Kid Buu vs Buuhan(Article):

[Magnificent Ponta]

Elsewhere, they were extremely rare before 2011 and almost nonexistent before 2007.
The oldest message I found from a pro-Kid Buu supporter dates back to 2004, and it is an exceptional occurrence among the many fans discussing power debates.

Well, I'm aware that "anecdote is not data", but I was definitely arguing with the "Kid Buu is Strongest" set on the internet around 2003-2006, and while it was certainly a minority opinion in the circles where I found it, it did not by any means feel very rare to find support for that position at the time (I'm assuming that by "elsewhere" you mean "non-Francophone corners of the Dragon Ball-discussing internet"; if that's not what you mean, I apologise for the misunderstanding).

Really, skim-reading through this thread has been weirdly nostalgic in the worst way. The antagonistic tone of discussion, the quote-mining of arguments and sources (and the general slanted engagement with information), the endless repetitiousness of the back-and-forth - all were regular features back then, and it seems little has changed.

Back then, the argumentative thrust of the position usually just made clear that "Kid Buu is Strongest" was actually a "Goku is Strongest" position in disguise - speaking speculatively, this may be at least part of what undergirds the endurance of arguments in support of Kid Buu's strength, as there has been a slow and steady drip of official material that has retrospectively boosted Goku's position somewhat (most notably some choice throwaway dialogue in Daima).

Even if it's not by any means inexplicable, it is an awkward latter-day muddying of what the narrative on its own made perfectly clear, and even though the actual sources under discussion still don't change much and the likeliest conclusions don't reasonably alter, the general impetus to rehash the argument nevertheless gets stirred up again.

[Peach]

Kid Buu truthers are the Flat Earthers of the Dragon Ball community.

Only the agenda matters to them. You can provide all the blatant truth to the contrary, you can point out how Kid Buu being the strongest fundamentally makes zero sense, you can show them how Goku shit himself at the mere idea of fighting Super Buu, it doesn't matter.

Why is Kid Buu being so strong so important to them? For some reason they've developed a community and identity surrounding Kid Buu being the strongest. It's very weird behaviour.

I get the confusion. Calling him the most dangerous. His power momentarily going up when Super Buu reverted to Buff Buu. Not knowing Buff Buu is a transformation himself. I get the confusion. I even acknowledge that maybe I'm wrong about Buuhan and Buutenks. Who knows?

I just dislike how people don't engage with points and logical debates that doubters bring up. Instead, it becomes restating an opinion without engaging with points of people who had doubts. I'm still waiting to hear an explanation why Goku was desperate enough to fuse with Mr. Satan to fight Buuhan, but not fuse at all to fight Kid Buu..

[Supaman9g]

Elsewhere, they were extremely rare before 2011 and almost nonexistent before 2007.
The oldest message I found from a pro-Kid Buu supporter dates back to 2004, and it is an exceptional occurrence among the many fans discussing power debates.

Well, I'm aware that "anecdote is not data", but I was definitely arguing with the "Kid Buu is Strongest" set on the internet around 2003-2006, and while it was certainly a minority opinion in the circles where I found it, it did not by any means feel very rare to find support for that position at the time (I'm assuming that by "elsewhere" you mean "non-Francophone corners of the Dragon Ball-discussing internet"; if that's not what you mean, I apologise for the misunderstanding).

That’s exactly what I meant.
Regarding your experience, weren’t those actually fans arguing that Kid Buu was stronger than Super Buu?
Because that stance is far less rare in internet archives. In fact, it’s a debate I consider legitimate, and my position on it is flexible since it doesn’t fundamentally change the story’s narrative. That said, I personally lean toward Super Buu being superior for the sake of simplicity. Herms did a podcast with Geekdom101, and I 100% agree with his take.
I agree with you that the pro-Kid Buu stance can sometimes be a disguised pro-Goku stance.
What’s truly incredible at times is the irrational analysis from our pro-Kid Buu friends.
For example, they refuse to accept that Kid Buu is simply Majin Buu’s pure form without any absorptions—in other words, the true form of the final enemy the Z-Fighters battle in Dragon Ball tankōbon volumes 41 and 42: the Evil Buu.
When certain Dragon Ball Super chapters were released, they read "Kid Buu" instead of "Majin Buu," "Evil Buu," or "the evil part of Mr. Buu."



