What did the Super anime mean with the "brief parting" before it got cancelled?

[Jord]

Was it a hint towards the Broly movie?
Were they hoping to get renewed in a year or so?

I don't think it had anything to do with the manga, since I believe that's a separate continuity.
It's been 6 years ago so it made me wonder.

[SupremeKai25]

For one, it was not cancelled. It ended because it finished adapting the Tournament of Power saga.

It was referring either to the Broly movie or to the Super Dragon Ball Heroes anime.

[VegettoEX]

For one, it was not cancelled. It ended because it finished adapting the Tournament of Power saga.

Is this not a distinction without a difference?

The entire series was being conceived of and written arc-by-arc (by the seat of their pants, changing things mid-production). Them deciding to end it after that arc wasn't some sort of grand, pre-planned endpoint... but rather a simple fact of where they cut it off. They could have done another arc, but chose not to.

"Stopped working on it" vs "cancelled" doesn't really change much, though I acknowledge one holds more power in terminology... but let's not be so precious about it, I'd argue?

[SupremeKai25]

For one, it was not cancelled. It ended because it finished adapting the Tournament of Power saga.

Is this not a distinction without a difference?

The entire series was being conceived of and written arc-by-arc (by the seat of their pants, changing things mid-production). Them deciding to end it after that arc wasn't some sort of grand, pre-planned endpoint... but rather a simple fact of where they cut it off. They could have done another arc, but chose not to.

"Stopped working on it" vs "cancelled" doesn't really change much, though I acknowledge one holds more power in terminology... but let's not be so precious about it, I'd argue?

OP claimed several times in the past that Super was "cancelled" because it had bad writing and people didn't buy its merchandise. He uses the term pejoratively.

Not sure how it's once again me who said something wrong.

[Vegeta th3 4th]

The Super anime was intended to return in 2019, with one of the merchandising companies from South America (I think ?) letting it be known that they were told by Toei that more Super episodes were in production. However; Covid happened soon after, followed by the rights issue between Shueisha and Iyoko, which was then followed by Toriyama's passing. I have no doubt that Super will return, just not anytime soon. There are too many behind the scenes issues that need to get resolved before that can happen.

[Basaku]

The Super anime was intended to return in 2019, with one of the merchandising companies from South America (I think ?) letting it be known that they were told by Toei that more Super episodes were in production. However; Covid happened soon after, followed by the rights issue between Shueisha and Iyoko, which was then followed by Toriyama's passing. I have no doubt that Super will return, just not anytime soon. There are too many behind the scenes issues that need to get resolved before that can happen.

2uper anime pre-production was axed before Covid even happened so there's no relation.

Things are simple - Shueisha gets greedy and wants the manga as the 'prime' product = they block 2uper anime = Toei and Iyoku (who was still at Shueisha then) start working on Daima and SH movie instead literally the same year. In the meantime Shueisha execs continue blocking 2uper and Iyoku continues to make more and more decisions they don't like (Sandland) = he gets demoted and leaves, Toriyama backs him, Capsule gets anime rights = Iyoku and Toei announce Daima, Capsule is the one to release statement on Toriyama's passing.

Whether all the conflicts are resolved now remains to be seen, but seeing how Daima happened and Super manga one-shot happened I think things are settling. I expect Shueisha to stop blocking 2uper anime when the manga finishes with Black Freeza anyway, they will want the sales bump the anime adaptation will obviously provide them when the sales decilne rapidly after the manga concludes.

[Vegeta th3 4th]

Whether all the conflicts are resolved now remains to be seen, but seeing how Daima happened and Super manga one-shot happened I think things are settling.

That chapter was likely made so they'd have enough chapters to release vol 24; I don't think it had anything to do with the conflict going on between the two parties.

[Basaku]

Whether all the conflicts are resolved now remains to be seen, but seeing how Daima happened and Super manga one-shot happened I think things are settling.

That chapter was likely made so they'd have enough chapters to release vol 24; I don't think it had anything to do with the conflict going on between the two parties.

