Which was the better sequel: GT, Super, or Daima ?
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Re: Which was the better sequel: GT, Super, or Daima ?
Only DBGT is a sequel of these three; the other two are mid-quels. That being said, I like Daima the most, then Super and last GT. GT has very little well excuted humor, and has super slow fights (even at 1.75 speed the fights were slow) where the characters feel incredibly weak.
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Re: Which was the better sequel: GT, Super, or Daima ?
GT had a ton of concepts I love but the execution frustrated me way too much. I enjoy the idea of Goku becoming a kid again for awhile...but it annoyed me that it was permanent. I also enjoyed the Machine Mutants, Baby, and the Shadow Dragons as concepts, but was generally disappointed with how they were used.
Super overall had better execution of its core concepts than GT, but I hated most of those cores concepts. Like, the concept of having all these super powerful Deities that Goku can never, ever, ever catch up to feels so antithetical to what drew me to DBZ in the first place, the idea of this lowly hero who constantly keeps rising up the ranks of power and always surpasses the next opponent, humbling those who got too big for their britches. But now the opponents who are the biggest for their britches of all can never be humbled, because...Idaknow...I guess the writers just have a different core philosophy now compared to DBZ. Plus I hated all the terrible retcons like Beerus being the one who ordered Freeza to destroy Planet Vegeta, or Goku being sent away from planet Vegeta to escape its destruction rather than being sent to destroy Earth. And I hate the idea of Freeza coming back again and restarting his galactic empire while Goku and Vegeta just let it happen. And the show takes place before EoZ for basically no reason, because the characters get immensely stronger (without ever actually catching up to the super power deities, though) and have adventures together leading almost right up to EoZ, making EoZ pretty much completely incongruent with Super, since Bulma said she hadn't seen Goku in five years and they state that the world's been at peace. And why would Goku still be so excited to fight Uub if he has numerous insanely strong opponents already?
So my vote goes to Daima, as it just feels like a nice, relaxing cool down after the Buu saga and DBZ as a whole, and ties in nicely to the plot of the Buu saga without adding a ton of super strong characters that undermine EoZ. It also had the best portrayal of Goku out of the three, and the best character interactions of the three. And while there are a few retcons, none of them are ones I hate. Actually the whole lore behind Namekians is pretty cool. Also the animation blows the other two shows away.
Super overall had better execution of its core concepts than GT, but I hated most of those cores concepts. Like, the concept of having all these super powerful Deities that Goku can never, ever, ever catch up to feels so antithetical to what drew me to DBZ in the first place, the idea of this lowly hero who constantly keeps rising up the ranks of power and always surpasses the next opponent, humbling those who got too big for their britches. But now the opponents who are the biggest for their britches of all can never be humbled, because...Idaknow...I guess the writers just have a different core philosophy now compared to DBZ. Plus I hated all the terrible retcons like Beerus being the one who ordered Freeza to destroy Planet Vegeta, or Goku being sent away from planet Vegeta to escape its destruction rather than being sent to destroy Earth. And I hate the idea of Freeza coming back again and restarting his galactic empire while Goku and Vegeta just let it happen. And the show takes place before EoZ for basically no reason, because the characters get immensely stronger (without ever actually catching up to the super power deities, though) and have adventures together leading almost right up to EoZ, making EoZ pretty much completely incongruent with Super, since Bulma said she hadn't seen Goku in five years and they state that the world's been at peace. And why would Goku still be so excited to fight Uub if he has numerous insanely strong opponents already?
So my vote goes to Daima, as it just feels like a nice, relaxing cool down after the Buu saga and DBZ as a whole, and ties in nicely to the plot of the Buu saga without adding a ton of super strong characters that undermine EoZ. It also had the best portrayal of Goku out of the three, and the best character interactions of the three. And while there are a few retcons, none of them are ones I hate. Actually the whole lore behind Namekians is pretty cool. Also the animation blows the other two shows away.
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Re: Which was the better sequel: GT, Super, or Daima ?