Same phenomenon when Toriyama mentioned Majin Buu in this Q&A.


Similarly, they don’t understand that, for the sake of simplification, one can represent Evil Buu and his seven forms using his pure form—Kid Buu—without specifically referring to that particular form.
This adds a lot of unnecessary confusion to the debate.


I often use the example of Moro in Dragon Ball Super. His most powerful form is Planet Moro, when he fused with the Earth.
However, when we generally talk about the terrifying enemy that is Moro, he is represented in his pure form—without the absorption, without his angelic appearance, and without the Earth fusion.

[Luso Saiyan]

I'm still waiting to hear an explanation why Goku was desperate enough to fuse with Mr. Satan to fight Buuhan, but not fuse at all to fight Kid Buu..

It's all in the story. It's established that he refuses to fuse out of Saiyan pride, not out of necessity or lack thereof. All the other characters are shocked at his decision (except Vegeta, who praises his decision) and warn against it precisely because the danger is at least equal or greater than before, not lesser. Goku also expected to have enough time to come up with a plan, he didn't know Buu could teleport to their location.

[Eu sou Perfeito]

Elsewhere, they were extremely rare before 2011 and almost nonexistent before 2007.
The oldest message I found from a pro-Kid Buu supporter dates back to 2004, and it is an exceptional occurrence among the many fans discussing power debates.

Well, I'm aware that "anecdote is not data", but I was definitely arguing with the "Kid Buu is Strongest" set on the internet around 2003-2006, and while it was certainly a minority opinion in the circles where I found it, it did not by any means feel very rare to find support for that position at the time (I'm assuming that by "elsewhere" you mean "non-Francophone corners of the Dragon Ball-discussing internet"; if that's not what you mean, I apologise for the misunderstanding).

That’s exactly what I meant.
Regarding your experience, weren’t those actually fans arguing that Kid Buu was stronger than Super Buu?
Because that stance is far less rare in internet archives. In fact, it’s a debate I consider legitimate, and my position on it is flexible since it doesn’t fundamentally change the story’s narrative. That said, I personally lean toward Super Buu being superior for the sake of simplicity. Herms did a podcast with Geekdom101, and I 100% agree with his take.
I agree with you that the pro-Kid Buu stance can sometimes be a disguised pro-Goku stance.
What’s truly incredible at times is the irrational analysis from our pro-Kid Buu friends.
For example, they refuse to accept that Kid Buu is simply Majin Buu’s pure form without any absorptions—in other words, the true form of the final enemy the Z-Fighters battle in Dragon Ball tankōbon volumes 41 and 42: the Evil Buu.
When certain Dragon Ball Super chapters were released, they read "Kid Buu" instead of "Majin Buu," "Evil Buu," or "the evil part of Mr. Buu."



Same phenomenon when Toriyama mentioned Majin Buu in this Q&A.


Similarly, they don’t understand that, for the sake of simplification, one can represent Evil Buu and his seven forms using his pure form—Kid Buu—without specifically referring to that particular form.
This adds a lot of unnecessary confusion to the debate.


I often use the example of Moro in Dragon Ball Super. His most powerful form is Planet Moro, when he fused with the Earth.
However, when we generally talk about the terrifying enemy that is Moro, he is represented in his pure form—without the absorption, without his angelic appearance, and without the Earth fusion.

But in that part where Dende says: "THE EVIL MAJIN BUU WAS THE MOST POWERFUL ENEMY”.He really is referring to Kid Buu.

In DBS when characters always refer to Kid Buu, they always use the term: Evil Majin Buu

[Supaman9g]

Nope
That’s pretty incredible. I’m describing a cognitive mechanism that you seem to be falling victim to, showing this exact example, and yet you remain completely unfazed. You just keep pushing forward like a zombie.


The separation Dende refers to corresponds to this:


That’s literally the title of the chapter. There is no third Buu.


Evil Buu = Skinny Buu = Kid Buu = Buuhan = One single enemy.
This is also understood that way in the Daizenshuu and Chozenshuu.

[Hugo Boss]

I'm still waiting to hear an explanation why Goku was desperate enough to fuse with Mr. Satan to fight Buuhan, but not fuse at all to fight Kid Buu..

