Kid Buu vs Buuhan(Article):

[Eu sou Perfeito]

https://danielc59.wordpress.com/2025/02 ... -stronger/

[Hugo Boss]

This article was discussed throughly in this thread not too long ago.

I just reread it, and it still seems he brings a good amount of projection into what he reads. For example, when Kid Buu is referenced as the strongest majin/enemy, this is not a testament of how good is his form in relation to the others. It’s just that the evil Boo is the strongest enemy Goku had fought. The writer ignores there are forms stronger like Buff Buu, and so on.

[daniel1]

https://medium.com/@daniel111/kid-buu-v ... 19085bb688

Hi, I wrote this. Thanks for sharing it. You may have noticed that I credited you in it, as well!

For example, when Kid Buu is referenced as the strongest majin/enemy, this is not a testament of how good is his form in relation to the others.

That's exactly what that means, lol.

The writer ignores there are forms stronger like Buff Buu, and so on.

Maybe you didn't re-read it. I discuss the Southern Kaioshin Buu in about 5 paragraphs of it.

[Hugo Boss]

That's exactly what that means, lol.

Spoiler:

On pages 121 and 124 of Dragon Ball: Daizenshuu 8, and ignoring the information that’s also available on the cards, Kid Buu is called “the strongest Majin Buu” twice and “the strongest enemy.”

This excerpt, for example. It’s about the evil Buu, which is the strongest Majin Buu and the strongest enemy that Goku has fought (at the time). It’s not saying Kid Buu is the strongest form of that Majin Buu though. See the difference?

Maybe you didn't re-read it. I discuss the Southern Kaioshin Buu in about 5 paragraphs of it.

Spoiler:

It is worth noting that in the Character Showcase for the Southern Kaioshin on the official Dragon Ball website, they write (via machine translation), “Having absorbed South Supreme Kai, Majin Buu was able to transform into a bigger, more powerful form.” The original Japanese does not say “more powerful,” and instead says “strong,” but simply by mentioning strength at all, it implies it to be stronger than the previous form. Additionally, on page 185 of TV Anime Guide: Dragon Ball Z Son Goku Densetsu, while it focuses on the physical attributes of the Southern Kaioshin Buu with statements like “power-type body” and “powerful body,” it could also be interpreted as increasing the overall strength of Majin Buu. (See below.) Dragon Ball Heroes: Ultimate Mission 2 states, “The Buu who absorbed the Southern Kaioshin became even stronger.” However, all of these sources use the Dragon Ball Z anime as their source, and we will see later in this article the anime’s multiple statements that directly contradict this. But to state it simply for now: they are wrong. Importantly, there is not a single reference to this form of Majin Buu being the strongest in any official material ever produced.

This is what I’m talking about. You didn’t provide any evidence that the English website used machine translation or that is deviating from the actual meaning of the Japanese version. Also, there is nothing proving these sources are only using the anime as their basis (except for maybe the tv anime guide). How did you came to this conclusion? More importantly, there is nothing in the manga suggesting any Glind will weaken Buu, specially when it was told that only Dai Kaioshin had that effect. You’re adding unnecessary layers to something straightforward.

[daniel1]

This excerpt, for example. It’s about the evil Buu, which is the strongest Majin Buu and the strongest enemy that Goku has fought (at the time). It’s not saying Kid Buu is the strongest form of that Majin Buu though. See the difference?

Daizenshuu 8 is not referring to "the evil Buu." They are specifically discussing Kid Buu. I am not misinterpreting this. They read: "最強魔人ブウ" and "最強の魔人ブウ" and have images and cards from the Kid Buu Saga. It would be an extraordinary leap to re-interpret these as anything other than what is clearly shown: Kid Buu. I provided the page numbers for every single thing in the article so that the readers can verify it all, if they wished to. Here are the full pages for your convenience:

]http://comic.dragonballcn.com/list/0.Dr ... 121-bf.jpg

http://comic.dragonballcn.com/list/0.Dr ... 124-5U.jpg

This is what I’m talking about. You didn’t provide any evidence that the English website used machine translation or that is deviating from the actual meaning of the Japanese version. Also, there is nothing proving these sources are only using the anime as their basis (except for maybe the tv anime guide). How did you came to this conclusion? More importantly, there is nothing in the manga suggesting any Glind will weaken Buu, specially when it was told that only Dai Kaioshin had that effect. You’re adding unnecessary layers to something straightforward.

