Dragon Ball Daima: Episode 17 - Official Discussion Thread

[BernardoCairo]

Regarding Gomah and the Third Eye, I know some people might not like that he gained his power through an item. But I think it fits well with Daima's JRPG themes and overall feel. It's something I would expect from a Dragon Quest game, and I think that was the intention.
I particularly liked the idea of ​​re-exploring some sort of "third eye" after so many years since the 22nd Tenkaichi Budokai. It's the kind of mythology that fits well with Dragon Ball.
I just don't understand why they made the final villain look so much like another very popular antagonist from the franchise

[FinalForumPodcast]

As many predicted, there were a lot of dangling plot threads and they all got thrust into the trash with "Shut up, Gomah is a bulky beast now and the final villain." I don't know if people specifically predicted Gomah or whatever, but all the storytelling just being shoved into the garbage with the big boss battle? Yeah, that was a concern from early on and it's coming home to roost

It's a fun enough show, but feels like it should have been shorter and just been a fun romp, or longer and actually told a story. Its in-between length is making it dissatisfying for a variety of reasons.

Oh well.

Maybe someone will make the Hybis, Kuu, Duu, Vegebull spinoff sitcom that I'd rather watch: "The Saiyan Prince and Buu Heirs"

[Koitsukai]

Aside from all those plot threads that seem to have been discarded, I'm more bothered by the presence of Piccolo. Why is he here? what can they be saving him for?
He only served as a listener, and to complicate the details of Neva's inclusion. There were many things he could've done: fight mooks and let the saiyans save their energies, fight the Gendarmerie Force, fight with Degesu even. Yet, he wasn't even allowed to be a meat shield.

I doubt Neva is hiding something and Piccolo is there to prove he is trying to double-cross them when they make their wish.

[AliTheZombie13]

Piccolo is there because people spent 3 decades complaining that GT would have turned out better if he, Vegeta and Bulma went along on the Grand Tour. Thanks to Daima, we know now that it really wouldn't have.

In all seriousness, everybody in the cast feels like they're just there just because.

[FinalForumPodcast]

Piccolo just standing around in the background for 17 episodes, and not even reacting to seeing his race's home world definitely makes it feel like he could have just as easily been written to be off with Gohan wherever he is and not involved in this show at all. Would some people then say "Where are Piccolo and Gohan?" Sure. But I'd rather head-canon some explanation like "Because they're not OLD like Goku, Vegeta and Bulma, they got turned into BABIES and are just at home pooping their pants" than sit around actually watching Piccolo just....stand there.

[omaro34]

Piccolo is definitely the 3rd wheel in the group after Goku and Vegeta. He fights mooks along with the Saiyans, knocked out Degasu, and is helping fight Gomah with the Saiyans.

He's Toriyama's favorite character, and I feel ever since the creation of Super Hero there has been a concerted effort to include him more into the story. Hell, the last image Toriyama drew that we know of was Piccolo waving which Toyotaro showed fans; there's a deep appreciation the late creator has with Piccolo. I think that trend will continue.

The presence of Neva being there and 3 episodes remaining does have me believe that there could be something planned for Piccolo in the final battle, we'll just have to wait and see.

[goku the krump dancer]

Rumors on the net are saying there is a BIG twist coming this Friday that’s also gonna lead into something next week.


W/e it is.. for the life of me I just want it to be entertaining. The last time I was truly interested in an idea that the show presented was the Rymus reveal.

[Mr Baggins]

The presence of Neva being there and 3 episodes remaining does have me believe that there could be something planned for Piccolo in the final battle, we'll just have to wait and see.

Yeah. I've said it countless times already for other characters, but we should just wait until the end before writing off Piccolo's role. He's already had a fair number of interactions with Neva that could come to an intriguing head in one of the coming episodes.

At the end of that recent Akio Iyoku interview, he encourages people to rewatch the show after finishing it to catch new details. Food for thought, if nothing else.

[AliTheZombie13]

Rumors on the net are saying there is a BIG twist coming this Friday that’s also gonna lead into something next week.


W/e it is.. for the life of me I just want it to be entertaining. The last time I was truly interested in an idea that the show presented was the Rymus reveal.

Why do I have a feeling it's gonna be the most superficial and boring "LOOK GUYZZZ IT'S SSJ4 LOOK HOW COOOL AND BADDAZZZ HE ISSS OMFG AREN'T YOU HAPPY DBGT FANS????!!!!!"

And I'm gonna be rolling my eyes hard, because there's no Pan to save it from being an uninteresting, spectacle-driven, hollow eye-sore.

[Majin Buu]

Piccolo just standing around in the background for 17 episodes, and not even reacting to seeing his race's home world definitely makes it feel like he could have just as easily been written to be off with Gohan wherever he is and not involved in this show at all. Would some people then say "Where are Piccolo and Gohan?" Sure. But I'd rather head-canon some explanation like "Because they're not OLD like Goku, Vegeta and Bulma, they got turned into BABIES and are just at home pooping their pants" than sit around actually watching Piccolo just....stand there.

Ok, say what you will about Piccolo not doing much up till this point, but the bolded part is flat out not true.