It's all in the story. It's established that he refuses to fuse out of Saiyan pride, not out of necessity or lack thereof. All the other characters are shocked at his decision (except Vegeta, who praises his decision) and warn against it precisely because the danger is at least equal or greater than before, not lesser. Goku also expected to have enough time to come up with a plan, he didn't know Buu could teleport to their location.

That’s a fair point, and I agree that Saiyan pride played a role. But I still don’t think that’s the only factor. Against Super Buu, Goku straight-up didn’t believe he had a way to win on his own. He was actively looking for a fusion partner. Meanwhile, against Kid Buu, he did hesitate on using the Potara, but after fighting for a bit, he was still confident that he could win as long as he landed a full-power attack.

So while pride influenced his decision, the level of desperation wasn’t the same in both cases. With Super Buu, he saw no way out without fusion. With Kid Buu, he realized too late that he should have fused, but he never doubted that he could win, just that he needed the right opportunity. That’s a meaningful distinction.

[Koitsukai]

Two scenarios regarding fusion we have, one is clearly more dreadful and pressing than the other.

In one of them, he is willing to do something irreversible like fusing forever with the weakest character in the show, one that he doesn't even know or thinks highly of, at the risk of becoming even weaker, or not stronger at all.
In the other scenario, he choses not to go ahead with something so drastic out for pride, confidence, fair play (the excuse he provides), etc., and fight on his own.

I think the obvious and most logical conclusion is that the former scenario is more pressing and dreadful than the latter. The reason for that should be the strongest threat lies within the first scenario, the one that makes Goku do something irreversible just to have a glimmer of hope, and not the scenario where he deems not necessary to go to that extreme.

Seeing that the fair play was nowhere to be found in the first scenario, the one thing that changed was the power of the threat. It wouldn't make sense to fuse with the first freak you encounter, forever, to fight a weaker character but not to do it against the strongest.

[Luso Saiyan]

The decision to not fuse again by Goku and Vegeta was first made while Super Buu was still a thing, when they got absorved and defused. Even before they found the others and were able to free them. They both destroyed their potara and rejected to fuse out of pride. That was reiterated again with Kid Buu, when they were offered the chance to fuse again and rejected it in front of others. Not because Kid Buu was weaker. There's no mention that Buu got (or is) any weaker in his pure form. On the contrary, what's established is the increased danger compared to his previous forms.

[MasenkoHA]

The decision to not fuse again by Goku and Vegeta was first made while Super Buu was still a thing, when they got absorved and defused. Even before they found the others and were able to free them. They both destroyed their potara and rejected to fuse out of pride. That was reiterated again with Kid Buu, when they were offered the chance to fuse again and rejected it in front of others. Not because Kid Buu was weaker. There's no mention that Buu got (or is) any weaker in his pure form. On the contrary, what's established is the increased danger compared to his previous forms.

Vegeta destroyed the earring and Goku acted like it was reckless and stupid and the two agreed they would have to restore Boo to his first form (presumably the fat version) to beat him.

When they were given another chance to fuse, Goku destroyed the earrings and reasoned Boo was no longer fused with anyone either.


Like....it's kind of just major copium to argue Kid Boo was the strongest or argue that the story didn't make it clear when Goku's attitude toward fusion tells us everything we need to know about which Boo was stronger.

[Koitsukai]

MasenkoHa is right.

As soon as they defuse, Goku talks about the oddity of being apart because he was told it was forever. Vegeta removes his earring, and Goku freaks out claiming they will still need the potara after they get out. Vegeta breaks his, and Goku freaks out even more. And Goku, reluctantly, breaks his because there's no point anymore in having them.
Moments later, when they remove every pod and realize they still can't take on Super Buu, even after his power was reduced, and are facing death, Goku pulls the I TOLD YOU SO card in regards of the broken potara.
Goku even proposed to do the fusion dance, but Vegeta was having none of it.

Fusion (dance or potara) was only an option for Goku to fight Super Buu and his absorptions. And not only an option to fuse with Vegeta, he was about to fuse with Mr. Satan and also considered doing it with Dende.
It's only with Kid Buu that he has no problem going solo and refuses to fuse, claiming he doesn't need the earrings anymore.