Putting DBS over DB shiuld be a crime
For me it would be:
Dragon Ball > Dragon Ball Z > Dragon Ball Super > Dragon Ball Daima > Dragon Ball GT > Super Dragon Ball Heroes
(I'm not sure about Super over Daima quite yet though)
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Re: Which was the better sequel: GT, Super, or Daima ?
You're joking, right? Or do you seriously find it so impossible to believe that some people would prefer the new series to that 30 years old series from an age ago?
Akira Toriyama, DBS vol.4 joint interview with ToyotaroAt his core Zamasu is good like Shin, though I guess you could say he was so fastidious that it backfired. But you know, for this "Future Trunks Arc" you had to depict Zamasu and Trunks' inner conflict, right? If this was back when I was drawing the manga myself then I doubt if I could have done it. I mean, I'm not very good at depicting the characters' psychology on the page. So this all came together because now I only have to think up the story. [...] On my own, I doubt I would have been able to express Zamasu's fall to the dark side.
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Re: Which was the better sequel: GT, Super, or Daima ?
After the last Episode of Daima and with GT having huge nostalgia factor for me as I literally saw it as a sequel to DBZ back in the day on TV, I have to say it's Super.
Super continued the tropes from Z that I loved as a kid, bringing back the kid fantasy of more adventures and cheers from the Buu arc and extended it for 100+ episodes, as GT was quite dissapointing with focusing on Goku and Pan, with plot points that went nowhere, wasted opportunities and weird execution (like sidelining all other characters aside pretty much, that confusing Machine Mutant chain of command complete with Baby's ouroboros origin), while stories like Ressurection F, Tournament Of Power and Super Hero brought back the classic characters that got B-ranked and C-ranked during the show's progression and kinda followed in Z footsteps.
Not to mention that GT was quite depressing in a sense. But it wasn't afraid with some concepts and I have to say, if somebody asked me which show was the most brave and original from these three, it is GT.
Daima started on high note and I even prefered it over Super at first, but with the last episode bringing the final nail in the coffin, I have to say that GT is now in my ranking after Super and Daima is just there, as it exist.
I was happy, that we've got great production, the writing seemed promising, it was only 20 episodes so tight storyline probably
and as I am actually not a fan of SSJ and transformation progression in Super, I was quite enjoying the concept of classic Super Saiyans from Z and not going for visual nonsense with recolors lik Super did. Well...
At least I got used to those in time, as Super had plenty of it.
Daima feels like overture or first part of bigger series. But it's just limited series sidestory with just visual eye candies, few lore tidbits checkmarked from Toriyama's interviews and the same old tropes done to death with not much sauce around it.
Super continued the tropes from Z that I loved as a kid, bringing back the kid fantasy of more adventures and cheers from the Buu arc and extended it for 100+ episodes, as GT was quite dissapointing with focusing on Goku and Pan, with plot points that went nowhere, wasted opportunities and weird execution (like sidelining all other characters aside pretty much, that confusing Machine Mutant chain of command complete with Baby's ouroboros origin), while stories like Ressurection F, Tournament Of Power and Super Hero brought back the classic characters that got B-ranked and C-ranked during the show's progression and kinda followed in Z footsteps.
Not to mention that GT was quite depressing in a sense. But it wasn't afraid with some concepts and I have to say, if somebody asked me which show was the most brave and original from these three, it is GT.
Daima started on high note and I even prefered it over Super at first, but with the last episode bringing the final nail in the coffin, I have to say that GT is now in my ranking after Super and Daima is just there, as it exist.
I was happy, that we've got great production, the writing seemed promising, it was only 20 episodes so tight storyline probably
and as I am actually not a fan of SSJ and transformation progression in Super, I was quite enjoying the concept of classic Super Saiyans from Z and not going for visual nonsense with recolors lik Super did. Well...
At least I got used to those in time, as Super had plenty of it.
Daima feels like overture or first part of bigger series. But it's just limited series sidestory with just visual eye candies, few lore tidbits checkmarked from Toriyama's interviews and the same old tropes done to death with not much sauce around it.
