GT or Daima

[YamiGoku]

Fuck Daima!

I not only prefer GT, but I rather have Heroes back than Daima, yes it was trash but at least it was somewhat fun from time to time, Daima is just "Dragon Ball Filler The Series".


I dont care how Good the final battle is, or how good the new Fusion/transformation/or whatever is, havent wached since episode 14 and I'm not coming back!

[perucho1990]

If the climax is Goku vs Jiren level of great in terms of animation then that would easily put Daima over GT by a big margin imo

[Extreme_kai]

GT. Even though the beginning of GT bored me to tears, it still had things more interesting off the bat. Seeing the gang grow up and the little slice-of-life bits. I even enjoyed seeing Cell and Freeza being goofy goobers together in HIFL. Vegeta's mustache has more character development than any of the characters in Daima. (I wish I were joking). I was hoping to see some funny moments between Goku and Vegeta in Daima, but they barely talk. After the two groups join up, most of the characters just stand around doing nothing but lore dumping. No character growth, no meaningful or fun interactions, and Shin once again gets shafted. He's not beating the table lamp of a character accusation after Daima. He's just a narrative expositor like Speedwagon, but at least Speedwagon is more helpful to his crew. Daima is such a colossal letdown. I know that GT had more time to get better, but I don't think I'd be able to tolerate 20 more episodes of Daima.

[AliTheZombie13]

I know that GT had more time to get better, but I don't think I'd be able to tolerate 20 more episodes of Daima.

GT didn't have more time to get better, it began airing immediately after Z and whatever plans they had during pre-production got tossed out the window by Episode 3.

In stark contrast, I can't believe Daima had been in pre-production for years and somehow didn't come up with something more interesting than this.

[Extreme_kai]

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-Characters like Arinsu, Gomah, and the majins feel more interesting that anyone introduced in GT.

I'm really curious why you feel that way. What has Gomah or Arinsu done to make them more interesting than Baby, the Shadow dragons, or hell, the Para Para brothers? Arinsu had potential, but all she did was create two Majin and sit around doing nothing. Gomah has just been a whiny little pissant, watching everything happen around him while doing nothing of substance either. I know the bar is low, but at least the characters in GT did things, and had greater motivations than "I want to be the pirate king! No! I want to be the pirate king!"

[Extreme_kai]

I know that GT had more time to get better, but I don't think I'd be able to tolerate 20 more episodes of Daima.

GT didn't have more time to get better, it began airing immediately after Z and whatever plans they had during pre-production got tossed out the window by Episode 3.

In stark contrast, I can't believe Daima had been in pre-production for years and somehow didn't come up with something more interesting than this.

What I meant by that was, that GT had more episodes, therefore more time to get into potentially good arcs. Daima is just the 20 episodes and that's it. If it fails to catch interest in that short time frame, it's over. At least with GT, I had time to get to an arc I liked. I'm not trying to excuse Daima for its poor pacing, I'm just saying it had a shorter window to catch people's interest and I believe it failed. I despised the first few arcs of Gt. I loved all the Earth stuff, but as soon as they went into space I was annoyed. but I stuck in there because I heard rumors of Baby and ssj4 and wanted to see it through.

[Nanatsu88]

Giru's character development in 16 episodes of GT is infinitely greater than Glorio's in 16 episodes. With this it is clear what Daima's level is.

[Jord]

Daima feels like Toriyama started watching GT late in the evening, fell asleep and started working on Daima the next day. Which is ironic since Daima seems to put a lot of viewers asleep as well.

I feel it would have served Daima better if it was an multiverse/alternate story. That way, they would have had a lot more creative freedom. Heck, use Goku Xeno, has has an appealing design while looking like Goku. Or just preface the shoiw

[Basaku]

Daima feels like Toriyama started watching GT late in the evening, fell asleep and started working on Daima the next day. Which is ironic since Daima seems to put a lot of viewers asleep as well.