[Luso Saiyan]

Vegeta destroyed the earring and Goku acted like it was reckless and stupid and the two agreed they would have to restore Boo to his first form (presumably the fat version) to beat him.

They destroyed their earrings after they defused and before they found the others (or knew that they could free them at all). So they made the decision while Super Buu was still a threat. Goku let himself be conviced by Vegeta and the only factor here was pride.

When they were given another chance to fuse, Goku destroyed the earrings and reasoned Boo was no longer fused with anyone either.

No, he reasoned that's not how they operate as Saiyans and that he wants to fight him with his own strength. In addition, he mentioned that Buu wasn't fused either, but that was not the main reason.

Like....it's kind of just major copium to argue Kid Boo was the strongest or argue that the story didn't make it clear when Goku's attitude toward fusion tells us everything we need to know about which Boo was stronger.

"Copium"?!

My argument is that the story makes it pretty clear that Kid Buu is the most dangerous form of Buu. It's established in the narrative. Goku's attitude towards fusion changed after they defused. He still argues over it but he's led along by Vegeta. He never claims that the situation is less dangerous than it was before. No character does that. Those that do comment on it say the opposite. Goku does get cocky and makes the mistake of assuming that he's got time to come up with a plan to deal with Buu, but even that makes no difference. He still decides to face him 1 on 1 and see how it goes.

[MasenkoHA]

Vegeta destroyed the earring and Goku acted like it was reckless and stupid and the two agreed they would have to restore Boo to his first form (presumably the fat version) to beat him.

They destroyed their earrings after they defused and before they found the others (or knew that they could free them at all). So they made the decision while Super Buu was still a threat. Goku let himself be conviced by Vegeta and the only factor here was pride.

When they were given another chance to fuse, Goku destroyed the earrings and reasoned Boo was no longer fused with anyone either.

No, he reasoned that's not how they operate as Saiyans and that he wants to fight him with his own strength. In addition, he mentioned that Buu wasn't fused either, but that was not the main reason.

Like....it's kind of just major copium to argue Kid Boo was the strongest or argue that the story didn't make it clear when Goku's attitude toward fusion tells us everything we need to know about which Boo was stronger.

"Copium"?!

My argument is that the story makes it pretty clear that Kid Buu is the most dangerous form of Buu. It's established in the narrative. Goku's attitude towards fusion changed after they defused. He still argues over it but he's led along by Vegeta. He never claims that the situation is less dangerous than it was before. No character does that. Those that do comment on it say the opposite. Goku does get cocky and makes the mistake of assuming that he's got time to come up with a plan to deal with Buu, but even that makes no difference. He still decides to face him 1 on 1 and see how it goes.

As been already pointed out Goku's attitude toward fusion ONLY changed when they were against Kid Boo.

He was desperate to fuse with literally anyone even Dende or Mr.Satan for a power boost against Boohan and begged Vegeta to set aside his pride and fuse with him.

When Vegeta destroyed the earrings Goku chastised him for doing it

"Why did you do that? Now we can't combine again!"

When shit goes south inside Boo he chastise Vegeta again

"I told you to keep the potara on! This would have been easy if we could combine!"


It's only against Kid Boo that Goku is given the chance to fuse again and decides it's no longer needed. He sure as hell didn't change his mind against Boohan or Super Boo.

[Luso Saiyan]

As been already pointed out Goku's attitude toward fusion ONLY changed when they were against Kid Boo.

No, his attitude changed when he chose to go along with Vegeta, despite the arguments.

It's only against Kid Boo that Goku is given the chance to fuse again and decides it's no longer needed. He sure as hell didn't change his mind against Boohan or Super Boo.

He explains why he doesn't need them. His decision to not fuse was made out of pride and desire to fight him with his own strength. And his confidence is in part based on the circumstances he finds himself in (with Dende's plan regarding the Dragon Balls and his assumption that Buu couldn't track them to where they were), when compared to when he was fighting Super Buu.

The characters establish that Kid Buu is the most dangerous Buu, which no other character denies. Nobody comments on him being weaker than he was before. The narrative is what it is.