Right, so if you click on the link for the website, you'll find this at the bottom of the website: "This site includes machine-translated texts. Please be aware that you might find some unusual expressions that are difficult to understand." And I gave them the benefit of the doubt that by simply saying he's strong (in Japanese), it at least implies he is stronger than the previous form (Kid Buu), or there would be no reason to state this.

As for using the anime as their source, here is the title of the Southern Kaioshin article on the website: "Weekly ☆ Character Showcase #158: South Supreme Kai from the Dragon Ball Z Anime!" And do I really need to prove that Ultimate Mission 2, with Super Saiyan 4 on the cover, is using the anime as its source?

As for the Glind, I am adding that because it's an unknown. Maybe the Glind weaken him or maybe just the Kaioshin do. I included this uncertainty because the point is fully understand his absorption mechanics.

edit: I put the wrong links originally.

[Hugo Boss]

My point is that Kid Buu is representing the final form of the strongest Majin Buu, which is the evil Buu. We aren’t talking about separate entities here. There is a good Buu and an evil Buu, and the latter has multiple forms, with each transformation making him stronger. Despite losing his transformations, he still kept his superior position. That’s why he is undoubtedly the strongest Majin. However, this is not a definitive ranking of his individual forms, just a recognition that the evil Buu, as a whole, is the strongest Majin Buu.

If the site itself mentions machine translation, then yes, some caution is warranted. However, you still haven’t demonstrated that the translation in question is actually incorrect. A disclaimer about machine translation doesn’t mean every individual sentence is under disbelief. If you’re claiming the English version deviates from the Japanese meaning, the burden is on you to provide a direct comparison showing where the error is. Otherwise, it remains an assumption.

Even if a specific article primarily uses anime material, that doesn’t automatically mean what it states is incorrect, especially when it aligns with how Buu’s absorption has always worked in the manga. The idea that Buu powers up when absorbing others, with only Dai Kaioshin being an exception, is something the anime merely expanded on rather than contradicted. This concept has been further reinforced by Dragon Ball Super and Daima expansions, which continue to depict absorption as a power increase unless a unique case, like Dai Kaioshin, is involved.

The problem isn’t that you mentioned Glind as an unknown; it’s that you introduced it as if it’s a relevant factor without any evidence that it is. The only confirmed negative influence on Buu’s power was Dai Kaioshin’s absorption. Adding speculation about Glind weakening Buu, without any textual basis, just creates unnecessary layers that weren’t suggested in the original material. Stating something is “unknown” is fine, but it shouldn’t be treated as an equal possibility without justification.

[MasenkoHA]

Pretty sure Bootenks referred to himself as the strongest Majin and he would be aware of Pure Boo's existence but not the not yet created Boohan.

There's also the fact that Goku wouldn't even consider fighting Boohan or Bootenks without fusing but had no qualms with going toe to toe with Pure Boo on his own.

Boohan is definitely the stronger of the two, seems pretty cut and dry to me

[Koitsukai]

For all these non-sense to work, you have to be an Olympic medalist in mental gymnastics to explain how Goku went from admitting being inferior to Super Buu to fighting the supposedly strongest Buu of all, 10 minutes later, without even the excuse of getting a zenkai boost or power up at all. He just decided he was stronger now, I guess.
He had all that hidden power and chose to save it for later, made others fight -even though he hates to share, considered fusing with Mr. Satan and fused with Vegeta FOREVER because he just wasn't in the mood for saving the day. Even after being revived... revived so he could fight Buu.
And for some reason, he never again, before or after, chose to become stronger. Would've been great if he pulled that one vs Beerus or Broly.

I find it funny that the fandom is so eager to scrutinize the commas, the languages and tense spoken to prove their point, while, at the same time, disregard the clear narrative intent and statements provided by the characters. Goku said he wasn't that strong? fuck that, it's Goku, his SS3 at full power eclipses everybody.

[daniel1]

I am not interested in debating this, frankly. If there is an actual error in the article, please feel free to tag me with the error or contact me on Bluesky about it. However, if your "error" is to question how I came to the conclusion that something with the title "...from the Dragon Ball Z anime!" is based on the anime, for example, then please do not contact me. I am actually a busy person so I kindly ask you not to waste my time with requests like that. All of the exact page numbers, exact episodes, and links for everything else are provided.

