If Daima becomes non-canon to Super, then what was the point?

[Cybersai]

The initial appeal when Daima was first announced was that Toriyama was finally going to flesh out the demon realm we heard about in the Buu saga with Dabrua being the demon king. We FINALLY got to see what the demon realm *actually is* and all this new lore.

Then we got confirmation that the Kai's were Glinds and came from the demon realm. And the biggest bombshell being the Namekians are actually demons and are NOT aliens like we thought all this time, and that King Piccolo calling himself "The Demon King" actually makes sense again. Knowing all this lore that the Kai's and Namekians come from the demon realm is huge.

Also the lore how Kid Buu was actually created, and was NOT something discovered in the dawn of the universe or by Bibidi like we thought.

So if Daima is basically non-canon to Super....then what was the point of all this new lore? Sure we can also consider this lore canon for Super as well, but to make all this new stuff and then disregard it in Super is just...weird. Why use this series as a bunch of lore dumps if none of it counts for Super's canon?

[JulieYBM]

Daima is not going to be non-canon to Super.

[Cybersai]

Daima is not going to be non-canon to Super.

As much as I want it to be canon, it's already getting hard to reconcile. We have 1 episode left to fit things in and 20 minutes is not enough especially when the fighting is probably going to take up most of the episode.

[Galan007]

Daima is not going to be non-canon to Super.

Agree.

Daima went out of its way to form a few direct links to DBS, when it absolutely did not need to. Aside from that, I doubt Toriyama would have invested so much personal time in a non-canon project. /shrug

[Vegeta th3 4th]

There's a rights issue going on between the right holders of the manga and Super brand (Shueisha) and the new company now in charge of the anime and games (Capsule Corp. Tokyo). As a result of this, Daima came into existence due to Shueisha not allowing Capsule Corp. Tokyo to animate any more Super content. Until these behind the scenes issues are resolved, which don't seem likely, Daima and Super can't be connected legally. If I had to guess what will happen, Super will continue in manga form, while Daima continues the series in anime form. Considering what a mess Super is, I don't think ignoring it is the worst idea they could come up with.

[GreatSaiyaman123]

The point is that we’re all going to pretend Super never existed and all this lore is brand new.

[JulieYBM]

The point is that we’re all going to pretend Super never existed and all this lore is brand new.

Why? I see no reason for anyone to have to do this.

[Chuquita]

What was the point of Daima?

<ancient tfs-related joke>"Marketing!"</>

Personally, if it doesn't connect: I'll live; the lore dumps didn't interest me. Some of the comedy did nothing for me. Bits that felt like dropped plot lines left me wishing for better scripts.

Magenta ssj4 is cool. I guess I'll miss that if it's gone after this. Panzy is fun. I'm good with Hybus now.

If it does connect: I can take comfort in knowing that certain things eventually go more in the direction I'd prefer. Super was a mess, but certain scenes and episodes made me feel I definitely was a part of its intended audience. I'm not Daima's audience. I'm watching Daima because it's the final Toriyama project.

[Vegeta th3 4th]

I'm watching Daima because it's the final Toriyama project.

It may not be; there were a couple more projects in the works before he passed. How far along were they though remains to be seen.

[mecha3000]

Honestly, seeing the entire fandom, including people like Geekdom101 or MasakoX being SO SURE that Daima will tie-in to Super and not at all contradict it is just so funny to me. Like, it's so obvious by now that to Toriyama and the other creatives involved with Daima, that wasn't a concern to them. So, to see the fandom just LOSE THEIR MINDS over this is ridiculous. And with one episode of Daima left, it's very likely an effort won't be made to connect it to Super and that's something fans need to get over and just accept.

Also, I've never really been a huge fan of Super. I feel like it ruined a lot of things with Dragon Ball, but in recent years, I've grown to appreciate it for what it is and for being new Dragon Ball content. As a kid, I always wanted a new Dragon Ball series so having Super is definitely a win at the end of the day. Daima also fulfills that childhood wish of mine and in some ways, does it better than Super. I mean, having a canon SSJ3 Vegeta and SSJ4 Goku? Hell yes. So can't wait to own those figures. And for me, it's just nice to see the numbered SSJ forms matter again over Super's god forms.

