Dragonball Movie Update! What is UP with this?

djkalteraphine · Post by **djkalteraphine** » Tue Jul 15, 2008 9:09 pm

I'm not worried about this forum being flooded with arrogant "movie fans" (if that'll even be the term?). If they'd made it this far, they'll have had to poke around the main page. Right?

Right. . . ?

Raki · Post by **Raki** » Tue Jul 15, 2008 9:49 pm

djkalteraphine wrote:I'm not worried about this forum being flooded with arrogant "movie fans" (if that'll even be the term?). If they'd made it this far, they'll have had to poke around the main page. Right?

Right. . . ?

Nope, I doubt they will read anything on the main site. Most will usually jump right on the forums, ignore all the rules, and start posting.

I look foward to this train wreck.

SSJ4FatGogeta · Post by **SSJ4FatGogeta** » Tue Jul 15, 2008 11:15 pm

In my experience, the only way to find this site is to search for something manganime related.
Just don't add any pertinent movie information until the movie is as old as "DragonBall: The Magic Begins" is now.

EDIT: I'm leaving my accidental, made-up portmanteau. Live with it.

Kendamu · Post by **Kendamu** » Wed Jul 16, 2008 1:50 am

Raki wrote:
djkalteraphine wrote:I'm not worried about this forum being flooded with arrogant "movie fans" (if that'll even be the term?). If they'd made it this far, they'll have had to poke around the main page. Right?

Right. . . ?
Nope, I doubt they will read anything on the main site. Most will usually jump right on the forums, ignore all the rules, and start posting.

I look foward to this train wreck.

It'll be fun! We'll ge to see a lot of grammar-corrected red text and we'll get to see Mike yell at people! Plus, I'm sure all the really heated stupidity will get locked faster than a combined Orange Brick/New Movie nerd rage-off.

SSJ2bardock · Post by **SSJ2bardock** » Wed Jul 16, 2008 2:00 am

Plus, it'll give us some new material to use against them and we can catch up on all the latest AIM/L337 speak.

Kunzait_83 · Post by **Kunzait_83** » Wed Jul 16, 2008 11:37 am

Herms wrote:
Kunzait_83 wrote:
Onikage725 wrote:Don't scoff, it happened with X-Men. By professional reviewers with college degrees whom you would expect could be arsed to do 2 seconds of research.
Oh god, I know exactly what you're talking about, and that was beyond stupid.
What is he referring to?

Onikage was likely referencing a magazine article he and I have joked about for years now. It's pretty old, from back when the first X-Men movie came out (I think it might've been in Entertainment Weekly, but I can't recall with absolute certainty).

Essentially the reviewer demonstrated complete ignorance of the fact that X-Men had existed in any format prior to the movie (he or she even talked of "a sudden wave" of graphic novels "suddenly" hitting bookstores and referred to them as something to the effect of "tons of new comics based on the film"), and spent the majority of the article complaining about the prominence of "outlandish" mutant powers throughout the film as stretching the story's "believability" and making fun of Wolverine's hairstyle (which has been the character's visual trademark for decades).

While not quite as glaringly stupid as the above article, I also remember well the surprising number of comments and reviews I read online when the movie came out where the person prefaced by stating that they'd never heard of the comic or franchise at all. This in spite of the fact that it's been referenced in popular culture for what seems like eons now, and even had a prominent animated series that ran strong on Fox throughout the 90's.

SSj_Rambo wrote:I understand what everyone is saying, but I really doubt that there will be very many people that will have never heard of the anime or manga Dragonball and then see this movie and then find out about the manga or anime and still be dumb enough not to figure out which one came first. I understand with War of the Worlds since the original story was published way back in 1898, but Dragonball (the anime) has only been around in America for 10 or so years now.

Thanks to the wonderful work of Toonami and Cartoon Network a good portion of Americans either watched the anime, knew about the anime or had a child that watched the anime. Yes the movie will probably lead to a few new members here but I'm pretty sure that they will not go straight to the forums and first go to the actual Daizenshuu EX site, and from there it is pretty hard not to realize that Dragonball has been around for a while, considering the person has been living under a rock for the past two decades and didn't already know.

It’s easy for fans of a series to perhaps overestimate it’s popularity and level of awareness within the “mainstream”. Going back to my (and Onikage's) previous point, let's look at X-Men;

It had been around since the 1960's, was a well established, much beloved comics juggernaut (no pun intended) since at least the 1970's, and spawned hordes of merchandise, toys, spinoffs, and so forth that could be found prominently and in abundance at bookstores and toystores throughout the country (throughout the world) for well over 30 years prior to the film, and again also had that huge hit animated series running on a major network for almost a decade.

And yet somehow, there were X-Men related forums that were suddenly filled with people who had never once heard of the series before the film.

