Dragon Ball Daima: Episode 18 - Official Discussion Thread

[AliTheZombie13]

I woud just add:
Manga -> Super Manga
Manga -> Super movies
Manga -> Daima -> Super Movies (that's still up for debate though)

All three at the same time are canon.
I don't have the time to go fetch all interviews, but both Toyotaro and Toriyama have said that the Battle of Gods and Resurrection F movies, along with the Super manga, along with the Super anime, all matter. And that the anime is the main product of them all.

And really, how could they not? The manga skips over the RoF movie and tells you to go watch it. The Super Hero movie has them mention Jiren and the Tournament of Power, which only happens in the manga and anime versions.

[BernardoCairo]

All three at the same time are canon.

I agree. All three are valid ways to follow the story in an official way. However, they are clearly separate continuities. And the manga, in particular, seems to follow Toriyama's manga more closely, while the anime retains some elements of Kai/Z. That's what I meant.

[TheMikado]

I do believe there are continuities.

Manga
Manga/DB -> DBZ/Kai -> Super
Manga/DB -> DBZ + Z Movies -> GT

Where does Daima fit in, now that's the question.
But there is no universal canon where everything except this one specific thing fits.

This continuity makes sense and is consistent with the fact that I don’t like Kai or Super. Lol

[Extreme_kai]

Well, that was terrible...If anything will show you that Dragonball as a franchise is creatively bankrupt, Daima is it. Sure, the animation was top-notch and it was more 'entertaining', but I'd rather it saved for something more impactful than Chibi ssj4 vs Evil Buff Jester guy. It's hard for me to believe that Gomah could get this powerful after the eye, where he's now beyond ssj4 level. GT had a much more meaningful SSJ4 transformation with an actual payoff. In Daima's version, Neva gives Goku a temporary unexplained cheat code for nearly dying. Is it ever going to get explained how ssj4 is unlocked, or are they just going to forget about it to stuff in a new fusion? ssjf4 was made meaningless in its first introduction so easily. I just don't get it. Who actually enjoys this? Listen, I enjoy fighting just as much as any other Dragonball fan, but this feels so hollow to me, on a similar level I felt during Granolah vs Gas. I find myself not caring about the two characters fighting or the outcome. Our gang is so daft that they didn't keep track of the Dragonballs? I'm 99% sure Glorio betrays Arinsu, it's in the next episode title, but still. It's just ineptitude beyond reason.

[TheMikado]

This "cannon" Ssj4 looks terribad, the arms are ugly and distracting, the colors are bad, the pants without the belt? ASS, and on top of that they kept Goku in mini form making it extra bad looking.

I can't believe this is what certain Youtubers have been hyping up for months now. This was by far the most disappointing form of the modern era, and that's saying something considering we have the likes of Ssj Blue around.

After all this who still believes in canon?

I'm going to say what no fan dares to say: I consider GT more "canon" than Super and Daima. When I think of DB, I think of the original series, Z and GT. I honestly cannot look at what came after and think "yep, part of the same series", especially after what we just saw.

You must be new here because I’ve been saying this about GT for years.. I had a SSJ4 Raditz profile image that was so old the link no longer works and I didn’t bother to update it lol.

I literally made a thread about how Super was going to “canonize” Broly years before the movie was even announced.

[Saturnine]

Welp, GT is way too continuity-breaking unfortunately. It makes direct references to lore-breaking DBZ fillers, and features cameos of villains from theatrical movies.

[t0ffe3m4n]

So... genuine question.

Why didn't they just remake/remaster GT instead of this if we were going to get Super Saiyan 4 anyway? Would've made more sense.

Either way - Super Saiyan 4 is PEAK and this was the best episode of this show by absolute miles.

[Vegeta th3 4th]

You must be new here because I’ve been saying this about GT for years.. I had a SSJ4 Raditz profile image that was so old the link no longer works and I didn’t bother to update it lol.

https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/ultra ... 1118171423

Here's a new one.

[Xeogran]

and features cameos of villains from theatrical movies.

Only Cooler, no? Who's to say this couldn't be a different version of Cooler who came after EoZ that Goku defeated off-screen? It's not like Goku acknowledges him or something, he's just a cameo.

[Vegeta th3 4th]

Well, that was terrible...If anything will show you that Dragonball as a franchise is creatively bankrupt, Daima is it.

Is it ever going to get explained how ssj4 is unlocked, or are they just going to forget about it to stuff in a new fusion?

ssjf4 was made meaningless in its first introduction so easily. I just don't get it. Who actually enjoys this?

