Would you prefer to get a manga focusing on Gohan and his family over DBS?

[Benjamin-Simons-91]

Given that Dragon Ball Super was the Goku and Vegeta show with nostalgia member berries all over the place.
Gohan's life as both a student and a crime fighter in high school and then in university; Videl's same path, including the both of them constantly training together and with Piccolo's guidance.

Constant Mr. Satan shenanigans and meetings with the Z-Fighters (Bulma included). Majin Buu actually being an active rather than a passive character. The Galactic Patrol shows up to team up with the Great Saiyaman and Videl from time to time.

Goku and Vegeta are not hogging the show but are minor to background characters who hadn't reverted to their worst selves.

[JulieYBM]

I'm not invested in Gohan as a character. I'd like Super with less Gohan, if anything.

[johnboy1]

Absolutely not. Gohan's character arc came to its natural conclusion with Cell, and he's been either repeating the same arc or drifting aimlessly ever since. Goku has a flat arc, so he can last as long as needed, and as much as people rag on Vegeta for relearning the same lesson over and over again, there's still a moment of forward momentum with his character every once in a while. Gohan, by contrast, would be much better served joining Krillin and Tien in the "just here to make up the numbers" roster, with a focus episode every blue moon.

[BernardoCairo]

Despite what many people say online, I think Goku and Vegeta are better characters than Gohan (and more fun to read too).
I like him. In fact, he's in my personal top 10 characters in the franchise. But I'm okay with him not being the lead or co-lead.

[SupremeKai25]

If the Future Trunks and Tournament of Power sagas don't exist in this AU timeline, then NOPE.

And exist UNCHANGED. None of that "Gohan Black" videogame BS.

[Benjamin-Simons-91]

If the Future Trunks and Tournament of Power sagas don't exist in this AU timeline, then NOPE.

And exist UNCHANGED. None of that "Gohan Black" videogame BS.

There's no need for a Future Trunks involved in the Zamasu Arc nor body swapping. Just have him use the Super Dragon Balls for surpassing the strongest mortal to exist in the multiverse and have him rampage against the Kais to nullify the Gods of Destruction and their Angels at once to secure his plan.
I would rather have a multiversal brawl of the top mortals against him than what DBS gave us.
Then, the Grand Priest will interfere and bring Zeno to zap Zamasu to oblivion.
The Z-Fighters and their multiverse allies go on to collect the Dragon Balls on Earth and New Namek (even on Universe 6) to revive Zamasu's slaughtered victims (mortals through Earth's DBs, and the Kais and their Gods of Destruction and Angels via the Namekians' Dragon Balls).

[SupremeKai25]

If the Future Trunks and Tournament of Power sagas don't exist in this AU timeline, then NOPE.

And exist UNCHANGED. None of that "Gohan Black" videogame BS.

There's no need for a Future Trunks involved in the Zamasu Arc nor body swapping. Just have him use the Super Dragon Balls for surpassing the strongest mortal to exist and have him rampage against the Kais to nullify the Gods of Destruction and their Angels at once to secure his plan.
I would rather have a multiverse brawl of the top mortals against him than what DBS gave us.
Then, the Grand Priest will interfere and bring Zeno to zap Zamasu to oblivion.
The Z-Fighters and their multiverse allies go on to collect the Dragon Balls on Earth and New Namek (even on Universe 6) to revive Zamasu's slaughtered victims.

This is exactly what I fear. You are removing what makes that saga unique and enjoyable to watch.

Would you make the same argument for the Androids saga? Because it's not like that saga needed Future Trunks. It could've just been Gero activating his new androids to kill Goku and Present Cell (instead of a Future Cell) who already grew up.

You say there would be no body-swapping. Why? The idea of Gohan having to fight a man who looks like his father sounds like a perfect recipe for some drama and conflict.

Anyway, I want the arc unchanged because I really like how this arc ties into that Android saga. It's such good writing to have Black and Zamasu remind Trunks that he caused time splits back in Z, when he delivered the antidote to the heart virus to Goku. It is a much-needed connection between the story of Super and the story of Z. It also adds a new layer of villainy to Zamasu when he's willing to steal Goku's body just because he lost a fight to him.

I don't really care about the protagonist, but the arc must remain unchanged. And frankly, if you want Gohan as the MC, you should be delighted to watch Gohan interact with Goku Black. AFAIK, he never did in canon.

If you want Gohan as the main character, why you want to remove Goku Black and Future Trunks? You'll be missing out on so many cool character interactions.

[Benjamin-Simons-91]

If you want Gohan as the main character, why you want to remove Goku Black and Future Trunks? You'll be missing out on so many cool character interactions.

Because Future Trunks is not needed anymore, his story arc was done in Z when he returned to his timeline.
And I had enough evil Gokus with Turles and Captain Ginyu. And Bardock.