[Shintoki]

The stuff about kid boo being stronger are just extra lines added by Toei. No one should pay heed to it since it's just filler!

[Hugo Boss]

I am not interested in debating this, frankly. If there is an actual error in the article, please feel free to tag me with the error or contact me on Bluesky about it. However, if your "error" is to question how I came to the conclusion that something with the title "...from the Dragon Ball Z anime!" is based on the anime, for example, then please do not contact me. I am actually a busy person so I kindly ask you not to waste my time with requests like that. All of the exact page numbers, exact episodes, and links for everything else are provided.

The issue here is that your assumption about the article’s source is demonstrably incorrect. The weekly character showcases pull from multiple sources (manga, anime, movies, OVAs, etc.), not just the anime. The reason the South Kaioshin showcase primarily uses anime images is simply because his manga appearance is limited to a single panel. That doesn’t mean South Kaioshin is an anime-exclusive character or that the article’s conclusions aren’t supported by the broader material.

Dismissing an official article based purely on conjecture while ignoring how its statements align with the manga is exactly the kind of selective reasoning that makes these discussions frustrating. If your issue is with how the information is presented, that’s one thing, but rejecting it outright because you assume it must be anime-only isn’t a solid argument.

Also, we all have other things to do, but if you have time to write extensive breakdowns on Kid Buu’s strength, surely addressing a simple clarification doesn’t take that much effort.

[smiley]

Kid Buu is definitely stronger in the anime continuity. There are 3 direct statements. You think that the anime is irrelevant because it's "filler", Toriyama was not involved, etc? Fine. I disagree. The anime is an official product and for me, it has legitimacy. You have no right to tell me that your opinion is objectively more correct than mine.

But I personally choose to believe that he is stronger in the manga as well. Because of his narrative significance. It creates a few plot holes, probably, but so what? It's not the first or the last plot hole in Dragon Ball.

[Peach]

Super Buu (Gottenks absorbed) explicitly states that he is the strongest in the past, present, and future.



But for some reason, the writer of this article views this statement as boasting? With no evidence to support that this is boasting? They just have a gut feeling that it is because Buu got cocky and thought he would be the strongest in this form in the future as well. The article writer reverts to "head canon-ing" to justify how Super Buu (Gottenks absorbed) might not be the strongest and how this line might be incorrect, even though Buu is directly stating that he's the strongest here.

This is a Buu that is heavily implied to have had knowledge of Kid Buu and Buff Buu too - since he begged Vegeta not to separate Fat Buu from him because he wouldn't be himself anymore.

The readability of the article becomes so convoluted and confusing after this point. It's trying to justify a belief that a direct statement from Buu in the series contradicts.


...

I understand that there is confusion that Buu's power was increasing after Vegeta separated the Fat Buu from Super Buu. This is because Buff Buu (South Supreme Kai absorbed) was stronger than base Super Buu. Many attributed this as Kid Buu being stronger than Super Buu because they didn't know Buff Buu was a real Buu form.

The narrator and out of universe material further confuse people by saying Kid Buu is the most dangerous. Dangerous, not more powerful. The danger seems to come from his personality, aggressive fighting style, lack of attachments to anything, lack of a moral compass, destructive behavior, and near lack of cognition. Even Buuhan didn't destroy a planet right away. Even he hesitated when it came to Mr. Satan. Even he could be talked to and stalled. Buuhan is more powerful, yet less dangerous because there's more humanity, restraint, and reason within him.

Buutenks is stronger than Buff Buu through. He literally says so. He's the strongest Buu in history up until that point. Base Super Buu is weaker than Buff Buu, but Buutenks is stronger than Buff Buu. And with Buuhan
being stronger than Buutenks - that makes Buuhan the strongest.


Goku FEARED fighting Super Buu and Buuhan without fusion. Yet, he was willing to challenge Kid Buu. The fact he was willing to even TRY and not be desperate enough to use the earrings means he knew he was fighting someone weaker than Buuhan.



tl;dr -

Buuhan > Buutennks > Buff Buu (>= Kid Buu?) > Super Buu (>= Kid Buu?) > Fat Buu

[Kaboom]

If your conclusion about a story relies on claiming that characters are straight-up lying without anything in said story actually saying they're lying, then it should be a pretty big sign that you're on the wrong track.