If I may be so bold, X-Men was a MUCH bigger, and MUCH more publicized franchise (strictly speaking within the U.S.) over the course of it's decades spanning history than DBZ ever was, huge CN ratings and all (I'm not trying to slight DBZ of course, I'm just trying to be honest here).

If the X-Men films could draw out so many masses who had lived in complete ignorance of such a franchise for THAT long, do you honestly think it's going to be any better with Dragon Ball?

Bear in mind that there are many different “levels” of mainstream. There’s mainstream in the sense of the “geek” crowd, and there’s also mainstream in the sense of “Joe and Jane Average” who are of perhaps an older age range that don’t watch (or may not even get) CN and don’t get out to many stores that would sell anime or manga.

Dragon Ball is certainly big in the U.S. (huge among the kinds of people who would be “in the know” about things of a geekish nature), but there have been much bigger things that have passed by unnoticed to public at large outside of fan culture, short of having a big budget mainstream Hollywood film adaptation being foisted upon them.

Velasa wrote:I'm looking forward to new people- true, a lot of them will be retarded. But some of them will just need a little information to realize what they missed up until now, and then they can be great fellow fans. I'm only afraid of a flood of badfic > > But half of my main ship won't exist in this movie so it doesn't affect them too much.

We've got a lot of educating to do once this movie comes out. Some people will be simply too dumb to be taught, but we'll do what we can.

Mmmmm. Perhaps I often tend to unfairly associate and lump together online forums like Gamefaqs, IMDB, and the Youtube comments section (the Big Three in internet idiocy short of Chan imageboards) with internet boards in general out of reflexive habit.

Still, I think perhaps some people here might be looking at the speed and frequency with which stupidity travels across the internet with perhaps a bit too much optimism, ESPECIALLY when it comes to something getting a big Hollywood movie adaptation.

Need I remind any Transformer fans who might be posting here what Transformer fan forums got like when it’s live action movie first hit? I’m not even that big on that series, and I could barely stomach just a cursory glance at some of the inane arguments that flooded the net like a locust infestation during those months.

And when I say "stupidity" I do hope people understand that I don't mean just new fans who had never gotten into the series before the film, people who are ordinary folks that are able to convey ideas in text beyond a 3rd grade level and who are honest and reasonable about simply wanting to know more about the series.

I'm talking about... oh hell, seriously just go and have a look at most internet discussion of Transformers or many of these other 80's toy/cartoon franchises getting major Hollywood movie adaptations in recent years. You'll get the idea before long.

Maybe I'm being overly pessimistic, who knows. Guess we'll have to wait and see how things get when the major publicity for the movie finally gets underway.

Xyex · Post by **Xyex** » Wed Jul 16, 2008 12:08 pm

Oh, Daizex is most certainly not immune to sudden influxes of stupidity. Does no one remember the initial effects of the first several podcasts? It was admittedly tame compared to the average message board. But in comparison to what is typically seen on these boards it was an obvious deviation from the norm.

Onikage was likely referencing a magazine article he and I have joked about for years now. It's pretty old, from back when the first X-Men movie came out (I think it might've been in Entertainment Weekly, but I can't recall with absolute certainty).

Essentially the reviewer demonstrated complete ignorance of the fact that X-Men had existed in any format prior to the movie (he or she even talked of "a sudden wave" of graphic novels "suddenly" hitting bookstores and referred to them as something to the effect of "tons of new comics based on the film"), and spent the majority of the article complaining about the prominence of "outlandish" mutant powers throughout the film as stretching the story's "believability" and making fun of Wolverine's hairstyle (which has been the character's visual trademark for decades).

Please tell me someone has a scan of this.

Big Momma · Post by **Big Momma** » Wed Jul 16, 2008 1:18 pm

I doubt people will come here before the main page.

I mean, what are the chances of them typing the right stuff to find db.schuby.org/daizex in a google search?

Sun_Wukong · Post by **Sun_Wukong** » Wed Jul 16, 2008 2:05 pm

Kunzait_83 wrote: It had been around since the 1960's, was a well established, much beloved comics juggernaut (no pun intended) since at least the 1970's, and spawned hordes of merchandise, toys, spinoffs, and so forth that could be found prominently and in abundance at bookstores and toystores throughout the country (throughout the world) for well over 30 years prior to the film, and again also had that huge hit animated series running on a major network for almost a decade.

And yet somehow, there were X-Men related forums that were suddenly filled with people who had never once heard of the series before the film.

There is no physical evidence that proves that sales of the X-men comics went up because of the movie franchise. The fact of the matter is, the average joe does NOT go out and buy a comic after seeing a superhero movie. If someone doesnt know a franchise is based on existing media, they wont go out and buy the source material.