Both of these were done to sell merchandise.

[GokuHater]

For me it's besides the point.

I would gladly follow the story of Goku, Vegeta, Piccolo, Gohan or whoever if the story itself was good and crafted interestingly.

Having one character over another would really mean nothing if the writing sucks.

[Vegeta th3 4th]

Any long running series should've moved 100-200 years into the future with a completely new cast of characters. You can still have side projects here and there with the classic characters, but the main series should've moved on from them. Dragon Ball Online had the right idea.

[ZombieVito]

No.

[Benjamin-Simons-91]

No.

Didn't you had another comment here earlier?

[MisteryOne]

Even as someone who loves Gohan and slower pacing lije Daima...no, this is an awful idea that would genuinely be worse than the Goku&Vegeta show.

Not only it's extremely hard to work this into a shonen fornat. It's also making the very same mistake you are complaining about. Not moving on from a certain character. Gohan should not have under any circunstances returned in Super, let alone as a main player, and by hijacking Piccolo's story with an awful new form after just as you say returning back to a previous version of himself that is repeating the very same character arc.

Gohan got what he wanted. He had a happy and satisfying conclusion. Forcing him into the spotlight when the entire point is that he didn't want to be on it is not any better than having Vegeta regress to his Cell arc self and it's only done for fanservice even trough Toriyama would have moved on if he had continued the original manga run beyond Buu. (Admitedly, I think his roles in the ToP and Moro were good, specially on the later, but that should have been the limit).

What we got from Goten and Trunks is already students doubling up as superheroes Spiderman-style, and more importantly they don't have a family to take care of or actually hard studies they need to devote a lot of time to.

I would kill for Dragonball to move on from Goku and Vegeta and have the next generation take the spotlight while they are only background mentor figures that may get involved only in dire situations if at all. That next generation is not Gohan. He already completed his character journey. Goten, Trunks and specially Pan and Uub are the ones we should focus if we are really going down the path of not focusing on Goku anymore (and Bra too, but I have zero expectations for the IP holders to have any interest on her, honestly). It isn't going to happen anyways because it seems by Daima we are heading full speed on (even more) unhinged fanservice and nostalgia in a riduculous cycle, but still.

[dragonballhero]

Even as someone who loves Gohan and slower pacing lije Daima...no, this is an awful idea that would genuinely be worse than the Goku&Vegeta show.

Not only it's extremely hard to work this into a shonen fornat. It's also making the very same mistake you are complaining about. Not moving on from a certain character. Gohan should not have under any circunstances returned in Super, let alone as a main player, and by hijacking Piccolo's story with an awful new form after just as you say returning back to a previous version of himself that is repeating the very same character arc.

Gohan got what he wanted. He had a happy and satisfying conclusion. Forcing him into the spotlight when the entire point is that he didn't want to be on it is not any better than having Vegeta regress to his Cell arc self and it's only done for fanservice even trough Toriyama would have moved on if he had continued the original manga run beyond Buu. (Admitedly, I think his roles in the ToP and Moro were good, specially on the later, but that should have been the limit).

What we got from Goten and Trunks is already students doubling up as superheroes Spiderman-style, and more importantly they don't have a family to take care of or actually hard studies they need to devote a lot of time to.

I would kill for Dragonball to move on from Goku and Vegeta and have the next generation take the spotlight while they are only background mentor figures that may get involved only in dire situations if at all. That next generation is not Gohan. He already completed his character journey. Goten, Trunks and specially Pan and Uub are the ones we should focus if we are really going down the path of not focusing on Goku anymore (and Bra too, but I have zero expectations for the IP holders to have any interest on her, honestly). It isn't going to happen anyways because it seems by Daima we are heading full speed on (even more) unhinged fanservice and nostalgia in a riduculous cycle, but still.

You pretty much summed up the reasons why I'm more than cool with Gohan just... NOT being a thing in DB anymore, or at the very least? I'd be totally fine with him being part of the 'reserve' team (i.e. only brought in when things are REALLY dire). Otherwise, Gohan being made to hijack Super Hero from Piccolo (and to a lesser extent, Daima not featuring him at all outside of flashbacks) pretty much proved to me that Toriyama and/or the DB Room (or whoever is handling things now) has no real plan for Gohan going forward.

(Side note, but Super Hero WOULD have been my favorite DB movie ever if TOEI and Iyoku just let Toriyama stick to his guns and keep Piccolo as the sole focus of the movie. Bonus points if PAN was Piccolo's co-star instead of her dad.)