[The Monkey King]

3 simple statements made by Goku ends this "debate"

He states that Base Super Buu would certainly kill himself and Vegeta with ease:

Chapter: 507 (DBZ 313), P12.4-5
Context: after Goku and Vegeta revert Boo back to regular evil Boo
Goku: “Hehhe~~eh! With this, Boo’s power should have fallen significantly! We’re almost there! See, see: the size of his ki is completely different than before!”
Vegeta: “Alright! Let’s blast out of here and escape!”
Goku: “Wait! Even though Boo has returned to normal a whole lot, we’re still simply no match for his strength! If we go outside like this, we’ll definitely be done in…!”

Before fighting Kid Buu the only Buu Goku says he could've beaten in the past was Fat Buu:

Chapter: 509 (DBZ 315), P11.4-6
Context: as Goku prepares to fight Boo
Goku: “Alrii~~iight. I’d better go all out right from the start…! If we get done in, then the entire universe will go ‘poof’…”
Vegeta: “Let me see this ‘Super Saiyan 3’ thing with my own eyes…”
Goku: “Is that alright? You just might not get your turn…I can say this now, but the truth is that with that fat Boo, I would have been able to defeat him at the time with Super Saiyan 3…However, I wanted the young guys to manage something…For the Earth’s sake too…”

Goku would've defeated Kid Buu if he was in his dead body:

Chapter: 510 (DBZ 316), P13.1-6
Vegeta: “Don’t hesitate for my sake, and finish him off! With that Super Saiyan 3, you should be able to completely wipe out Boo with your ki once you gather it with all your might…!”
Goku: “Ye…yeah…I’ve been thinking of doing that as well since awhile back, but…I haven’t gotten the chance.”

Chapter: 513 (DBZ 319), P1.2
Context: after Goku drops out of Super Saiyan 3
Goku: “Da-dammit…When I was dead, it was no problem at all…It seems that in the end, becoming a Super Saiyan 3 with a living body eats up an excessive amount of ki…”

[MasenkoHA]

As been already pointed out Goku's attitude toward fusion ONLY changed when they were against Kid Boo.

No, his attitude changed when he chose to go along with Vegeta, despite the arguments.

If we completely ignore him scolding Vegeta TWICE for destroying the potara earring.

He explains why he doesn't need them. His decision to not fuse was made out of pride and desire to fight him with his own strength. And his confidence is in part based on the circumstances he finds himself in (with Dende's plan regarding the Dragon Balls and his assumption that Buu couldn't track them to where they were), when compared to when he was fighting Super Buu.

The characters establish that Kid Buu is the most dangerous Buu, which no other character denies. Nobody comments on him being weaker than he was before. The narrative is what it is.

Right...and his pride was set aside when it was against any Boo stronger than Fat Boo and Kid Boo.

Kid Boo being the most dangerous because he's impulsive and unhinged doesn't make him the strongest.

[Peach]

I'm still waiting to hear an explanation why Goku was desperate enough to fuse with Mr. Satan to fight Buuhan, but not fuse at all to fight Kid Buu..

It's all in the story. It's established that he refuses to fuse out of Saiyan pride, not out of necessity or lack thereof. All the other characters are shocked at his decision (except Vegeta, who praises his decision) and warn against it precisely because the danger is at least equal or greater than before, not lesser. Goku also expected to have enough time to come up with a plan, he didn't know Buu could teleport to their location.

So you think Goku didn't want to fuse even if it killed him because he felt too prideful to fuse to fight warrior with no asorbtions?

I don't agree Kid Buu is the strongest, but that sounds totally plausible. Thank you.


I will say this - It seemed like Kid Buu's power was getting stronger over time. I think had that fight continued and they didn't use the spirit bomb, he had the POTENTIAL to get stronger than Buuhan.

[Eu sou Perfeito]

Vegeta destroyed the earring and Goku acted like it was reckless and stupid and the two agreed they would have to restore Boo to his first form (presumably the fat version) to beat him.

They destroyed their earrings after they defused and before they found the others (or knew that they could free them at all). So they made the decision while Super Buu was still a threat. Goku let himself be conviced by Vegeta and the only factor here was pride.

When they were given another chance to fuse, Goku destroyed the earrings and reasoned Boo was no longer fused with anyone either.

No, he reasoned that's not how they operate as Saiyans and that he wants to fight him with his own strength. In addition, he mentioned that Buu wasn't fused either, but that was not the main reason.

