The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

[Koitsukai]

I'll go a little further than Yuji, and make the boost a 20x-ish, seeing how it can make Gomah a giant that can swat SS4 like a fly. Let's not discard the Eye making Gomah even stronger than what has been seen so far.
We also shouldn't dismiss the possibility of the Eye having more effect on majins extremely well-versed in magic. Perhaps Abura was never this strong because he was more of a brawler than a wizard.

1. Emperor Pilaf
- He is stopped by Tenshinhan.

2. King Piccolo
- He stops at Nappa.

3. Garlic Jr.
- He is stopped by Vegeta or KKx3 Goku.

4. Lord Slug
- He is defeated by the androids 17 and 18.

5. Namek Freeza
- He is defeated by Perfect Cell or FPSS Goku.

6. M5 Cooler
- He is defeated by Super Perfect Cell.

7. Bojack
- He is defeated by Super Buu, or at least he gets absorbed.

8. Cell
- Buutenks puts him out, or absorbs him.

9. M10 Broly
- Buutenks stops him.

10. Buuhan
- Vegito is not cutting it, BoG SSG Goku needs to step up.

11. Moro
-Beast Gohan stops him, or maybe even Black Freeza.

[DBZ Macky]

New Fights (Daima Edition):

• Daima SS3 Goku VS SS3 Vegeta VS Ultimate Gohan

• "SS3" Duu VS Fat Buu
  • "SS3" Duu and Kuu VS Super Buu

• Arinsu VS Degesu
  • Arinsu/Degesu VS Nahare

• Glorio VS Piccolo

• GT SS4 Goku VS Daima SS4 Goku (assume they're equal in base)

• Gomah VS Vegito

I know that some of these guys are pretty featless but still curious to see what y'all think

Who is the strongest opponent each of the following characters can defeat with the Evil Third Eye equipped? Assume they are equipping the eye in their strongest state.

1. Emperor Pilaf - Kami
2. King Piccolo - Recoome / Burter / Jeice
3. Garlic Jr. - Android 17/Piccolo (Imperfect Cell Saga)
4. Lord Slug - Super Vegeta (Perfect Cell Saga)
5. Namek Freeza - SS3 Goku / Kid Buu (Manga)
6. M5 Cooler - SS3 Goku / Kid Buu (Manga)
7. Bojack - Base Vegito (Buu Saga) / SS3 Goku / Kid Buu (Anime)
8. Cell - Base Vegito (Buu Saga) / SS3 Goku / Kid Buu (Anime)
9. M10 Broly - Base Vegito (Buu Saga) / SS3 Goku / Kid Buu (Anime)
10. Buuhan - SS2 Vegito (Buu Saga)
11. Moro - Zeno

I think the boost is in the 100s of times at least but only because I think that Daima SS4 is a 4,000x multiplier and Gomah's still stronger than Goku. I'm sure my list would be a lot like Koitsukai's if it was only SS3 that Gomah fought.

[Koitsukai]

New Fights (Daima Edition):

• Daima SS3 Goku VS SS3 Vegeta VS Ultimate Gohan

• "SS3" Duu VS Fat Buu
  • "SS3" Duu and Kuu VS Super Buu

• Arinsu VS Degesu
  • Arinsu/Degesu VS Nahare

• Glorio VS Piccolo

• GT SS4 Goku VS Daima SS4 Goku (assume they're equal in base)

• Gomah VS Vegito

I know that some of these guys are pretty featless but still curious to see what y'all think

1) Gohan was utterly outclassed by two beyond SS3 fighters, like Super Buu + Gotenks, merged into one. That's a tier he cannot deal with, but perhaps a step down or two, that is two Chibi SS3s are Gohan's doable limit.

2) Still difficult to gauge how they compare to Buu. Duu fought alongside SS3 Goku for a moment, seeming to be on par with him. I think Duu can surpass Fat Buu for the duration of that giant cookie's effect, once it runs out, he will be Buu's cookie.

3) Kuu can't do much, I doubt he is SS2 tier. Even if he is, Super Buu would destroy them both, just like he would've destroyed SS3 Goku and SS2 Vegeta.

4) Arinsu, I guess. Degesu is so sad, barely a character.

5) I want to say Shin, he should be stronger than non-divine Glinds. I mean, he should have some type of trait the non-Kaioshin Glinds don't have, that can be give him the edge, otherwise why is he a god and the others aren't? aside of being nicer.

6) Good one. I'll go with Big Green just because I like him better. But you never know, Piccolo has barely been proposed as a meatshield, so far.

7) The boost in GT seemed waaay bigger than the one in Daima. GT Goku takes it without breaking a sweat.

8 ) So far, it seems Gomah remains far from Vegito. We'll have to see how strong Giant Gomah is. The nature of Daima makes me think the main benchmarks of the original run will remain untouched.