[Koitsukai]

Well, we have a fan in this very thread claiming they prefer to believe Kid Buu is the strongest just because, no matter how many problems that assumption brings to the table. They just like Kid Buu better, I pressume.
I don't think that's wrong, more power to him, but it would be if they start claiming that those who prefer to stick to the actual story are in the wrong, like it's usually the case.

Also, there are two indisputable facts that are usually overlooked: Super Buu knows the existence of Kid Buu (so he knows his power, otherwise, he would be unaware of what could happen if you remove Fat Buu), and knows Buutenks' power is beyond anything that majin, or every other majin known to him, for that matter, ever had.

[Eu sou Perfeito]

Super Buu (Gottenks absorbed) explicitly states that he is the strongest in the past, present, and future.



But for some reason, the writer of this article views this statement as boasting? With no evidence to support that this is boasting? They just have a gut feeling that it is because Buu got cocky and thought he would be the strongest in this form in the future as well. The article writer reverts to "head canon-ing" to justify how Super Buu (Gottenks absorbed) might not be the strongest and how this line might be incorrect, even though Buu is directly stating that he's the strongest here.

This is a Buu that is heavily implied to have had knowledge of Kid Buu and Buff Buu too - since he begged Vegeta not to separate Fat Buu from him because he wouldn't be himself anymore.

The readability of the article becomes so convoluted and confusing after this point. It's trying to justify a belief that a direct statement from Buu in the series contradicts.


...

I understand that there is confusion that Buu's power was increasing after Vegeta separated the Fat Buu from Super Buu. This is because Buff Buu (South Supreme Kai absorbed) was stronger than base Super Buu. Many attributed this as Kid Buu being stronger than Super Buu because they didn't know Buff Buu was a real Buu form.

The narrator and out of universe material further confuse people by saying Kid Buu is the most dangerous. Dangerous, not more powerful. The danger seems to come from his personality, aggressive fighting style, lack of attachments to anything, lack of a moral compass, destructive behavior, and near lack of cognition. Even Buuhan didn't destroy a planet right away. Even he hesitated when it came to Mr. Satan. Even he could be talked to and stalled. Buuhan is more powerful, yet less dangerous because there's more humanity, restraint, and reason within him.

Buutenks is stronger than Buff Buu through. He literally says so. He's the strongest Buu in history up until that point. Base Super Buu is weaker than Buff Buu, but Buutenks is stronger than Buff Buu. And with Buuhan
being stronger than Buutenks - that makes Buuhan the strongest.


Goku FEARED fighting Super Buu and Buuhan without fusion. Yet, he was willing to challenge Kid Buu. The fact he was willing to even TRY and not be desperate enough to use the earrings means he knew he was fighting someone weaker than Buuhan.



tl;dr -

Buuhan > Buutennks > Buff Buu (>= Kid Buu?) > Super Buu (>= Kid Buu?) > Fat Buu

Are you seriously using Viz Media's translation as evidence!? When you literally have the Japanese scan right next to it, did you at least translate what the japanese version was saying? Well then, in the original language Buutenks only says that he is the strongest Majin, he doesn't say anything about "past, present and future".


Secondly, Kid Buu is never mentioned as the most dangerous, but rather as the most troublesome or most difficult.

"The narrator and out of universe material further confuse people by saying Kid Buu is the most dangerous."

I don't know if you're referring to the anime or the manga, but the anime makes it very clear that he is the strongest Buu.

[Eu sou Perfeito]

Well, we have a fan in this very thread claiming they prefer to believe Kid Buu is the strongest just because, no matter how many problems that assumption brings to the table. They just like Kid Buu better, I pressume.
I don't think that's wrong, more power to him, but it would be if they start claiming that those who prefer to stick to the actual story are in the wrong, like it's usually the case.

Also, there are two indisputable facts that are usually overlooked: Super Buu knows the existence of Kid Buu (so he knows his power, otherwise, he would be unaware of what could happen if you remove Fat Buu), and knows Buutenks' power is beyond anything that majin, or every other majin known to him, for that matter, ever had.

Super Buu has knowledge about Kid Buu It is not something entirely factual, when not even Good Buu knows of the existence of the pure form.