Dragonball is completley different. The series was big enough in the US that fans of the franchise will see it and the revenue will mostlikely come from the fans. Superhero movies dont need to rely on the fans to pull in revenue. Marvel movies in particular are marketed very well to a mainstream non-comic reading market.

Unless Dragonball is marketed well, it will come off as something like the new X-files movie. You cannot argue that anyone other than X-files fans will go see the new movie.

Onikage725 · Post by **Onikage725** » Wed Jul 16, 2008 2:44 pm

Sun_Wukong wrote:There is no physical evidence that proves that sales of the X-men comics went up because of the movie franchise. The fact of the matter is, the average joe does NOT go out and buy a comic after seeing a superhero movie. If someone doesnt know a franchise is based on existing media, they wont go out and buy the source material.

Dragonball is completley different. The series was big enough in the US that fans of the franchise will see it and the revenue will mostlikely come from the fans. Superhero movies dont need to rely on the fans to pull in revenue. Marvel movies in particular are marketed very well to a mainstream non-comic reading market.

Unless Dragon Ball is marketed well, it will come off as something like the new X-files movie. You cannot argue that anyone other than X-files fans will go see the new movie.

No film can rely only on its installed fanbase to make good money in theaters. Why do you think the new Stargate movies are direct to DVD? Why do you think Live Free or Die Hard was PG-13, saving the unrated cut for DVD? Why do you think Serenity wasn't the huge Firefly-reboot it was hoping to be? Hell, I had to explain to half of my family what the Clone Wars trailer was all about, and they aren't even Star Wars-ignorant.

It isn't that superhero movies don't need the fans, it's that they need to pull in people besides the fans. Hardcore fans will see it anyway, its the millions of unaffiliated movie goers just looking to be entertained for 2 hours they need to draw in as well.

I think it is safe to assume that more people in the US read comics than watch anime in any way beynd "casual." So it is also safe to assume that Dragon Ball will reach out to the main stream as well as the core fanbase.

Or did you think the casting of Justin Chatwin and the setting of Goku in high school and involved in a romantic triangle was for us?

Kunzait_83 wrote:And when I say "stupidity" I do hope people understand that I don't mean just new fans who had never gotten into the series before the film, people who are ordinary folks that are able to convey ideas in text beyond a 3rd grade level and who are honest and reasonable about simply wanting to know more about the series.

I'm talking about... oh hell, seriously just go and have a look at most internet discussion of Transformers or many of these other 80's toy/cartoon franchises getting major Hollywood movie adaptations in recent years. You'll get the idea before long.

New people are always nice to meet. It isn't just new people we fear. Want to know who we're afraid of? Go to Youtube. Type in... well.... anything, honestly, because Youtube makes the IMDB look high brow. But specifically type in Dragon Ball Live Action. Click on any of the hundred or so "fan trailers" of shitty quality still images. And read the comments. Then try not to gouge your eyes out at the inanit, I dare you.

FormallyKnownAsPrince · Post by **FormallyKnownAsPrince** » Wed Jul 16, 2008 2:52 pm

Onikage725 wrote: Or did you think the casting of Justin Chatwin and the setting of Goku in high school and involved in a romantic triangle was for us?

agreed. ahaha.

SSj_Rambo · Post by **SSj_Rambo** » Wed Jul 16, 2008 6:51 pm

I haven't been an active member of this forum for very long, so does anyone who has been here for a while remember any point where there seemed to be a large influx of members? If so, did it seem to make any difference to you? I know there will probably be a larger increase in members than ever before once the movie comes out, but has new members, even on a smaller scale, ever presented any difficulties or changes on the boards?

The only big hubbub I've ever seen arise due to a new member, other than a dumb/annoying question or two, is one instance when a person started constantly posting unneeded comments and starting retarded threads all day up until the point where he had 106 posts on his first day. Do new fans really have a history of making any trouble here, because in my time new fans have never been a major problem, but that's probably just because I'm still pretty new here.

Captain Awesome · Post by **Captain Awesome** » Wed Jul 16, 2008 7:35 pm

SSj_Rambo wrote: The only big hubbub I've ever seen arise due to a new member, other than a dumb/annoying question or two, is one instance when a person started constantly posting unneeded comments and starting retarded threads all day up until the point where he had 106 posts on his first day.

..Why are you talking about that like it was eons ago?, that was a few days ago dude.

SSj_Rambo · Post by **SSj_Rambo** » Wed Jul 16, 2008 7:51 pm

Captain Awesome wrote:
SSj_Rambo wrote: The only big hubbub I've ever seen arise due to a new member, other than a dumb/annoying question or two, is one instance when a person started constantly posting unneeded comments and starting retarded threads all day up until the point where he had 106 posts on his first day.
..Why are you talking about that like it was eons ago?, that was a few days ago dude.