Like....it's kind of just major copium to argue Kid Boo was the strongest or argue that the story didn't make it clear when Goku's attitude toward fusion tells us everything we need to know about which Boo was stronger.

"Copium"?!

My argument is that the story makes it pretty clear that Kid Buu is the most dangerous form of Buu. It's established in the narrative. Goku's attitude towards fusion changed after they defused. He still argues over it but he's led along by Vegeta. He never claims that the situation is less dangerous than it was before. No character does that. Those that do comment on it say the opposite. Goku does get cocky and makes the mistake of assuming that he's got time to come up with a plan to deal with Buu, but even that makes no difference. He still decides to face him 1 on 1 and see how it goes.

Eu queria incluir um item nessa discussão que é o: fator narrativo. Todos nós mesmos sabemos que depois da Saga Cell, Akira que Gohan assumisse o manto de protagonista, porém nós sabemos que no final quem terminou a saga como sendo herói principal foi: Goku. Nas sagas anteriores(Saiyan e Freeza) terminaram com Goku sendo o guerreiro Z/herói mais forte, a partir das Saga Cell, quase perto de seu final, Gohan assume o papel de herói e se torna o guerreiro Z mais poderoso superando até mesmo o seu pai, o arco do Majin Buu teria essa mesma fórmula: Gohan + Protagonista = O Guerreiro mais forte. Goku dentro da trama seria um personagem secundário que teria um pouco de destaque e teria o propósito de treinar a nova geração guerreiros(Goten e Trunks) que enfrentariam o vilão principal.

Eu queria também comentar que sobre a respeito a personalidade Goku durante esse arco, Goku sempre foi alguém amava enfrentar enfrentar oponentes fortes, principalmente, aqueles que têm um poder maior do que o dele, como na saga Saiyan e Freeza, onde até mesmo o Kaioh do Norte falando para ele não se envolver com Freeza, que ele é alguém extremamente perigoso e poderoso e por esse motivos Goku nunca dever se encontra o imperador do universo, mas invés de se sentir assustado, Goku se mostrar têm um comportamento bastante animado ao saber que Freeza é um ser altamente forte, e a ideia de lutar contra ele só deixar o Sayajin muito empolgado, mas esse tipo de completamente só foi apresentado por Goku durante esse arcos, quando ele ainda era o personagem principal da história, quando você assistir a saga Buu, Goku (que é um personagem secundário) nunca demonstra ter esse tipo altitude(que o personagem sempre exibiu) ao querer a lutar contra um inimigo forte como Fat Buu, Goku nunca mostra interesse em querer uma luta 1vs1, esse tipo pensamento nunca se passar pela sua cabeça e muito menos o deixar o personagem empolgado super excitado, ele só quer lutar contra Majin Buu, seja de duas formas: em equipe ou fusão com Gohan e/ou Vegeta, e ele disse várias vezes que era inferior ao Fat Buu, até mesmo quando ele introduziu a fase 3 do SSJ, e isso foi considerado um fato durante a maior parte da história do capítulo 476 até o 509, nesse ponto da história, Goku desmentir o que ele tinha dito antes. Então, quando Goku diz ele e Vegeta são mais fraco que o Super Buu, de certa forma, nesse ponto ainda da história, ele ainda era considerado inferior Mr.Buu.

Os planos inicias do Toriyama era que Gotenks e Gohan fossem os principais e os mais fortes da Saga(Gohan ocupando 1° posição) e Goku só seria um personagem que daria ajudaria os personagens principais (foi por esse motivo ele que colocou Goku como sendo incapaz de derrotar Good Buu), mas aí por volta dos penúltimos capítulos, ele decide de mudar porque na sua visão como autor Gohan não era adequado para ocupar o papel de herói da narrativa assim como seu pai, então, Goku voltar a ter o protagonismo, Akira faz com que ele volte age como ele, resgatando a sua personalidade de sempre querer lutar contra oponentes fortes em 1vs1, ele mudar o nível de poder do personagem, deixando de ser: <Fat Buu, para: >Fat Buu e também têm todo aquele monólogo do Vegeta dizendo que somente ele(Goku) pode vencer Kid Buu Buu e que ele é o Número 1 esse "Número 1" reflete do pensamento do autor, Akira já disse que Goku é o mais puro mais forte do universo, ele é o número 1. O quero dizer mudou é que o Akira mudou o escalonamento de poder da saga, Gohan que era o protagonista, era o mais forte, mas depois ele foi trocado por o seu pai, perdendo o papel de personagem principal e consequentemente a sua oposição de Guerreiro mais forte


Use translate page option to translate what I'm saying, I'm too lazy to use a translator on this huge text that I

[Zephyr]

Honestly, these two quotes are all you really need:

Chapter: 507 (DBZ 313)
Goku: “...we’re still simply no match for his strength!”