[Eu sou Perfeito]

Kid Buu is definitely stronger in the anime continuity. There are 3 direct statements. You think that the anime is irrelevant because it's "filler", Toriyama was not involved, etc? Fine. I disagree. The anime is an official product and for me, it has legitimacy. You have no right to tell me that your opinion is objectively more correct than mine.

But I personally choose to believe that he is stronger in the manga as well. Because of his narrative significance. It creates a few plot holes, probably, but so what? It's not the first or the last plot hole in Dragon Ball.

The anime makes this very clear. As for the manga, I at least see him being superior to Super Buu.

[Koitsukai]

When you get hung up on "he said this but he didn't take this other thing into consideration but he also could've meant this, also this doesn't fully discard this other thing, and this other thing doesn't necessarily mean this other thing CANNOT BE" over the actual narrative arc and intent, that's when it all becomes silly.

[Peach]

Super Buu (Gottenks absorbed) explicitly states that he is the strongest in the past, present, and future.



But for some reason, the writer of this article views this statement as boasting? With no evidence to support that this is boasting? They just have a gut feeling that it is because Buu got cocky and thought he would be the strongest in this form in the future as well. The article writer reverts to "head canon-ing" to justify how Super Buu (Gottenks absorbed) might not be the strongest and how this line might be incorrect, even though Buu is directly stating that he's the strongest here.

This is a Buu that is heavily implied to have had knowledge of Kid Buu and Buff Buu too - since he begged Vegeta not to separate Fat Buu from him because he wouldn't be himself anymore.

The readability of the article becomes so convoluted and confusing after this point. It's trying to justify a belief that a direct statement from Buu in the series contradicts.


...

I understand that there is confusion that Buu's power was increasing after Vegeta separated the Fat Buu from Super Buu. This is because Buff Buu (South Supreme Kai absorbed) was stronger than base Super Buu. Many attributed this as Kid Buu being stronger than Super Buu because they didn't know Buff Buu was a real Buu form.

The narrator and out of universe material further confuse people by saying Kid Buu is the most dangerous. Dangerous, not more powerful. The danger seems to come from his personality, aggressive fighting style, lack of attachments to anything, lack of a moral compass, destructive behavior, and near lack of cognition. Even Buuhan didn't destroy a planet right away. Even he hesitated when it came to Mr. Satan. Even he could be talked to and stalled. Buuhan is more powerful, yet less dangerous because there's more humanity, restraint, and reason within him.

Buutenks is stronger than Buff Buu through. He literally says so. He's the strongest Buu in history up until that point. Base Super Buu is weaker than Buff Buu, but Buutenks is stronger than Buff Buu. And with Buuhan
being stronger than Buutenks - that makes Buuhan the strongest.


Goku FEARED fighting Super Buu and Buuhan without fusion. Yet, he was willing to challenge Kid Buu. The fact he was willing to even TRY and not be desperate enough to use the earrings means he knew he was fighting someone weaker than Buuhan.



tl;dr -

Buuhan > Buutennks > Buff Buu (>= Kid Buu?) > Super Buu (>= Kid Buu?) > Fat Buu

Are you seriously using Viz Media's translation as evidence!? When you literally have the Japanese scan right next to it, did you at least translate what the japanese version was saying? Well then, in the original language Buutenks only says that he is the strongest Majin, he doesn't say anything about "past, present and future".


Secondly, Kid Buu is never mentioned as the most dangerous, but rather as the most troublesome or most difficult.

"The narrator and out of universe material further confuse people by saying Kid Buu is the most dangerous."

I don't know if you're referring to the anime or the manga, but the anime makes it very clear that he is the strongest Buu.

He still said he was the strongest. There is no indication that Buutenks is lying.

You think Kid Buu is stronger, right? Then answer me this. Why didn't Goku charge up Super Saiyan 3 all the way before coming to Earth to confront Buutenks? He said he could defeat Kid Buu in Super Saiyan 3 if he just had enough time to charge up all the way uninterrupted. Why was he so desperate he needed the potara earrings for Buutenks, but not for Kid Buu? It's because Buutenks was stronger. Goku's desperation for fusion and dodging Buuhan instead of challenging him in Super Saiyan 3 demonstrates Buuhan was stronger than Kid Buu.