I feel it would have served Daima better if it was an multiverse/alternate story. That way, they would have had a lot more creative freedom. Heck, use Goku Xeno, has has an appealing design while looking like Goku. Or just preface the shoiw

Or just have it as Goten, Trunks and Marron's crazy mischevious adventure. If he was forced to develop their characters and have them lead, cause and react to the events unfolding it would naturally lead to for more interesting and fresh results than the nothingburger he had left for Goku and Vegeta as leads. No trying to be shady but even Toyo wrote these two more interestingly in the Granolah arc than Toriyama ever did in the entire revival era

[Jiren The Alpha]

Super and Daima is the best thing that ever happened too GT, now the fans are trying too gaslit people into thinking that the show is watchable lol.

[AliTheZombie13]

Super and Daima is the best thing that ever happened too GT, now the fans are trying too gaslit people into thinking that the show is watchable lol.

It's certainly more watchable than Cell and Boo. Sorry we have taste. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[Jiren The Alpha]

Super and Daima is the best thing that ever happened too GT, now the fans are trying too gaslit people into thinking that the show is watchable lol.

It's certainly more watchable than Cell and Boo. Sorry we have taste. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

You guys got that COVID-19 taste.

[Hugo Boss]

Both GT and Daima suffer from a similar issue for me: faking tension. It becomes tedious when Goku spends too many episodes fighting enemies who shouldn’t even be a match for a Super Saiyan. In GT, the most satisfying moments were when Goku actually had to push himself, whether that meant going SS1, SS2, or SS3. But once SS4 came into play, anything below that level became a chore to watch. Super 17 arc felt pointless, and they could’ve skipped straight to the Evil Dragons arc. Even then, only three of the dragons were truly interesting. Plus, the side characters were mostly wasted, especially Oob, who had so much potential. That said, I did enjoy Baby arc.

As for Daima, since it’s only about a third of GT’s length (at least for now), there’s been less filler-like content to criticize. The lore dumps are a huge plus, and I’ve really enjoyed Tamagami #3’s fight, SS3 Vegeta’s reveal, and Gomah as a villain. Right now, Daima is ahead for me, but I’ll wait until the series is finished before making a final judgment. I will just say both series could have been shorter, especially GT.

[Vegeta th3 4th]

GT always stuck the landing at the end of every arc. The Black Star arc ended with General Rildo and planet M-2 which many fans like. The Baby arc ended with the introduction of the iconic Ssj4. The Super 17 arc ended with #18 getting a moment to shine. The Shadow Dragons arc ended with the universal spirit bomb and Goku leaving with Shenron. I think the vast majority of fans will agree that the middle part of each arc left much to be desired, but at the very least each arc ended on a high note. Maybe not enough to completely salvage everything, but good enough to leave me with a positive impression.

Daima is only 3 episodes away from ending, and so far the climax has been just as average as the rest of the show. I've been hearing for over a month how "the next episode is it guys", only for nothing to happen. I guess 6th time is the charm so we'll see how today/tonight's episode turns out. Daima has done nothing particularly bad, but it also has done nothing impressive, it's just there. I have to agree with AliTheZombie 13 in saying that I can't believe this is what Toei spent so much time and talent on.

I'll go into far more details about the two shows and maybe even Super once Daima concludes, but so far GT has it beat in terms of arc conclusions.

[AliTheZombie13]

Daima is only 3 episodes away from ending, and so far the climax has been just as average as the rest of the show. I've been hearing for over a month how "the next episode is it guys", only for nothing to happen. I guess 6th time is the charm so we'll see how today/tonight's episode turns out. Daima has done nothing particularly bad, but it also has done nothing impressive, it's just there. I have to agree with AliTheZombie 13 in saying that I can't believe this is what Toei spent so much time and talent on.

I'll go into far more details about the two shows and maybe even Super once Daima concludes, but so far GT has it beat in terms of arc conclusions.

To be fair, Daima's worst sin for me is not just being inoffensively generic most of the time, it's also frustrating me with pointless expo dumps and dumb moments where the characters wait until the very end of the episode to transform.

