT, just like Super, tries, at least.

Not comparable, no. Nothing will ever top the Pilaf arc's black humor or the fact every single character was a psychopath trying to kill each other. But it's neat.

[The Monkey King]

Toei needed a win for Dragonall media. This is that win. Boring? At times. Practical? Yes. But gives a show that won't be a mess of memes and negative reception years after the fact, and could be viewed fondly by more people? You bet.

What? The DBS movies are better examples of Toei "wins", with DBS Broly being a key standout in terms of hype and positive reception.

Meanwhile Daima is on its way to being memory holed as Dragon Ball's boring toddler series with nice animation.

[AliTheZombie13]

I would rather really not have another "win" like this.
I don't give a shit about the pretty animation. It's a plus, sure, but without a good story to back it up, it's as torturous as watching the worst filler episodes of this franchise. I would take another anime with garbage animation if that meant we actually had a good story for once. Both would be nice, though.

[Majin Buu]

Count me for Daima.

Daima consistently entertains me.

Super only starts sorta-kinda entertaining me at the Universe Survival Saga and only became outright enjoyable with SuperHero.

I don't have issues with characterization in Daima.

Characterization is one of my biggest issues with Super.

Unlike Super, I'm not constantly checking how many episodes I have left to get through with Daima, because I'm actively enjoying Daima.

With Super, I was mostly passively watching it because I was only occasionally finding it amusing until, again, the Tournament of Power; where the show's quality as a whole gets kicked up a notch from "occasionally amusing" to "sorta-kinda entertaining".

And despite being even further removed from the end of the original series than Super, Daima feels more in-sync with the original series than Super does for me (it lacking Super's characterization issues is a huge contributor to that).

While Super often feels like it's operating off of people's memories of the original series more than the original series itself.

[The Monkey King]

Count me for Super please

[Extreme_kai]

I wonder how many of these Super fans were bashing it when it was still airing but that is neither here or there...

I feel out of all the Post Z anime to have come out, Daima is the most consistently plotted, has the best animation, and has the most interesting characters. Now, is it safe? Yes. It does lack GT's and Super's ambition. However it's even keeled. GT's and Super's highs are higher. But when GT and Super falls? IT FALLS HARD, and some people forget that - you know who you are - and Heroes...There was no ambition beyond Lets You and Him Fight, so Daima easily surpasses it

Toei needed a win for Dragonall media. This is that win. Boring? At times. Practical? Yes. But gives a show that won't be a mess of memes and negative reception years after the fact, and could be viewed fondly by more people? You bet.

Most people here are not 'Super fans' Most of us are saying Super is flawed and outright bad, but still more entertaining than Daima. I watch shows to be entertained not bored to tears. Daima is not a win. It's viewership and overall interest is way lower than any Dragonball product thus far. No one is talking about Daima, because no one wanted Daima. Most people wanted the super anime to continue. Those are the facts.

[SupremeKai25]

I wonder how many of these Super fans were bashing it when it was still airing but that is neither here or there...

I feel out of all the Post Z anime to have come out, Daima is the most consistently plotted, has the best animation, and has the most interesting characters. Now, is it safe? Yes. It does lack GT's and Super's ambition. However it's even keeled. GT's and Super's highs are higher. But when GT and Super falls? IT FALLS HARD, and some people forget that - you know who you are - and Heroes...There was no ambition beyond Lets You and Him Fight, so Daima easily surpasses it

Toei needed a win for Dragonall media. This is that win. Boring? At times. Practical? Yes. But gives a show that won't be a mess of memes and negative reception years after the fact, and could be viewed fondly by more people? You bet.

Most people here are not 'Super fans' Most of us are saying Super is flawed and outright bad, but still more entertaining than Daima. I watch shows to be entertained not bored to tears. Daima is not a win. It's viewership and overall interest is way lower than any Dragonball product thus far. No one is talking about Daima, because no one wanted Daima. Most people wanted the super anime to continue. Those are the facts.

Even I admitted that Super looks ugly and inconsistent. Sadly we cannot ignore simple facts like Super being in production for only a few months and its animators/artists being rushed.

But IMHO ugly art/animation is not a deal-breaker if the show excels in other departments. And as far as I'm concerned, Super had oustanding OST, outstanding VA work, entertaining fights with lots of unique fighting style and varied techniques, and interesting concepts. I still think Zamasu, in terms of villain concept, origins, and motivation, is the best villain in the entire franchise.

I can't wait for the Moro arc to be animated. Something tells me that Moro will also get his fair bit of popularity once he's exposed to the mainstream audience. I mean, an ancient warlock who drains the life-force of innocent like they're cattle to empower himself? That's a totally unique concept for a Dragon Ball villain.

[YamiGoku]

When Daima was announced I remember they said something about they taking their time to make it look good, and we well have to wait a whole year for them to finish.

(for me Daima doesn't look THAT good, but yeah it looks pretty and consistent I guess)

when we hear that, I got mad because that meant not only have to wait a whole year (plus the years we already waited) for a new DB series just for Daima to look good, and on top of that, we will not have anything else like a movie or Super 2.

Then I said I rather have a DB series with wonky animation in some places than have to wait a whole year for Daima just to look extra pretty and set everything else even farther away.

no one agreed with me everyone wanted good animation

I'm not pointing to anyone, just find it funny that now that we got Daima people rather have something like Super again.

[Kaboom]

I haven't even been actually watching Daima, but everything I've heard about it second-hand paints a picture that it is, at its worst, just somewhat repetitive and aimless. Which is still a far sight better than how Super spent most of the past decade being proactively terrible.

[dbs fanboy]

I haven't even been actually watching Daima, but everything I've heard about it second-hand paints a picture that it is, at its worst, just somewhat repetitive and aimless. Which is still a far sight better than how Super spent most of the past decade being proactively terrible.

Maybe........watch it then?