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Re: Which was the better sequel: GT, Super, or Daima ?
No. I find Dragon Ball to be better in literally almost every regard. And it's definitely my favorite anime adaptation.
If newer meant better, then Daima would be the absolute best. I don't agree with that logic.
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Re: Which was the better sequel: GT, Super, or Daima ?
Before Super became the punching bag, one of the most controversial takes in this fandom was that Z was better than the original series.BernardoCairo wrote: Sat Mar 01, 2025 7:25 pmNo. I find Dragon Ball to be better in literally almost every regard. And it's definitely my favorite anime adaptation.
If newer meant better, then Daima would be the absolute best. I don't agree with that logic.
Not everyone likes the whole "adventure" shtick that can get old very quickly.
Not sure why it's so far-fetched to imagine someone preferring Super to the original DB. I certainly dislike the whole adventure shtick of Daima and GT that gets stale and lame rather quickly. Actually I'm rather glad that Super does not waste any time on that boring stuff.
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Akira Toriyama, DBS vol.4 joint interview with ToyotaroAt his core Zamasu is good like Shin, though I guess you could say he was so fastidious that it backfired. But you know, for this "Future Trunks Arc" you had to depict Zamasu and Trunks' inner conflict, right? If this was back when I was drawing the manga myself then I doubt if I could have done it. I mean, I'm not very good at depicting the characters' psychology on the page. So this all came together because now I only have to think up the story. [...] On my own, I doubt I would have been able to express Zamasu's fall to the dark side.
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Re: Which was the better sequel: GT, Super, or Daima ?
New never equaled better. The original Dragon Ball is factually better than Super in every category.SupremeKai25 wrote: Sat Mar 01, 2025 7:07 pmDo you seriously find it so impossible to believe that some people would prefer the new series to that 30 years old series from an age ago?
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Re: Which was the better sequel: GT, Super, or Daima ?
You don't know what "factually" means. That's YOUR opinion.Vegeta th3 4th wrote: Sat Mar 01, 2025 7:33 pmNew never equaled better. The original Dragon Ball is factually better than Super in every category.SupremeKai25 wrote: Sat Mar 01, 2025 7:07 pmDo you seriously find it so impossible to believe that some people would prefer the new series to that 30 years old series from an age ago?
You don't get to tell me what I should prefer and what I should find better.
I think that Super is better than the original DB.
Akira Toriyama, DBS vol.4 joint interview with ToyotaroAt his core Zamasu is good like Shin, though I guess you could say he was so fastidious that it backfired. But you know, for this "Future Trunks Arc" you had to depict Zamasu and Trunks' inner conflict, right? If this was back when I was drawing the manga myself then I doubt if I could have done it. I mean, I'm not very good at depicting the characters' psychology on the page. So this all came together because now I only have to think up the story. [...] On my own, I doubt I would have been able to express Zamasu's fall to the dark side.
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Re: Which was the better sequel: GT, Super, or Daima ?
You can prefer what you want; I'm just informing you that it's factually an inferior product to the original Dragon Ball. A lot of people like things that aren't as good as others (including myself), there's nothing wrong with it as long as you acknowledge the facts.SupremeKai25 wrote: Sat Mar 01, 2025 7:34 pmYou don't get to tell me what I should prefer and what I should find better. I think that Super is better than the original DB.
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Re: Which was the better sequel: GT, Super, or Daima ?
You're entitled to your own opinion, of course, but in my view, Dragon Ball has a stronger cast of characters, more dynamic fights, and an overall better story. I actually prefer it to Z.SupremeKai25 wrote: Sat Mar 01, 2025 7:32 pmNot sure why it's so far-fetched to imagine someone preferring Super to the original DB.
While I have nothing against the adventure style of storytelling, which I really enjoy in the first arc, it doesn't take long to get to the action. In fact, it only takes around 20 episodes to wrap up. After that, we dive into the Tenkaichi Budokai tournaments, which, in my opinion, are some of the best arcs in the series.
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Re: Which was the better sequel: GT, Super, or Daima ?