If today turns out to be exactly what I think it will be, then it will be the perfect example why modern DB focuses strictly on spectacle and fanservice rather than a thoughtful and meaningful story.

[Vegeta th3 4th]

If today turns out to be exactly what I think it will be, then it will be the perfect example why modern DB focuses strictly on spectacle and fanservice rather than a thoughtful and meaningful story.

Can you blame it though ? Look at Ssj3 Vegeta. They put the bare minimum of story effort into it, yet somehow it had everyone talking and hyped for weeks. It didn't have the build up of him reaching the original Ssj, the hard work he had to put in to reach Grade two, the emotional impact of him revealing Ssj2 after reverting back to his evil roots (Majin), or the culmination of his entire journey resulting in him ascending to Ssj4 and finally becoming Goku's equal in strength.

If Goku reaches Ssj4 today or some version of it, the internet's going to break, despite it very unlikely being anywhere near as earned as it was in GT. Fans today no longer care about the actual journey of these characters, they just want colorful forms and fights. As someone who values Dragon Ball from a writing perspective, this mindset both fans and producers have is very unfortunate to see nowadays. I think a great example of the modern producers not understanding writing was Beast Gohan. It had none of the emotional weight that his Ssj2 transformation had which inspired it, just the flashy colors and effects. It worked though, as fans ate that up and asked for more.

[Hugo Boss]

GT always stuck the landing at the end of every arc. The Black Star arc ended with General Rildo and planet M-2 which many fans like. The Baby arc ended with the introduction of the iconic Ssj4. The Super 17 arc ended with #18 getting a moment to shine. The Shadow Dragons arc ended with the universal spirit bomb and Goku leaving with Shenron. I think the vast majority of fans will agree that the middle part of each arc left much to be desired, but at the very least each arc ended on a high note. Maybe not enough to completely salvage everything, but good enough to leave me with a positive impression.

I’d argue that the Black Star Dragon Ball arc didn’t really end on Planet M-2. It ended with Piccolo’s sacrifice, which was one of the best moments in GT. That’s why I always found it odd that we usually separate the Baby arc from the Black Star arc when, in reality, Baby was just the major fight that resulted from the events of the Black Star storyline. But yeah, the conclusion of that whole saga was satisfying.

As for Super 17, I have to disagree there. The only part of that arc that really stood out to me was Piccolo and Dende working together to create a portal, which was a nice touch for world-building. But the final battle felt really underwhelming. Super 17 being taken out by Base Goku and #18 just didn’t sit right with me. It made Goku look kinda dumb for not figuring out that trick earlier, and it didn’t feel like a satisfying way to end what should have been an intense fight.

I totally agree with you on the Evil Dragons arc’s ending, though. The Universal Spirit Bomb and Goku leaving with Shenron is one of the most iconic endings in the entire franchise.

[Vegeta th3 4th]

As for Super 17, I have to disagree there. Super 17 being taken out by Base Goku and #18 just didn’t sit right with me. It made Goku look kinda dumb for not figuring out that trick earlier, and it didn’t feel like a satisfying way to end what should have been an intense fight.

The fight as a whole was definitely disappointing, but I was still happy to see Android 18 finally get something to do and have some character moments. Before that, she was last relevant during her introduction in the Androids arc, which was 5 year prior in 1992.

The only part of that arc that really stood out to me was Piccolo and Dende working together to create a portal, which was a nice touch for world-building.

Piccolo may not have gotten much screen time in GT, but every scene he was in was well done (minus his introduction).

[Cybersai]

What's funny to me is ever since we heard Daima would be turning Goku to a kid again last year, everyone immediately made GT comparisons because of it while others said "It's not going to be anything like GT, Goku turning into a kid again is just one thing," but now with the whole SSJ4 thing and Red Porunga, it's blatantly obvious they tried to do GT in a modern take.

[Makaioshin]

The well-known adage is that GT had good ideas but bad execution. Daima has bad ideas but good execution.

In this way, I think they cancel each other out so I will just say I enjoy them both equally without any preference.