[Yuji]

NuSS4 Goku runs through the gauntlet:

1. Kid Boo
2. Super Boo
3. SS3 Gotenks
4. Ultimate Gohan
5. Bootenks
6. Boohan
7. Super Vegetto
8. SSG Goku

[Koitsukai]

NuSS4 Goku runs through the gauntlet:

1. Kid Boo
2. Super Boo
3. SS3 Gotenks
4. Ultimate Gohan
5. Bootenks
6. Boohan
7. Super Vegetto
8. SSG Goku

1) Obliterates Kid Buu.
2) Defeats Super Buu comfortably.
3) Goku also takes this one.
4) I think he encounters his first struggle. Probably, Goku's experience gives him the edge, even if he ends up not being as strong.
5) I wouldn't put my money on SS4, but I wouldn't be surprised if he manages to survive. But I doubt it.
6) No, not at all. Not after his lackluster perfomance.
7) Is worn as earrings by Vegito.
I only see GT SS4 Goku beating SSG and that's only with a base form that can tango with Buu.

Of course, this all could age horribly by friday, but so far I didn't get the feeling that he was that much stronger than SS3. I expect adult SS4 Goku to be more like his GT counterpart, in that case, then I think he would easily beat everybody but Vegito and SSG Goku. I don't think he'd beat SSG.

[Peach]

Super Saiyan 4 Vegito (during Battle of Gods) vs. Super Saiyan God Goku (during Battle of Gods)

No time limit for the fusion or Goku's god form. Vegito can also use Kaio Ken with Super Saiyan 4 for short bursts.

[Hugo Boss]

Super Saiyan 4 Vegito (during Battle of Gods) vs. Super Saiyan God Goku (during Battle of Gods)

No time limit for the fusion or Goku's god form. Vegito can also use Kaio Ken with Super Saiyan 4 for short bursts.

SS3 Vegetto would likely be enough. Vegetto’s base form is already an extreme boost of Goku and Vegeta’s power. While SSG Goku is probably stronger than SS1 or even SS2 Vegetto, SS3 Vegetto would be too much. I don’t think the gap between SS3 and SSG is that extreme.

[Hellspawn28]

How far would Giant Third Eye Gomah go in the TOP?

[DBZ Macky]

How far would Giant Third Eye Gomah go in the TOP?

He only loses to:

1. Kunshi
2. Maji Kayo
3. Saonel
4. Pirina
5. Obuni
6. Android 17
7. Piccolo
8. Koichiarator
9. LSS Kale
10. Anilaza
11. Golden Frieza
12. Ultimate Gohan
13. Dyspo
14. Hit
15. Kefla
16. Toppo
17. Vegeta
18. Jiren
19. Goku

So he's in the Top 20 out of 80 fighters, which is not bad! Though, if you take things at face value and believe something silly like DBS Base Saiyans > DBZ SS3 Saiyans or Adult Base Saiyans > Mini SS4 Goku then Gomah definitely fares much worse.

[dragon boss z]

Adult base Vegeta vs kid ssj4 Goku

[fadeddreams5]

Adult base Vegeta vs kid ssj4 Goku

As funny as it is that Base Vegeta did better against Gomah than everyone when they jumped him, I still think Kid SSJ4 Goku wins. Lol

[Hellspawn28]

If Neva restore his youth, how strong would he be?

[Hugo Boss]

It’s a bit too soon to say exactly how strong Gomah is before the final episode. So far, his limit seems to be Red Porunga, but since we don’t have a solid measure of Red Porunga’s power either, it’s hard to scale him properly. If we assume Red Porunga is on a god-tier level, then Gomah would likely be among the top fighters in the Tournament of Power, but whether he could take on the absolute strongest remains to be seen.

As for Neva, I don’t think he’d necessarily be as strong as warrior-type Namekians. He’d probably be much stronger than Piccolo was originally before he split into Kami and Piccolo Daimao, but whether he could rival someone like modern-day Piccolo or beyond is unclear.

[Hellspawn28]

How strong would a SSj4 Buu saga Gotenks be?

[Yuji]

How strong would a SSj4 Buu saga Gotenks be?

Stronger than Bootenks, maybe not quite as strong as Boohan.

[ZombieVito]

New Fights (Daima Edition):

• Daima SS3 Goku VS SS3 Vegeta VS Ultimate Gohan

• "SS3" Duu VS Fat Buu
  • "SS3" Duu and Kuu VS Super Buu

• Arinsu VS Degesu
  • Arinsu/Degesu VS Nahare

• Glorio VS Piccolo

• GT SS4 Goku VS Daima SS4 Goku (assume they're equal in base)

• Gomah VS Vegito

I know that some of these guys are pretty featless but still curious to see what y'all think

1) Ultimate Gohan wins without much issues.
2) Fat Boo finger flicks. Duu doesn't even beat Namek Freeza.
3) Super Boo laughs at them and vaporizes them.
4) Arinsu. Degesu was pathetic.
5) I'll give this to Shin.
6) Mini Piccolo gets beaten but regular Piccolo finger flicks.
7) It's a draw.
8 ) Vegetto one shots him with Super Saiyan.