This franchise has been bankrupt since Resurrection F.

Remember when they explained "Rage" Trunks and "Beast Gohan ? exactly.

The "Toriyama=canon=good" crowd.

[jjgp1112]

"Let's do Super Saiyan 4 but have it arrive in significantly lamer and more meaningless fashion!"

[Vegeta th3 4th]

"Let's do Super Saiyan 4 but have it arrive in significantly lamer and more meaningless fashion!"

That was basically how they "canonized" Broly and Bardock.

Why didn't they just remake/remaster GT instead of this if we were going to get Super Saiyan 4 anyway? Would've made more sense.

They may still do that, but I definitely agree that it would've been more logical than what they did here. With that said, I'm happy they didn't. They completely dropped the ball with this Ssj4, and clearly show what little understanding thy have of what made the original in GT so iconic.

[RedHeat]

Here's my official review:

Story:

• Not a lot of story in this episode, mostly action-packed. I thought it was kinda funny how Neva just walked up and seemingly "unlocked" Goku's potential to make SSJ4 canon lol. It's definitely contrived, but the way it was handled afterword was *chef's kiss*

Animation:

• The animation this episode AMAZING, trumped only by the last one. Love the fight chorography in particular, and Gomah continues to be a treat to watch in action. When Goku charged up his Kamehameha and turned golden, I unironically clapped.

My rating: 9.2/10

[ZombieVito]

No love for Piccolo, you guys?
I'm still waiting for his moment to shine in Daima.

He won't do shit.

I don't even know why he's there.

[Extreme_kai]

Well, that was terrible...If anything will show you that Dragonball as a franchise is creatively bankrupt, Daima is it.

Is it ever going to get explained how ssj4 is unlocked, or are they just going to forget about it to stuff in a new fusion?

ssjf4 was made meaningless in its first introduction so easily. I just don't get it. Who actually enjoys this?

This franchise has been bankrupt since Resurrection F.

Remember when they explained "Rage" Trunks and "Beast Gohan ? exactly.

The "Toriyama=canon=good" crowd.

Yes, I know... but at least surprise me for once Dragonball franchise. The worst part about it is how ssj4 was unlocked and how easily it got destroyed during its first canon debut. It would be like if Neva opened up a temporary dimensional wormhole and Bardock popped out. "Look! It's Bardock! Remember him?" Only for him to get yeeted 5 minutes later.

[Cursed Lemon]

My live reaction to SSJ4:

[ssj4]

Holy Hell

So Daima's Canon right?

but STG never expected Toriyama to do one last twist from the grave

[ssj3kakarot]

How did the elder namek allow Goku to unlock SSJ4? I'm hoping they will explain that.

Isn't this whole Daima story supposed to take place in the Dragonball/Z/Super timeline? Like the same story? How are they going to tie all of this in? Or at the last episode, will everyone be wished to not have any memory of the Demon Realm?

[FiReFTW]

Well, everyone has their own opinion on things.

Personally I have to say one of the worst decisions in Daima for me personally, its completely baffling and pointless.

Why?

Why copy paste SSJ4 pretty much (which was already done in GT), its LAZY and LAME

Why make everything so overly complicated? Now apparently goku can transform in SSJ4 after the buu saga, what does that make Super now, even more confussing and a mess... oh wait they will come up with some LAME idea again as to why this transformation never exists in Super.

I'm not even going to mention the lame way that this transformation happened.

Just ridicilous in my opinion, pointless and ridicilous.

[nato25]

Well, that was terrible...If anything will show you that Dragonball as a franchise is creatively bankrupt, Daima is it.

Is it ever going to get explained how ssj4 is unlocked, or are they just going to forget about it to stuff in a new fusion?

ssjf4 was made meaningless in its first introduction so easily. I just don't get it. Who actually enjoys this?

This franchise has been bankrupt since Resurrection F.

Remember when they explained "Rage" Trunks and "Beast Gohan ? exactly.

The "Toriyama=canon=good" crowd.

Yes, I know... but at least surprise me for once Dragonball franchise. The worst part about it is how ssj4 was unlocked and how easily it got destroyed during its first canon debut. It would be like if Neva opened up a temporary dimensional wormhole and Bardock popped out. "Look! It's Bardock! Remember him?" Only for him to get yeeted 5 minutes later.

Majin Duus ssj3 didn't surprise you?