Everyone has different taste to what they like in a anime, as you said some may not like adventure while others do like adventure. Maybe it could be the fight, animation, music, story, etc.SupremeKai25 wrote: Sat Mar 01, 2025 7:32 pmBefore Super became the punching bag, one of the most controversial takes in this fandom was that Z was better than the original series.BernardoCairo wrote: Sat Mar 01, 2025 7:25 pmNo. I find Dragon Ball to be better in literally almost every regard. And it's definitely my favorite anime adaptation.
If newer meant better, then Daima would be the absolute best. I don't agree with that logic.
Not everyone likes the whole "adventure" shtick that can get old very quickly.
Not sure why it's so far-fetched to imagine someone preferring Super to the original DB. I certainly dislike the whole adventure shtick of Daima and GT that gets stale and lame rather quickly. Actually I'm rather glad that Super does not waste any time on that boring stuff.
As for me I rank DBS low due to how the characters were written in DBS, they messed up the characters. Gag and comedy is ok, as long as it is done right. However the way they made Goku dumb was bad, especially when they did it too often and contradicted what Goku knew in the past.
Boo always asleep was bad, along with Goten and Trunks being forbidden. In what universe did they think fans wants to see characters forbidden from doing anything and they did it constantly. Chi Chi she just got in everyone way.
In DBS when Goku spoke, most of the time it was to say something dumb. When Goku did something, most of the time it was something dumb.
Old or new doesn't guarantee that it is better or worse.
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Re: Which was the better sequel: GT, Super, or Daima ?
I'm going to be crucified by this but OG Dragon Ball was never truly great until the Piccolo arc. That was like 70% into the series.BernardoCairo wrote: Sat Mar 01, 2025 6:50 pm Putting DBS over DB shiuld be a crime
For me it would be:
Dragon Ball > Dragon Ball Z > Dragon Ball Super > Dragon Ball Daima > Dragon Ball GT > Super Dragon Ball Heroes
(I'm not sure about Super over Daima quite yet though)
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Re: Which was the better sequel: GT, Super, or Daima ?
I completely disagree. In fact, I’d argue that the Piccolo Daimaoh Arc is significantly weaker than both the 21st and 22nd Tenkaichi Budokai arcs. The 21st, in particular, stands out as one of the best arcs in the entire franchise. While I do slightly prefer the first and Red Ribbon Army arcs as well, it mainly comes down to a few specific details.ZombieVito wrote: Sat Mar 01, 2025 8:39 pmI'm going to be crucified by this but OG Dragon Ball was never truly great until the Piccolo arc.
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Re: Which was the better sequel: GT, Super, or Daima ?
I understand why some don't like the Pilaf arc, but the series gets going the minute Goku arrives at Roshi's island for training. It just keeps getting better and better from there.ZombieVito wrote: Sat Mar 01, 2025 8:39 pmI'm going to be crucified by this but OG Dragon Ball was never truly great until the Piccolo arc. That was like 70% into the series.
The 3 classic tournaments are so, so good. So many great fights in each one, and they didn't need a hair color change every 5 minutes to be good.BernardoCairo wrote: Sat Mar 01, 2025 9:15 pmIn fact, I’d argue that the Piccolo Daimaoh Arc is significantly weaker than both the 21st and 22nd Tenkaichi Budokai arcs.
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Re: Which was the better sequel: GT, Super, or Daima ?
For me it goes GT > Daima > SuperVegeta th3 4th wrote: Fri Feb 28, 2025 11:10 am Dragon Ball Daima just concluded its short run in Japan, which also (as of now) concludes Toriyama's journey with the franchise. Toriyama's original Dragon Ball story that concluded back in 1995 (or 1996 for the anime) now has three sequels: GT, Super, and now Daima. In your opinion, which sequel was a worthy successor to the original manga ? Please note that this has nothing to do with "canon", but rather what series did the best job continuing Toriyama's original work.
Technically, Super & Daima are midquels as they happen within the timeline of DBZ, specifically before EoZ which introduces Uub at the tournament. I don't know why so many people forget about EoZ and believe DBZ ended with Kid Buu being defeated.