NuSS4 Goku runs through the gauntlet:

1. Kid Boo
2. Super Boo
3. SS3 Gotenks
4. Ultimate Gohan
5. Bootenks
6. Boohan
7. Super Vegetto
8. SSG Goku

No way of knowing for sure until tomorrow but I would say he stops at 7.

Super Saiyan 4 Vegito (during Battle of Gods) vs. Super Saiyan God Goku (during Battle of Gods)

No time limit for the fusion or Goku's god form. Vegito can also use Kaio Ken with Super Saiyan 4 for short bursts.

Goku. SSG multiplier should be higher than SS4.

How far would Giant Third Eye Gomah go in the TOP?

Anyone on the ToP arc base tier one shots him.

Adult base Vegeta vs kid ssj4 Goku

Vegeta did better against Giant Gomah so him.

How strong would a SSj4 Buu saga Gotenks be?

Way stronger than Boohan.

[Almighty Majin]

The Demon Realm is selected to join in the Tournament of Power.

The Team:

Spoiler:

1. Majin Kuu
2. Majin Duu
3. Glorio
4. Tamagami #1
5. Tamagami #2
6. Tamagami #3
7. King Kadan
8. Amazoness
9. Kadem
10. Marba

Assume that they have been training the entire time so scale them accordingly to that and assume they actually scale to the ToP fighters. Also assume that they have a Tertian Oculus, Join Bugs, and cookies at their disposal. How far do they get?

[dragon boss z]

The Demon Realm is selected to join in the Tournament of Power.

The Team:

Spoiler:

1. Majin Kuu
2. Majin Duu
3. Glorio
4. Tamagami #1
5. Tamagami #2
6. Tamagami #3
7. King Kadan
8. Amazoness
9. Kadem
10. Marba

Assume that they have been training the entire time so scale them accordingly to that and assume they actually scale to the ToP fighters. Also assume that they have a Tertian Oculus, Join Bugs, and cookies at their disposal. How far do they get?

last place, at least give them Gomah with the 3rd eye.

[Berserker1921]

Super Saiyan 4 Vegito (during Battle of Gods) vs. Super Saiyan God Goku (during Battle of Gods)

No time limit for the fusion or Goku's god form. Vegito can also use Kaio Ken with Super Saiyan 4 for short bursts.

SS3 Vegetto would likely be enough. Vegetto’s base form is already an extreme boost of Goku and Vegeta’s power. While SSG Goku is probably stronger than SS1 or even SS2 Vegetto, SS3 Vegetto would be too much. I don’t think the gap between SS3 and SSG is that extreme.

But if that was the case? Wouldn’t have Goku had chosen to fuse with Vegeta? I mean he rejected fusion entirely after fighting Beerus once. So God in theory would be miles above a hypothetical fused ssj3 or 4 vegito.

[Hugo Boss]

The Demon Realm is selected to join in the Tournament of Power.

The Team:

Spoiler:

1. Majin Kuu
2. Majin Duu
3. Glorio
4. Tamagami #1
5. Tamagami #2
6. Tamagami #3
7. King Kadan
8. Amazoness
9. Kadem
10. Marba

Assume that they have been training the entire time so scale them accordingly to that and assume they actually scale to the ToP fighters. Also assume that they have a Tertian Oculus, Join Bugs, and cookies at their disposal. How far do they get?

Assuming their training puts them at least on par with the top fighters in ToP, they would likely be around the level of high-tier teams like U6, U7 and U11. However, the true test is their adaptability and synergy against established ToP teams.

Against Universe 6: They should handle most of U6, but Kefla’s rapid power growth is a danger.

Against Universe 7: Goku and Vegeta’s adaptability, Freeza’s cunning, and Android 17’s resilience would make this a difficult matchup, but the Demon Realm’s team could at least push them to the brink. However, Goku and Vegeta would still be the biggest threats.

Against Universe 11: If they can stall long enough, they might force Jiren to exert himself early, but unless they have someone who can reach Ultra Instinct levels, Jiren remains their biggest obstacle.

If their power and teamwork are well-utilized, they could eliminate multiple universes before being halted by the strongest remaining teams. If the Tertian Oculus and Join Bugs are truly game-changing, they might even survive until the final moments. Their biggest challenge would be Goku and Jiren. It all depends on how broken their abilities actually are when applied in battle. They likely fall short at the very end.

Wouldn’t have Goku had chosen to fuse with Vegeta? I mean he rejected fusion entirely after fighting Beerus once. So God in theory would be miles above a hypothetical fused ssj3 or 4 vegito.

Goku was likely only considering SS1 Vegetto, since that’s the highest form Vegetto used in the Buu arc. Even though Goku and Vegeta had SS3 and SS2 respectively, there’s no confirmation that he was factoring those forms into a hypothetical fusion. Also, SS4 isn’t relevant to this discussion since it doesn’t exist in Super’s continuity.

If we’re strictly comparing SS3 Vegetto to SSG Goku, the question is whether the fusion multiplier combined with SS3’s boost outweighs SSG’s power. Given how extreme the fusion boost is, it’s not far-fetched to think SS3 Vegetto could still compete or even surpass SSG.