And honestly? That's completely fine to me. Heck, part of why I'm genuinely happy that Goku returned as DB's lead before Toriyama wrapped up the OG story is that Goku's journey of self-improvement is, by all accounts, never-ending. Meanwhile, Gohan's plans for the future are pretty well-defined to have some sort of end to it and given how he's not even into martial arts/fighting? I imagine that not many would really care all too much for Gohan's exploits at that point.

For goodness' sake, Pan has legit shown in all sorts of DB media (well, GT is a bit debatable, given how quick she can be to throw in the towel at times) that she would LOVE to be "about that life" that her dad wanted NO part in. Really, DB Room... Pan is RIGHT THERE to do something interesting with.

[Yuji]

I could deal with a Gohan spin-off, or another movie or two, but a long 20+ episode series, I agree he's not really suited for the main character role - he's largely reactive, and I don't see how many more times you can reuse the same tropes. Pan, Oob, even Goten and Trunks all fit into Dragon Ball's themes better as next-generation substitutes for a protagonist.

[Vegeta th3 4th]

That next generation is not Gohan. He already completed his character journey. Goten, Trunks and specially Pan and Uub are the ones we should focus if we are really going down the path of not focusing on Goku anymore (and Bra too, but I have zero expectations for the IP holders to have any interest on her, honestly).

In the 2008 OVA Gohan was mentoring Goten and Trunks when they fought those two goons who were after Vegeta's brother, so him taking on a mentor role like his future counterpart would be an interesting road to go down. There's so much potential in a post-End of Z era with new characters being trained by the classic ones, but the people running the franchise have 0 creative vision to pull something like that off.

Here are some interesting teacher-student combinations they could go with:

Goku trains Uub: Obviously; it was set up at the end of Z.
Gohan trains Goten & Trunks: We got a glimpse of this in the Tarble OVA.
Vegeta trains Pan & Piccolo trains Bulla: Most people would switch these, but this would be more interesting.
Reveal that Tien and Launch settled down and had a kid following the death of Cell, and have him train said kid and Marron.
Introduce a new Namekian and Buu's offspring (from Online), both of whom will be trained by Krillin. How would a normal human deal with such powerful beings ?

[SupremeKai25]

If you want Gohan as the main character, why you want to remove Goku Black and Future Trunks? You'll be missing out on so many cool character interactions.

Because Future Trunks is not needed anymore, his story arc was done in Z when he returned to his timeline.

Toriyama disagreed. If he decided to bring back Trunks (or agreed to the Dragon Room's suggestion or whatever), it's because he believed his story was unfinished.

And I had enough evil Gokus with Turles and Captain Ginyu. And Bardock.

Good thing Goku Black is not just an evil Goku and is in fact a much more compelling and fascinating character than those people.

If what you want is a completely different arc featuring Zamasu as the only villain, I'm not interested. If I were forced to choose, I'd rather have the FT arc as it is, UNCHANGED, and simply involve Gohan in the main battles with Black and Zamasu.

I have no interest in a hypothetical arc that's got nothing I love from the FT arc except for Zamasu.

Sparking Zero already presents a perfect What if scenario of what I'm talking about, except that I'd still keep Goku Black instead of making a lame "Gohan Black" thing.

[Vegeta th3 4th]

Toriyama disagreed. If he decided to bring back Trunks (or agreed to the Dragon Room's suggestion or whatever), it's because he believed his story was unfinished.

Future Trunks' story was wrapped up back in 1993, a whole 22 years before Super became a thing. In fact, every character's story was wrapped up by the end of the Buu arc. Outside of the Battle of Gods movie, none of the modern stories progressed the arcs of any character in any meaningful way. Trunks' story in the Zamasu arc is the exact same story that it was in the Cell arc. What was the point of bringing him back if they were just going to rehash the same story we already have ? Keep in mind that I'm not a Toriyama fanboy, so the whole "because Toriyama decided" isn't a good enough reason.

[GokuHater]

Toriyama disagreed. If he decided to bring back Trunks (or agreed to the Dragon Room's suggestion or whatever), it's because he believed his story was unfinished.

Future Trunks' story was wrapped up back in 1993, a whole 22 years before Super became a thing. In fact, every character's story was wrapped up by the end of the Buu arc. Outside of the Battle of Gods movie, none of the modern stories progressed the arcs of any character in any meaningful way. Trunks' story in the Zamasu arc is the exact same story that it was in the Cell arc. What was the point of bringing him back if they were just going to rehash the same story we already have ? Keep in mind that I'm not a Toriyama fanboy, so the whole "because Toriyama decided" isn't a good enough reason.

There is only one true answer... Nostalgia and fan service

[Vegeta th3 4th]

There is only one true answer... Nostalgia and fan service

I don't know why it's so hard for Super's fans to admit that's what it is. If you're a fan of something that relies on fan service and nostalgia, why pretend it's something it's not ?