GT had a beautiful ending & Tokunaga knocked it out of the park with the score. I also like that the franchise took risks back then and aged its characters. With the midquels there's no stakes because we know everyone is alive in EoZ.
Anyway, I'm a GT fan for life
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Re: Which was the better sequel: GT, Super, or Daima ?
Despite preferring Daima, GT will always have a special place in my heart. Although it didn't getting everything right, I always appreciated the risks it took and the finality it gave to Dragon Ball's story.PrinceVegetto wrote: Sat Mar 01, 2025 9:23 pmGT had a beautiful ending & Tokunaga knocked it out of the park with the score. I also like that the franchise took risks back then and aged its characters. With the midquels there's no stakes because we know everyone is alive in EoZ. Anyway, I'm a GT fan for life
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Re: Which was the better sequel: GT, Super, or Daima ?
Z > Super > DB > GT > Daima
That’s just my opinion. I like all of them fairly well and overall the franchise is my fav
That’s just my opinion. I like all of them fairly well and overall the franchise is my fav
Re: Which was the better sequel: GT, Super, or Daima ?
Daima is not really a sequel because is before End of Z.
Said that, I prefer Daima. I never liked GT. When I was it as a child at late 90s I found Pan really annoying, being that the main reason, but apart from that, I remember I felt Baby saga as much less epic than Z sagas, so I stopped watching at chapter 43... and watching that 43 chapters was a bit hard for me.
Daima isn't really great but it was more enjoyable for me. I didn't like the fact the flanderized Goku while was turned into a child (insulting the Warp Sama unintentionally everytime, uncapable to say "Glorio" correctly, the "I never have a bath" or "I don't wash my hands after poop" gags). That kind of things were funny in OGDB because he was actually a child...but now is an adult and is even sillier and dirtier than OGDB Goku. And, in my opinion, they shouldn't do that kind of gags since Goku is now an idol for millions. Despite of that, I enjoyed the Gomah fight, seeing Vegeta SSJ3 and the ending was a bit touching for me. I think I prefer Daima, but for me, only OGDB and DBZ were great animes. I am an old school fan. Not a nostalfan, I don't like nostalfan attitude at all so I always start to watch all DB animes and read DBS manga and try to enjoy, but I prefer OGDB and DBZ by far.
Said that, I prefer Daima. I never liked GT. When I was it as a child at late 90s I found Pan really annoying, being that the main reason, but apart from that, I remember I felt Baby saga as much less epic than Z sagas, so I stopped watching at chapter 43... and watching that 43 chapters was a bit hard for me.
Daima isn't really great but it was more enjoyable for me. I didn't like the fact the flanderized Goku while was turned into a child (insulting the Warp Sama unintentionally everytime, uncapable to say "Glorio" correctly, the "I never have a bath" or "I don't wash my hands after poop" gags). That kind of things were funny in OGDB because he was actually a child...but now is an adult and is even sillier and dirtier than OGDB Goku. And, in my opinion, they shouldn't do that kind of gags since Goku is now an idol for millions. Despite of that, I enjoyed the Gomah fight, seeing Vegeta SSJ3 and the ending was a bit touching for me. I think I prefer Daima, but for me, only OGDB and DBZ were great animes. I am an old school fan. Not a nostalfan, I don't like nostalfan attitude at all so I always start to watch all DB animes and read DBS manga and try to enjoy, but I prefer OGDB and DBZ by far.
Re: Which was the better sequel: GT, Super, or Daima ?
Not that I prefer Super but how can you say that something is factually better or worse?Vegeta th3 4th wrote: Sat Mar 01, 2025 7:39 pmYou can prefer what you want; I'm just informing you that it's factually an inferior product to the original Dragon Ball. A lot of people like things that aren't as good as others (including myself), there's nothing wrong with it as long as you acknowledge the facts.SupremeKai25 wrote: Sat Mar 01, 2025 7:34 pmYou don't get to tell me what I should prefer and what I should find better. I think that Super is better than the original DB.