So at the end of the day, if Daima isn't canon to Super, it doesn't ruin anything for me. The way I see it, Super, Daima, and GT are three different pathways following EoZ. In Super and Daima's case, they're midquels so they don't exactly follow EoZ, though. So when people obsess over canon with Dragon Ball of all things, I'm like, Super and Daima already contradict EoZ. And unlike the fans obsessing over canon, Toriyama was definitely not concerned with that kind of thing. Remember, he had an "anything goes" mindset. If a new idea came to him, I don't think he cared if it contradicted a previous idea. Look no further than him coming up with the idea that Goku was an alien WAY LATER into the manga's run even though he never intended that. That's what made him and Dragon Ball so fun.

[Vegeta th3 4th]

Daima also fulfills that childhood wish of mine and in some ways, does it better than Super. I mean, having a canon SSJ3 Vegeta and SSJ4 Goku? Hell yes.

The demon realm always felt like a loose end from the original manga, so it's nice to see it finally explored, even if it wasn't perfect. Goku being weaker than Gohan and Gotenks at the end of the manga never sat well with me, so him getting back on top with a Ssj4 was always a logical next step in my opinion. Vegeta reaching Ssj3 also felt like the next logical step for the character following his development in the Buu saga, as that's the form that made him change his views on Goku and training. All in all, Daima and Battle of Gods (2013 movie) feel like a proper conclusion to the original manga's story line to me.

[SupremeKai25]

Honestly, seeing the entire fandom, including people like Geekdom101 or MasakoX being SO SURE that Daima will tie-in to Super and not at all contradict it is just so funny to me.

Geekdom quite literally got everything right about this series, including SSJ3 Vegeta, those Majin gremlins, and SSJ4. Clearly his insider sources are reliable this time (unlike that time in 2019 where he swore DBS would come back).

If he says the final episode will link to DBS, I might believe it. So far he's been right about the new forms and new villains.

[Dragmobot12]

Daima is not going to be non-canon to Super.

How will you react once they leave the Demon Realm and ask Warp-Sama to send them back to Universe 7 and he says: Hmmmm... what will it be, 7A, 7B, 7C?

[AliTheZombie13]

That you enjoy the story for what it is?
I'm not the biggest fan, but why care so much?

[Jack Bz]

Even if the events of Daima itself contradict Super to the point where it doesn't make sense that both could happen, I still think the lore it introduced and the history of the world will still apply to Super and the wider Dragon Ball universe as a whole. Case in point is the old namek telling Granolah in the super manga that namekians come from another dimension and then finding out that they're from the demon realm in Daima.

[Mr Baggins]

As the poster above me stated, Daima could not connect to Super and still share its cosmology. Kinda like a different timeline in the same universe rather than a completely different setting à la GT.

To be totally honest, I see all three of these sequels as their own independent takes on how the original story would continue if it picked up after the Buu arc's conclusion (or EoZ, in GT's case). Why else have Daima go back in time again?

And as I said in this week's episode thread, I am perfectly fine with either scenario. We'll see... or we won't.

[LightBing]

To entertain us.

What was the point of Super if GT already existed? What's the point of the Super anime if the movies already were there?
Etc...

It might connect, it probably won't. Then it's simply another continuity, which isn't better or worse than others. Nobody has to pick a side, people can just enjoy it or not!

[SupremeKai25]

What was the point of Super if GT already existed?

Huh? GT was not written by Toriyama. If anything you should ask "What was the point of making a new series not written by Toriyama?"

[AliTheZombie13]

What was the point of Super if GT already existed? What's the point of the Super anime if the movies already were there?
Etc...

Because... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ETxmCCsMoD0

[GreatSaiyaman123]

The point is that we’re all going to pretend Super never existed and all this lore is brand new.

Why? I see no reason for anyone to have to do this.

You don’t have to do anything, but it would sure be great to leave that trainwreck in the past.