True but if they can do a new chapter to complete a volume for a release, why not continue the manga then? If the conflict with Toei/Iyoku is blocking them somehow, then that means Toei or Capsule Corp must've agreed to release even this one new manga chapter at all in the first place. So... why would Toei/Iyoku do that without getting what they want from Shueisha in return (aka 2uper anime greenlight)? You get the gist. To me the new one-shot, even if just a one-shot for now, just got to mean some more behind the scene stuff resolving or simply that there is nothing stopping Shueisha from doing more manga chapters whether Toei/Capsule Corp likes it or not

[Vegeta th3 4th]

True but if they can do a new chapter to complete a volume for a release, why not continue the manga then?

They're probably not sure what to do now that Toriyama's gone. It's one thing to release a single side chapter, it's another to commit to an entire arc that could last for two years.

[Basaku]

True but if they can do a new chapter to complete a volume for a release, why not continue the manga then?

They're probably not sure what to do now that Toriyama's gone. It's one thing to release a single side chapter, it's another to commit to an entire arc that could last for two years.

Could be the case but... with EOZ barely 1 year away and Black Freeza cliffhanger, it ain't like they don't have the obvious thing to do here exactly for the final big arc that could last 2 or even 3 years as the Super finale. Esp as I'm almost sure Toriyama and Toyo did prep at least a base outline for the arc, Black Freeza cliffhanger happened long before Toriyama even passed so I doubt Toyo was left with absolutely nothing to guide him. I mean, maybe not but figuring that out (BFreez/Super finale piror EOZ) seems like an infintely easier stuff to do than figuring what to even do with this franchise post-EOZ

One thing I did consider, and what some insiders mentioned that was discussed at some point, was perhaps Shueisha waiting for Toei to be done with Daima fully (which maybe includes Season 2/Movie?) to use some of that stuff in Super/Black Freeza. That could explain logically the seemingly endless hiatus...

Guess we'll see

[GurixDr34]

I hope Super comes back soon and that they adapt the Manga arcs into Anime i hope its not long i hope the Anime can come back in 2027 i dont think that will happen in 2026

[Baggie_Saiyan]

Was it a hint towards the Broly movie?
Were they hoping to get renewed in a year or so?

I don't think it had anything to do with the manga, since I believe that's a separate continuity.
It's been 6 years ago so it made me wonder.

Toriyama's comment said the anime would be ending "for now" and that manga would go in a different direction. We know the manga did but obviously DBS didnt return my guess is DBS was planned to return with the refreshed character designs (a year after Broly Bandai started marketing DBS Broly merch as just part of DBS without the movie tag so perhaps implying a retelling was planned at some stage) but then they saw how successful Broly was and decided to go with movies going forward.

Also Broly wasn't allowed to be be touched by Bandai for DBH but UI was so further implying that Toei maybe had further plans for Broly, which are now probably moot which is why Toyo is allowed to use him now too.

[sangofe]

The Super anime was intended to return in 2019, with one of the merchandising companies from South America (I think ?) letting it be known that they were told by Toei that more Super episodes were in production. However; Covid happened soon after, followed by the rights issue between Shueisha and Iyoko, which was then followed by Toriyama's passing. I have no doubt that Super will return, just not anytime soon. There are too many behind the scenes issues that need to get resolved before that can happen.

Not only that, actors in Mexico and France also said the same things.

[GokuHater]

No idea what they meant but I belong to the team who state that DBS was in some way "cancelled".

Let's not be idealistic. The producers of such multi milion dollar shows are not keen on making a well rounded, poetic story which will stand on its own. They are bent on making a product for which will be liked, which will be watched, which can generate money - and this isn't bad per se. It's just the way company works. Toei is no exception.
They didn't end DBS with ToP beacuse that was the master plan where everything fits into place. If DBS didn't face any turbulence and generate high income, it would probably be produced all the way up to now (excluding all the law drama).

When the manga ended, Toei did not decide to end Dragon Ball but went on with GT for more viewing.
When GT ended it was not because they decided to make a rich and planned story for 64 episodes but simply because GT did not turn out how they wanted it to.
It was like that then and it is like that now.

As for Super's eventual return, I would be onboard but only if we have a good plot outline and plan to work with, good business plan, 2 or 3 arcs plan (either completely new or adapted from the manag), a big team of talented writers and animators and most of all time for them to shine. Otherwise we will just receive more of what we had till now.

[SupremeKai25]

No idea what they meant but I belong to the team who state that DBS was in some way "cancelled".

