Super Saiyajin 4 (DAIMA) Visuals

[BernardoCairo]

I'm really starting to dig the new Super Saiyajin 4 design more and more. At first, I thought it looked cool but not as good as the original. After episode 19, though, my opinion has started to change.
One thing that stands out to me is Goku's eyes. They're so sharp and intense, and the fact that they match the color of Gomah’s Evil Third Eye feels way too intentional to be a coincidence. His fur looks amazing too, and the magenta color gives it a nice balance, making him look even more intimidating. His body language makes it seem like he's completely at home in this form, like he’s tapping into his inner nature through magic, which is such an important theme in the series.
A lot of people didn’t like the big hands, but I actually did. They make him look more like a monkey and really highlight his raw power. The hand gesture he made right after climbing the rock, in particular, stood out to me.
What I love the most, though, is how this transformation actually feels like a natural evolution of Super Saiyajin 3, unlike the original or god forms. That shot of Goku smiling, for example, looks like it was lifted straight from the manga covers, especially those from the Majin Boo arc. It helps unify the different transformations and visually ties Daima closer to the original Dragon Ball manga.

[Jord]

That screenshot just looks like SSJ4 Gogeta.
Original design, Toriyama-sama!

Seemed to me he once again tried the Dragon Ball Super design formula: take an existing form, change hair color and you've got a brand new form!

[Yuji]

The bigger monkey arms grew on me but I think the lack of a sash looks awful, and the hair being the same colour as the fur is also too much. Nothing was wrong with the black hair, at least this one could have been a different shade. The eyes I'm indifferent but I did prefer the yellow eyes.

[Thani]

Gonna be honest, the hair being the same color of the fur is just... normal. it never really BOTHERED me back in GT, to be clear, but I'd take this little correction any day.

That said, yeah, the eyes could have at least remained yellow. It's waaaay too red overall. But I guess yellow eyes is a Broly trait now.

[Trouser]

I like the new color palette but totally hate those big forearms. It looks ridiculous. The lack of belt is insulting, there's too much red and orange.

[SupremeKai25]

SSJ4 in Daima looks much better with the magenta colour. It's way prettier than black.

Also, the big forearms are a genius design move since they tie into Goku's more primal fighting style in SSJ4 (moving on four limbs like a primate).

[Kaboom]

The design of Real SS4 from GT uses a mix of colors (black hair, red fur, and gold eyes in Goku's case) which makes the form visually striking and something very unique. Fake SS4 from Daima and its uniform all-magenta appearance just makes it look like a lazy recolor, right alongside all the other half-baked modern transformations. The freakish big forearms on top of that only make the total package worse.

The silver lining to this whole mess is that the different appearance and extremely different means of gaining Fake SS4 makes it very easy to dismiss as a separate, incomplete version of the form that's just cheaply abracadabra'd into existence and doesn't measure up to the naturally-gained real deal from GT. It's a step up from all the DBS forms in that regard, at least.

[BernardoCairo]

The eyes I'm indifferent but I did prefer the yellow eyes.

That said, yeah, the eyes could have at least remained yellow.

To be honest, I never really cared much about the yellow eyes as they don't seem that intense to me. I generally prefer hotter colors for eyes whenever possible. I also appreciate how the red ones complement Gomah's Evil Third Eye, and I’d like to keep that dynamic intact.
As for the black hair, I wouldn’t have minded it. It looked great in the original, but I’m also a fan of the magenta tone they chose this time. As I mentioned earlier, the consistency of the design makes the overall form feel more cohesive, which I really like. The original version felt a bit “fanficky,” which isn’t necessarily a bad thing, but I appreciate that they experimented with something new this time.

That screenshot just looks like SSJ4 Gogeta.

The only thing they have in commun is that they're using the same transformation

It's a step up from all the DBS forms

I still prefer Ultra Instinct (particularly Sign).

[Zephyr]

I think the colors of both GT and Daima SS4 are fine, no real preference either way. The forearm sizes of both are fine, no real preference either way.

The bald patches on the forearms clash with the wristbands, though. And the lack of a belt looks really bad. Super Saiyan Four thumbs down for that.

[nineko]

As much as I don't particularly like Daima as a whole, I have to admit that I like this Super Saiyan 4 more than the one in GT. I'm not an artist by any mean, so I wouldn't know how to explain why I like it more, I just think the colors look better.

Fine print: the theme of this topic is "visuals", so I commented about that, I'm not extending my preference to the "golden oozaru versus Neva magic" debate.

[MCDaveG]

I have no qualms with the designs in the show, quite the opposite. Maybe except for the Jiren/Gomah boring thing.
But I actually kinda like those forearms. Interesting and small design choice

I am not a fan of magenta since SSJ God, but it doesn't bother me. I actually kinda liked the evolutions of classic SSJ4 in Heroes and thought it would be super cool to have that in actual GT if that show continued. I kinda got that with this

Outside of having basically zero backstory, which is what breaks the Daima SSJ4 for me, as it's just there for being there,
I actually kinda like the new design. Even the transformations and what happens to the clothes makes kinda more sense than magic pants and magic wristbands in GT.
I do prefer the dark haired version slightly more, as it looks more like Goku and I am not a fan of Gelato Saiyans,
but I do agree that true to Z SSJ progression version being all golden wouldn't work for contrast reasons with the skin tones,
hence it makes more sense to me that he is all magenta and that's the color of the Ki at this form, making all the fur and hair the same color.
But GT still works way better contrast wise and sticks more out of the backgrounds.
The magenta is kinda hard on the eyes, even tho less than yellow would be.