I wasn't trying to make it seem old (even though I guess I did, sorry), I was just pointing out that in all of my days here that was the only trouble I have seen arise.

Xyex · Post by **Xyex** » Wed Jul 16, 2008 11:00 pm

SSj_Rambo wrote:
Captain Awesome wrote:
SSj_Rambo wrote: The only big hubbub I've ever seen arise due to a new member, other than a dumb/annoying question or two, is one instance when a person started constantly posting unneeded comments and starting retarded threads all day up until the point where he had 106 posts on his first day.
..Why are you talking about that like it was eons ago?, that was a few days ago dude.
I wasn't trying to make it seem old (even though I guess I did, sorry), I was just pointing out that in all of my days here that was the only trouble I have seen arise.

Oh, Daizex is most certainly not immune to sudden influxes of stupidity. Does no one remember the initial effects of the first several podcasts? It was admittedly tame compared to the average message board. But in comparison to what is typically seen on these boards it was an obvious deviation from the norm.

Granted, it wasn't some huge thing where the boards turned into GameFAQs or something. But the surge of posters that couldn't follow the rules was rather obvious.

SSJ2bardock · Post by **SSJ2bardock** » Thu Jul 17, 2008 12:37 am

Captain Awesome wrote:
SSj_Rambo wrote: The only big hubbub I've ever seen arise due to a new member, other than a dumb/annoying question or two, is one instance when a person started constantly posting unneeded comments and starting retarded threads all day up until the point where he had 106 posts on his first day.
..Why are you talking about that like it was eons ago?, that was a few days ago dude.

If that was a sign of things to come then I suggest you guys all come up with your excuses on why Yamcha and crew didn't perform the Kaioken or who would win in a fight between filler characters (Bojack vs Broly anyone?

). Patience is a virtue my friends

Big Momma · Post by **Big Momma** » Thu Jul 17, 2008 12:41 am

SSj_Rambo wrote:
Captain Awesome wrote:
SSj_Rambo wrote: The only big hubbub I've ever seen arise due to a new member, other than a dumb/annoying question or two, is one instance when a person started constantly posting unneeded comments and starting retarded threads all day up until the point where he had 106 posts on his first day.
..Why are you talking about that like it was eons ago?, that was a few days ago dude.
I wasn't trying to make it seem old (even though I guess I did, sorry), I was just pointing out that in all of my days here that was the only trouble I have seen arise.

Well, we do get the occasional porn star.

I don't think it would be wise to click their links, though.

The Time Traveller · Post by **The Time Traveller** » Thu Jul 17, 2008 4:00 am

JAPPO wrote:
The Time Traveller wrote:I got last weeks Shonen Jump, and it has the same old same old pictures, still pretty cool to see them with better quality though, the blue gi looks awesomer...
Could you scan them and send them into dbthemovie@gmail.com for me?

Lol.

Also, a new playboy scan: http://dbthemovie.com/gallery/albums/official/scan.jpg

I just remembered I had a camera, so I took a picture of the Dragon Ball spread. Here!

Anonymous Friend · Post by **Anonymous Friend** » Thu Jul 17, 2008 10:45 am

Me and a friend were flicking through the channels last night and found "Batman Unmasked: The Psychology of the Dark Knight" on the History channel. Usually when some really big franshise has a new intry in some sort of media something like this pops up on the "brainy" channels and have some "experts" discuss real life paralels and what not. I remember when Halo 3 was lauching they had a program on the Military channel or something about the weapons used. A few years back A&E did top ten heroes, villians, and heroines.

Do you think Dragonball will get some sort of program like these other series did?

SSj_Rambo · Post by **SSj_Rambo** » Thu Jul 17, 2008 10:54 am

Anonymous Friend wrote:Me and a friend were flicking through the channels last night and found "Batman Unmasked: The Psychology of the Dark Knight" on the History channel. Usually when some really big franshise has a new intry in some sort of media something like this pops up on the "brainy" channels and have some "experts" discuss real life paralels and what not. I remember when Halo 3 was lauching they had a program on the Military channel or something about the weapons used. A few years back A&E did top ten heroes, villians, and heroines.

Do you think Dragonball will get some sort of program like these other series did?

Dragonball will be extremely lucky if it gets anything close to the treatment that The Dark Knight is getting. The amount of advertising and how often we here about the movie and see previews once they start the advertisement process is completely up to Twentieth Century Fox. The publicity that The Dark Knight is getting from other companies and organizations is just due to the films immense fan base. Yes live action Dragonball films could eventually get that sort of fan base, and they probably will by at least the third movie, but for this movie all of the advertisements and promotions that we will see will be based on how much money Fox wants to spend to promote the movie.