Let's not be idealistic. The producers of such multi milion dollar shows are not keen on making a well rounded, poetic story which will stand on its own. They are bent on making a product for which will be liked, which will be watched, which can generate money - and this isn't bad per se. It's just the way company works. Toei is no exception.
They didn't end DBS with ToP beacuse that was the master plan where everything fits into place. If DBS didn't face any turbulence and generate high income, it would probably be produced all the way up to now (excluding all the law drama).

When the manga ended, Toei did not decide to end Dragon Ball but went on with GT for more viewing.
When GT ended it was not because they decided to make a rich and planned story for 64 episodes but simply because GT did not turn out how they wanted it to.
It was like that then and it is like that now.

As for Super's eventual return, I would be onboard but only if we have a good plot outline and plan to work with, good business plan, 2 or 3 arcs plan (either completely new or adapted from the manag), a big team of talented writers and animators and most of all time for them to shine. Otherwise we will just receive more of what we had till now.

After the Super anime ended in March 2018, Toei began the Super Dragon Ball Heroes anime in July 2018.

The Super anime was not a financial flop.

[Benjamin-Simons-91]

No idea what they meant but I belong to the team who state that DBS was in some way "cancelled".

Let's not be idealistic. The producers of such multi milion dollar shows are not keen on making a well rounded, poetic story which will stand on its own. They are bent on making a product for which will be liked, which will be watched, which can generate money - and this isn't bad per se. It's just the way company works. Toei is no exception.
They didn't end DBS with ToP beacuse that was the master plan where everything fits into place. If DBS didn't face any turbulence and generate high income, it would probably be produced all the way up to now (excluding all the law drama).

When the manga ended, Toei did not decide to end Dragon Ball but went on with GT for more viewing.
When GT ended it was not because they decided to make a rich and planned story for 64 episodes but simply because GT did not turn out how they wanted it to.
It was like that then and it is like that now.

As for Super's eventual return, I would be onboard but only if we have a good plot outline and plan to work with, good business plan, 2 or 3 arcs plan (either completely new or adapted from the manag), a big team of talented writers and animators and most of all time for them to shine. Otherwise we will just receive more of what we had till now.

After the Super anime ended in March 2018, Toei began the Super Dragon Ball Heroes anime in July 2018.

The Super anime was not a financial flop.

The simple answer is that the narrator referred to both Dragon Ball Super: Broly AND Super Dragon Ball Heroes; both premiered later in 2018.

[SupremeKai25]

The simple answer is that the narrator referred to both Dragon Ball Super: Broly AND Super Dragon Ball Heroes; both premiered later in 2018.

Yes, that is the simplest answer, and most likely the correct one.

And while people usually make fun of Super Dragon Ball Heroes, it's still considered to be a continuation of the Super anime. Literally. Fused Zamasu from the Super anime appears in that Heroes anime (we know it's the anime version because he's got half his body covered in bandages, the half that was corrupted in the Super anime).

[Jord]

No idea what they meant but I belong to the team who state that DBS was in some way "cancelled".

Let's not be idealistic. The producers of such multi milion dollar shows are not keen on making a well rounded, poetic story which will stand on its own. They are bent on making a product for which will be liked, which will be watched, which can generate money - and this isn't bad per se. It's just the way company works. Toei is no exception.
They didn't end DBS with ToP beacuse that was the master plan where everything fits into place. If DBS didn't face any turbulence and generate high income, it would probably be produced all the way up to now (excluding all the law drama).

When the manga ended, Toei did not decide to end Dragon Ball but went on with GT for more viewing.
When GT ended it was not because they decided to make a rich and planned story for 64 episodes but simply because GT did not turn out how they wanted it to.
It was like that then and it is like that now.

As for Super's eventual return, I would be onboard but only if we have a good plot outline and plan to work with, good business plan, 2 or 3 arcs plan (either completely new or adapted from the manag), a big team of talented writers and animators and most of all time for them to shine. Otherwise we will just receive more of what we had till now.

After the Super anime ended in March 2018, Toei began the Super Dragon Ball Heroes anime in July 2018.

The Super anime was not a financial flop.

The simple answer is that the narrator referred to both Dragon Ball Super: Broly AND Super Dragon Ball Heroes; both premiered later in 2018.

In a way SDBH was a successor to Super, seeing as how it was the only anime that was broadcasted after Super got cancelled. Lasted longer as well.