GT version for nostalgia and being part of that show (I like Nakatsuru's sharp designs) but I'd take the recent "canon" thing over it with no problem. Until the next series and next design/story overrides it as there is no canon whatsoever and probably the only sensible compact material being the original manga and it's adaptation (outside of filler).

[Hulk10]

Real SS4 from GT has a striking design that uses a mix of colors (black hair, red fur, and gold eyes in Goku's case) which makes the form visually striking and something very unique. Fake SS4 from Daima and its uniform all-magenta appearance just makes it look like a lazy recolor, right alongside all the other half-baked modern transformations. The freakish big forearms on top of that only make the total package worse.

The silver lining to this whole mess is that the different appearance and extremely different means of gaining Fake SS4 makes it very easy to dismiss as a separate, incomplete version of the form that's just cheaply abracadabra'd into existence and doesn't measure up to the naturally-gained real deal from GT. It's a step up from all the DBS forms in that regard, at least.

Mmm yes I agree. DAIMA does at least get its hidden power right.

[WittyUsername]

I do get why they redesigned Super Saiyan 4. It makes sense that Toriyama would want to set his version of the transformation apart from Toei’s version and I’m sure it’s better that way from a merchandising standpoint as well, but ultimately, I think my big problem with the new SS4 is that there’s simply too much red. There’s not much color contrast there. It doesn’t help that Super Saiyan God already exists, which more or less uses the same shade of red. At the very least, I think they should’ve kept the yellow eyes of the old version.

[Hulk10]

The original looks better. Though I like the longer arms. I don't like the lack of fur near the wrists.

[Skar]

I prefer the design of the original SSJ4. I didn't think the new design was bad but I thought the regular forearms and fur going down to the wrist looked better. I'm still curious why both forms went with those colors. The original was combining SSJ with Oozaru while the Daima version was treated more as just the next level after SSJ3. I remember some fanart with light brown or biege fur by combining the blonde SSJ hair and brown Oozaru fur. I always thought those were fitting colors but I didn't mind these either.

[Basaku]

I keep going back and forth, both designs are good but now I actually may prefer the unified hair & fur color, same way it's unified on Oozaru.

Plus it lends itself better for future blonde/white version which you KNOW Toyotaro just can't wait to introduce in Super

[dbs fanboy]

Hair should have been Black, period, but i do kinda dig the eyes. The form looks good, but that's more due to Daima's quality and not the design itself, too much red!

That screenshot just looks like SSJ4 Gogeta.
Original design, Toriyama-sama!

Seemed to me he once again tried the Dragon Ball Super design formula: take an existing form, change hair color and you've got a brand new form!

Something i find weird is that i've seen some people love the form because it's not like Super's pallete color swap, when this is exactly the same

[Hulk10]

I prefer the design of the original SSJ4. I didn't think the new design was bad but I thought the regular forearms and fur going down to the wrist looked better. I'm still curious why both forms went with those colors. The original was combining SSJ with Oozaru while the Daima version was treated more as just the next level after SSJ3. I remember some fanart with light brown or biege fur by combining the blonde SSJ hair and brown Oozaru fur. I always thought those were fitting colors but I didn't mind these either.

I agree with you on this one.

[TechExpert2021]

The original Super Saiyan 4 from Dragon Ball GT has a striking design that uses a mix of colors (red fur, black hair, and golden eyes in Goku's case), which makes the form look unique and distinctive from the other Super Saiyan forms, whereas Super Saiyan 4 from Dragon Ball Daima has a near all-magenta appearance (making it look like a lazy recolor transformation), as well as the big forearms that lacks the fur that slides down from the elbows to the waists.

Another issue I had with Daima's Super Saiyan 4 is how the form is obtained in the series. In GT, Goku obtained Super Saiyan 4 after gaining control of himself in his Golden Oozaru form after witnessing his granddaughter, Pan, crying. In Daima, on the other hand, Goku obtained Super Saiyan 4 in his Mini form via some magical cheat code given to him by Neba. In his adult form, he obtained it via a build-up. This makes both ways of getting Super Saiyan 4 in Daima lazy and inconsistent; the same nonsense was pulled in Dragon Ball Super: Super Hero, in which Piccolo obtained his Power Awakening form (or whatever it's called) via a wish from Shenlong with the only differences being that Piccolo didn't obtain the transformation via a build-up and didn't say he got it by training.

[Vegeta th3 4th]

GT's Ssj4 is leaps and bounds ahead of Daima's from a writing perspective, however I have to give Daima the edge for the design. GT's may have more colors, but Daima's dark red hair and fur give it the edge for me.