Goku's New Form in Daima!

[Noah]

Do you guys think design and lore wise a design like this could have been better than NuSSJ4?

Spoiler:

Like a 'Demon Saiyan' or something...

[capsulecorp]

Do you guys think design and lore wise a design like this could have been batter than NuSSJ4?

Spoiler:

Like a 'Demon Saiyan' or something...

I feel like I saw this image somewhere before? But, no, I don't think so, I don't like it. It sort of looks like an angry rock guy!

[Vegeta th3 4th]

Do you guys think design and lore wise a design like this could have been batter than NuSSJ4?

Spoiler:

Like a 'Demon Saiyan' or something...

This is way too over the top for DB. This is the main issue I have with fan designs, they go too far and make things that don't look like DB.

[Baggie_Saiyan]

I just hope whatever transformation Goku gets, he isn't Chibi anymore.

But the Geekdom whispers and fusion bug make me worry...

The blank Goku figure for March is 10cm so he will stay Mini I am afraid.

Is there any possibility that this figure is not the new transformation and appears in another Ichiban Kuji later? Or could it be that the measurements are reported as small but when the character comes out, if he is an adult, are they modified? That is, taking into account that information about the Ichiban, does it have to be the new small form?

There is another kuji in May with 2 blanks and I found out yesterday one of the blanks is 23cm! Both blank was the same round silhouette shape implying should be similar height so it does appear there is a chance Goku and Vegeta become adults in their new forms!

[The Monkey King]

Do you guys think design and lore wise a design like this could have been better than NuSSJ4?

Spoiler:

Like a 'Demon Saiyan' or something...

That thing looks like a sex offender, I don't like looking at it at all

[SupremeKai25]

Can't wait for Goku's adult form in the next episode. It's going to look so much cooler and more badass than GT.

I didn't think it was possible but Toriyama truly redeemed SSJ4 for me. I now like that form and what is in store for it. What a masterful writer.

[SSGpotota]

Design-wise, I'm conflicted about it. I like some parts (the big arms, the monkey movements), but I dislike others (weird placement of the fur, too much red, the pants).
Plot-wise, I don't like that it's an ass-pull out of nowhere.

The next two episodes will make or break it for me: I need to see how it looks on other characters, as adults, and how it gets explained.

It would be cool if, in the next episodes, Neva were about to explain how to achieve the form on their own, only to be interrupted by Goku because he doesn't want to rely on the tail and hasn't fully accepted his Saiyan heritage (yet).
I think it would be a nice way to explain why it never gets used in Super.

[Shintoki]

As much as I like the ssjg color-scheme for Goku, it is a lot having the hair and fur be practically the same color. I understand better now why ssj4 has black hair (or in Vegeta's case, dark brown)

Gogeta's got red, but at least his blue eyes balance it out.

gogeta also has brown furr rathr than red. Toei staff are on record on stating that they chose the color scheme for SS4 for aesthethics

[Kaboom]

I suddenly started wondering... what if the reason this new Fake SS4 form is all uniformly magenta-colored is because Toriyama happened to catch a glimpse of the glowy upgraded "Limit Breaker" version from Heroes at some point, and was so checked-out that he mistakenly thought those were Real SS4's normal colors too?

[UpFromTheSkies]

I do think he'll get a new form. The opening and ending themes feature these:



I don't think these are there just because. Whenever I see feathers ominously flying through the screen, all I can think of is a Sailor Moon transformation sequence is about to happen.

I thought the bird was Tokitoki

[Hugo Boss]

I suddenly started wondering... what if the reason this new Fake SS4 form is all uniformly magenta-colored is because Toriyama happened to catch a glimpse of the glowy upgraded "Limit Breaker" version from Heroes at some point, and was so checked-out that he mistakenly thought those were Real SS4's normal colors too?

That’s actually a good call. Toriyama has admitted before that he doesn’t keep up with every adaptation or spin-off, so it’s totally possible he saw Limit Breaker SS4 from Heroes and assumed that was just how the form normally looked.

The only thing that makes me hesitate is the eye color. The Limit Breaker version still kept GT Goku’s yellow irises, whereas Daima’s form changes them to a more reddish tone, resembling Super Saiyan God. If Toriyama’s mix-up was purely visual, you’d think the eyes would stay consistent too.

It does make me wonder, though, what if the magenta look is meant to reflect some kind of mystical enhancement beyond just SS4 itself? Given the magic-based transformations we’ve been seeing in Super and now Daima, it wouldn’t be surprising if this is another example of that.

[Hulk10]

I suddenly started wondering... what if the reason this new Fake SS4 form is all uniformly magenta-colored is because Toriyama happened to catch a glimpse of the glowy upgraded "Limit Breaker" version from Heroes at some point, and was so checked-out that he mistakenly thought those were Real SS4's normal colors too?