Chapter: 510 (DBZ 316)
With that Super Saiyan 3, you should be able to completely wipe out Boo with your ki once you gather it with all your might…!”

Neither Goku nor Vegeta are a match for this guy:


But Goku can wipe out this guy:


Evil Boo > Goku > Pure Boo

Which means that Evil Boo > Pure Boo

It's really that simple.

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The decision to not fuse again by Goku and Vegeta was first made while Super Buu was still a thing, when they got absorved and defused. Even before they found the others and were able to free them. They both destroyed their potara and rejected to fuse out of pride.

That is not how the chapters actually read in context, though. After they defuse inside of Boo, Vegeta crushes his Potara.

Goku says: "That's weird...they said we could never separate..."
Vegeta says: "...so you said... ...which is fine by me! We were together too long already."
Goku says: "Augh!! Why did you do that?! Now we can't combine again!! Besides, you're dead!! You'll have to go back to the afterlife if you're not combined with me!!"
Vegeta says: "Well, it's better than being one with you. And there's no more need."
Goku says: "We don't know that!! There's no guarantee we can save everybody and turn Boo back to his first form!!"
Vegeta says: "...then you'd better hope we can. Now hurry...before he blows up the Earth."
Goku says: "Well...don't blame me!"

After freeing the boys and Piccolo, Goku remarks that he's gotten weaker, and Vegeta suggests they escape. Which leads to:

Goku says: "Wait! He's still stronger than either of us! He'll kill us if we go out like this!!"
Vegeta says: "Then what do you want?! Well?!"
Goku says: "You just had to break the Potara! ...but there's one other way!"
Vegeta says: "Another fusion, right?! I know the whole thing!"
Goku says: "Do you?"
Vegeta says: "I saw it all...and there's no way...I will ever do that preposterous dance!! And I'll never combine with you again anyway!"

The way these scenes are actually presented in context, Vegeta crushes the Potara because he does not want to share a body with Goku again. He would rather go back to the afterlife than do that. And on top of that, there is no need to be fused, because Vegeta has complete faith in their ability to rescue everyone and weaken Boo. Goku thinks that is too reckless, but the damage is already done, and his Potara is now useless. When Goku begins to suggest the Fusion Dance, Vegeta shoots that down for the same reason he crushed the Potara: he does not want to fuse with Goku again. His pride as a martial artist/Saiyan is not mentioned. I suppose you could interpret his refusal as his pride as a martial artist/Saiyan, but you can just easily interpret that as his pride as an individual and his absolute contempt for Goku as a person. The latter interpretation squares more easily with everything else Vegeta does inside of Boo.

Next chapter, when Boo shows up inside himself, Goku again yells at Vegeta for not keeping the Potara on. After Goku fails to blast a hole out of Boo's head, Vegeta smugly clings to the pod that contains the Good Boo, and says:
"What happens if I tear this one off? Will you turn back to fat Boo? Or skinny Boo? Either way, you'll be weaker."

Next chapter, after he's reverted back to the pure Boo, Vegeta laughs, and then smugly says "Look at our little friend!"
Goku says: "Yeah! We can take him!"

That is when and why Goku changes his tune.

Next chapter, in the Kaioshin Realm, Kibitoshin throws them a new set of Potara, and says "Here!! Before any more planets get destroyed!!"
Goku says: "......no thanks. We'll do without 'em. ...Sorry...it's not our style...we like to rely on ourselves. Boo's on his own now, too."

I understand your read of the Potara crushing in the Kaioshin Realm is that it is due to Goku being convinced to think like a proud warrior by Vegeta's words and actions inside of Boo. But the two biggest holes in that read are: 1. Vegeta doesn't list that as a reason for not wanting to fuse inside of Boo. 2. Goku does not need to be convinced by anyone to think like a proud warrior, it's what he does so much of the time that a lot of people hate his character once he grows up. Goku does not need to be convinced to be himself, and we can't cite Vegeta acting like Goku as the impetus for that because Vegeta wasn't acting like Goku.