One of the first things the guy said upon setting foot there was that the place felt "familiar and pleasant".

That's literally him reacting to seeing his race's homeworld.

[Spencer_23]

Rumors on the net are saying there is a BIG twist coming this Friday that’s also gonna lead into something next week.


W/e it is.. for the life of me I just want it to be entertaining. The last time I was truly interested in an idea that the show presented was the Rymus reveal.

In for SS4 type form tbh. But I am intrigued either way. Show has been sorta mid so far, needs a spark.

[goku the krump dancer]

To be a bit fair I don’t think it’ll just be something as low hanging as a new and potentially one off transformation. I haven’t read any spoilers or anything BUT apparently this new reveal is supposed to be a really big deal for this story, so much so that between this week and next it’s gonna show us why Daima had to take place before Super in the first place.

Not tryna get anyone’s hopes up, I’m extremely cautiously optimistic and my expectations are super low, but we’ll see what happens.

[Chuquita]

I guess if it took place after Super that angry mini Beerus would probably put an end to Gomah within the first several episodes.

He's connected to Shin too, Beerus; now I wish he was along just so they could've interacted.

Seriously though, curious about them revealing the why Daima takes place when it does; that reveal of the animation being worked on before story was fully written leads me to think the opposite. (That Daima is just a longer 08' Jump Tour special so it takes place in a spot most are familiar with as not all parents/old fans have seen Super).

[LightBing]

Late to comment on the episode.
This is another poor episode by Daima, not delivering on it's final stretch. I still have a positive opinion on Daima overall but if the trend continues, I don't know where it'll end up.

My main complaint is how badly this is written to force artificial tension and "classical" moments.

The writers have Goku do something out-of-character because Gomah is that much of a threat - which I liked - but then they go on the opposite direction.
Goku and Vegeta don't go for their strongest forms, with the first apparently only really trying after the allies he called out are defeated. All to finish with a pretty SSJ3 Goku. It's dreadful.

Likewise Goku and Majin Doo combat. The latter was build up as a major threat and the fight is again without consequence, legitimately seems like they have a quota of having Base Goku using the nyoibō.

About Gomah, the design is my least favorite in a long time.
I like Gomah's power up, however we should have had him show skills beforehand for a sense of scale and to justify all characters saying to be careful about him.

Disappointed that the Glorio plotline hasn't come to fruition. It might still happen, I'll put a pin on that.

The animation on the group fight was amazing and the characters interactions were good.

I have quite a few plot points that I feel the show was building up and them delivering on those will make or break Daima for me.
New transformations or fusions or whatever are secondary.

[Saiya6Cit]

I love Daima, this episode blew me out of the water <3

This time I waited until today so that I could read the most amount of posts possible. Let's not lose the focus that what is in here are only opinions. Every one is entitled to their own opinion, and it is nothing more that that, an opinion and period.

It is similar as when one is making a reservation for a hotel or a restaurant, and one is likely to read the reviews at tripadvisor. There is always someone saying it was the worse, but one most go over the other reviews as well and compare the opinions and ultimately understand that if a big majority believes something is good, most likely is because it is. Some fans have grown in resentment, and it seems that ningun chile les embona, Spanish saying for "nothing satisfies them". The would take the the first opportunity to point out how cheap or bad dragon ball daima is as a product, but to tell the truth, DB was always like that. I would not know why some people is expecting to get a big cult anime out of daima, when this is DB we are talking here.

This episode was awesome, I like seing Duu and Kuu fight, it was a super exciting moment, a highlight of every Friday without dissapointment.

I did not know the show had only 3 episode left. As someone mentioned the quality in animation has been consistent, the level of action and fight coreography is great, the music is good too, the character design is acceptable. (Perhaps Gomah's design was to sell many unsold Jiren action figures? "Just change the head and get rid of the old inventory!" ). It is true Glorio did not have any background story, neither character development. Panzy barely had some of that... and it is also true that Piccolo and Bulma did nothing... Barely Vegeta was meaningful and only because of one fight. On this particular episode, he was humilliated....


Having said all of that. I have truly enjoyed daima. I hope that after the end of this saga it is not the end of daima and we get to see Bulma and Piccolo and Krillin and Gohan, Videl, Mr. Satan and Mr. Buu, Goten and Trunks havng adventures. Perhaps Krillin´s daugther starting training for example... Daima is full of possibilities. I love the show. I wish it would not end so soon.

[Chuquita]

I think the hardest thing about the next episode is gonna be trying not to get spoilered on it before getting a chance to see it.

_{I loved tracking down spoilers for Super when it was airing, but with Daima I've been going out of my way to go in as spoiler-free as possible.}

[Yuji]

I just noticed Goku's Gi doesn't turn bright yellow as he powers up into SS3. Minor nitpick but I liked the detail that the glow of the form was so intense it made it look like a different colour.

[Cybersai]

Looking back again, this ep was pretty good. I'm surprised this place was harsher on this ep whereas fans on reddit, twitter, etc. seemed to love this episode.

[FortuneSSJ]

This fight scene has been on my mind in the last days. I really like it.
Before Goku transformed the fight was boring and slow, but then they stepped up. A shame it was so short.