That’s actually a good call. Toriyama has admitted before that he doesn’t keep up with every adaptation or spin-off, so it’s totally possible he saw Limit Breaker SS4 from Heroes and assumed that was just how the form normally looked.

The only thing that makes me hesitate is the eye color. The Limit Breaker version still kept GT Goku’s yellow irises, whereas Daima’s form changes them to a more reddish tone, resembling Super Saiyan God. If Toriyama’s mix-up was purely visual, you’d think the eyes would stay consistent too.

It does make me wonder, though, what if the magenta look is meant to reflect some kind of mystical enhancement beyond just SS4 itself? Given the magic-based transformations we’ve been seeing in Super and now Daima, it wouldn’t be surprising if this is another example of that.

Interesting

[Tian]

It does make me wonder, though, what if the magenta look is meant to reflect some kind of mystical enhancement beyond just SS4 itself? Given the magic-based transformations we’ve been seeing in Super and now Daima, it wouldn’t be surprising if this is another example of that.

Hmm... that now I think about it, maybe Neva's powers are so freaking OP that they didn't only unlock the transformation but they also revealed that Goku has the potential or was always meant to turn SSG before the events of BoG even happened.

[Mr Baggins]

The Limit Breaker form from Heroes uses a completely different shade of red than Daima's SS4, so I doubt those two are related at all. SSG is a dead ringer, though.

I don't think there's any real lore connection between the two. It's probably just on the conceptual level, with Toriyama begrudgingly having to design his second "even stronger than SS3" form lol.

[SupremeKai25]

The Limit Breaker form from Heroes uses a completely different shade of red than Daima's SS4, so I doubt those two are related at all. SSG is a dead ringer, though.

I don't think there's any real lore connection between the two. It's probably just on the conceptual level, with Toriyama begrudgingly having to design his second "even stronger than SS3" form lol.

Modern audiences just love the idea of every story/arc being inter-connected with foreshadowing and call-backs everywhere.

That is why the leading theories right now revolve around SSJ4 = Proto or 0.5 Super Saiyan God and Beerus' cameo in ep.20.

A story can be self-contained. I would welcome a Beerus cameo in the final episode, with his reaction to SSJ4 or whatever. But this show can work just fine as a self-contained story without connecting to Super so directly (there's still the flashback with Gowasu and the other gods though, and Rymus who is very similar to Zeno in design).

[Chuquita]

I can live with not everything being connected. Part of the fun of the 90's db & z movies are many of them work as what-ifs. Gives more flexibility to the creators of the work.

[Basaku]

I can live with not everything being connected. Part of the fun of the 90's db & z movies are many of them work as what-ifs. Gives more flexibility to the creators of the work.

Connections are good if they help flesh out the story. There's no need for that with Beerus cameo or retroactive dreams about SSJ4, everything is fleshed out enough in Super already.

Moro tho? If they had Arinsu breaking up his seal in revenge at the end of Daima that would be a good setup IMO as Moro lacked most in the backstory

[SupremeKai25]

I can live with not everything being connected. Part of the fun of the 90's db & z movies are many of them work as what-ifs. Gives more flexibility to the creators of the work.

Connections are good if they help flesh out the story. There's no need for that with Beerus cameo or retroactive dreams about SSJ4, everything is fleshed out enough in Super already.

Moro tho? If they had Arinsu breaking up his seal in revenge at the end of Daima that would be a good setup IMO as Moro lacked most in the backstory

Even if the story will never address this, there's a clear connection between Moro and the Demons: pointy ears, dark magic, feud with the Kaioshins, and utter lack of respect for the lives of the outside world. Moro's design is literally demonic.

Once Super inevitably returns, I hope Toei fleshes out Moro's backstory. Maybe he was a demon who was so evil that he was banished because he tried to suck the energy of the other demons. I love the idea of magic with the Demons, Glinds, and Moro, so if all these things were connected I would be thrilled.

BTW, Moro's seal broke because Buu's death and reincarnation at the hands of Goku broke the seal the Dai Kaioshin placed on Moro's magic long ago.

[Peach]

I suddenly started wondering... what if the reason this new Fake SS4 form is all uniformly magenta-colored is because Toriyama happened to catch a glimpse of the glowy upgraded "Limit Breaker" version from Heroes at some point, and was so checked-out that he mistakenly thought those were Real SS4's normal colors too?

Toriyama did a sketch of SS4 Goku with black hair in the past.

I think the new hair color was an easter egg to Super Saiyan God. Like, Goku hit a level of power that was divine or pseudo-divine momentarily.

[Kaboom]

Toriyama did a sketch of SS4 Goku with black hair in the past.

Yeah, for the GT Dragon Box. Which was like 20 years ago by this point.