Not to mention, if we were trying to interpret Vegeta's words and actions inside of Boo as being implicitly about a warrior's pride (because they certainly aren't explicitly about that), then you'd think he'd be a little less smug about weakening his opponent. Vegeta also was 100% down to fight Boo 2v1 inside of his body, as evidenced by him powering up right next to Goku and not quibbling about which one of them gets to fight him in a 1v1 first.

Instead, what we get is Goku being desperate to fuse in order for them to stand a chance against the fused Boo, with Vegeta agreeing but not caring because he thinks they can weaken Boo and he hates being joined with Goku that much. Then, after they weaken Boo, they have confidence that they previously didn't. That is the context in which Goku later crushes the second Potara he'd been given, and cites fairness. That is the context in which Vegeta mentions Saiyan pride.

You are arguing for a false conclusion using a false premise. If the original Japanese actually has Vegeta mention "warrior pride" or "fairness" or anything like that in reference to his crushing the Potara or declining to use the Fusion Dance while inside Boo, please feel free to mention it. Because you really do need something like that to exist in order for Goku to be convinced by it, and it's sure not a thing in Viz's English translation.

[Luso Saiyan]

If we completely ignore him scolding Vegeta TWICE for destroying the potara earring.

Huh?! How am I ignoring it when I have acknowledged that twice in my comments?

Kid Boo being the most dangerous because he's impulsive and unhinged doesn't make him the strongest.

Ah! I'm glad that at least him being the most dangerous is not a point of contention.

His pride as a martial artist/Saiyan is not mentioned. I suppose you could interpret his refusal as his pride as a martial artist/Saiyan, but you can just easily interpret that as his pride as an individual and his absolute contempt for Goku as a person. The latter interpretation squares more easily with everything else Vegeta does inside of Boo.

Pride is pride.

Next chapter, when Boo shows up inside himself, Goku again yells at Vegeta for not keeping the Potara on. After Goku fails to blast a hole out of Boo's head, Vegeta smugly clings to the pod that contains the Good Boo, and says:
"What happens if I tear this one off? Will you turn back to fat Boo? Or skinny Boo? Either way, you'll be weaker."

And Super Buu gets afraid not because he would be weaker, but because he would cease to be himself. Power is not a factor. Consciousness is.

Next chapter, after he's reverted back to the pure Boo, Vegeta laughs, and then smugly says "Look at our little friend!"
Goku says: "Yeah! We can take him!"

That's their superficial, cocky remark based on how he looks, which is specifically contrasted with Kibitoshin's reaction, who knows more than them.

Next chapter, in the Kaioshin Realm, Kibitoshin throws them a new set of Potara, and says "Here!! Before any more planets get destroyed!!"
Goku says: "......no thanks. We'll do without 'em. ...Sorry...it's not our style...we like to rely on ourselves. Boo's on his own now, too."

That very sentence (bolded for emphasis) is the basis of my remark that it's their Saiyan pride talking. It's not about him being stronger or weaker. It's about them doing things by themselves, with their own skills. In addition, Pure Buu is also not relying on anyone else.

Eu queria incluir um item nessa discussão que é o: fator narrativo. Todos nós mesmos sabemos que depois da Saga Cell, Akira que Gohan assumisse o manto de protagonista, porém nós sabemos que no final quem terminou a saga como sendo herói principal foi: Goku. Nas sagas anteriores(Saiyan e Freeza) terminaram com Goku sendo o guerreiro Z/herói mais forte, a partir das Saga Cell, quase perto de seu final, Gohan assume o papel de herói e se torna o guerreiro Z mais poderoso superando até mesmo o seu pai, o arco do Majin Buu teria essa mesma fórmula: Gohan + Protagonista = O Guerreiro mais forte. Goku dentro da trama seria um personagem secundário que teria um pouco de destaque e teria o propósito de treinar a nova geração guerreiros(Goten e Trunks) que enfrentariam o vilão principal.

No, that's not true at all: https://www.kanzenshuu.com/intended-end/boo/