Continuity/rules - how important are established rules for you? (Super Hero minor spoilers)

[coola]

As i was watching Dragon Ball Super: Hero Movie, scene with Piccolo and Dende upset me a little, Dende proposing Shen Long to vanquish RRA and draw Piccolo potential like Grand Elder, did they forgot Shenlong could not make someone stronger or kill those with more power than him? I felt similar way in that infamous Super episode, where writers forgot Piccolo have super hearing, as i got older, i got really pedantic about world building and rules in various media, and when series/games outright forget or ignore what they established, it suck some fun out of me. And i know original series sometimes did it too, but, it was never that glaring. Unless i just forgot

[Mystic-han]

The dragon ball in modern era are pure plot device that always get hand waved as Dende upgrade them off screen!!!"

You can headcanon that Piccolo and Dende were talking about Magenta and Hedo , leaving the gamma alones to be dealt with and remove Cell Max (with no Hedo and others to complete him) from the picture

[Alruneia]

Consistency is nice, but I'm not gonna say "never change anything ever", because then the story eventually won't be able to move forward anymore. I guess what's important to me is that if established in-universe rules are broken, I'd like some kind of in-universe justification for it. Like with the Potara earring change in Super, for example. Like the change or not, at least it came packaged with an explanation. When things change and there's no justification for it other than ":)", it feels kinda lame to me. It doesn't have to be a lore dump, but... at least make a small attempt, please?

[Kaboom]

Changes to lore and in-universe "rules" are fine and inoffensive when they A) have adequate in-universe reasoning for happening, and B) are done for the sake of actually telling a good story.

Super typically wasn't interested in doing either of those things.

[MasenkoHA]

With Dragon Ball a lot of rules are made up on the fly to create tension or for handwaves so I’m not bothered when those rules are later broken.

There’s no reason Shen Long couldn’t at least teleport the Saiyans pods into the sun but then there would be no fight.

There’s no reason Shen Long shouldn’t be able to make 17 and 18 human again, but then Toriyama would be SOL if he ever wanted to bring 17 back as a warrior or use 18 as a fighter on par or stronger than the other non-Saiyan:Namekian Z Warriors.

Shen Long wont grant the same wish twice is an arbitrary rule that Goku just brings up out of nowhere but now there’s drama when Freeza kills Krillin with Porunga gone and Goku’s anger at Krillin’s death doesn’t feel like manufactured drama because he has reason to believe Krillin won’t come back

The original Majin Buu is pure evil incarnate but is still reincarnated as a good person but somehow Freeza can resist being cleansed for reincarnation. But that’s because Toriyama had the idea to bring back Freeza for the second revival film after hearing F by Maximum Hormone.

Dragon Ball has always been more about the style than its own flimsy lore and that’s fine with me

[Vegeta th3 4th]

Changes to lore and in-universe "rules" are fine and inoffensive when they A) have adequate in-universe reasoning for happening, and B) are done for the sake of actually telling a good story.

Super typically wasn't interested in doing either of those things.

These are my thoughts exactly. With a long running series like Dragon Ball, I can look past an inconsistency every now and then. The problem with Super is that it seems to go out of its way to contradict the original series, be it rules/lore or characterizations.

[coola]

Like with the Potara earring change in Super, for example. Like the change or not, at least it came packaged with an explanation. When things change and there's no justification for it other than ":)", it feels kinda lame to me. It doesn't have to be a lore dump, but... at least make a small attempt, please?

Yes, i can buy changes like this, at first i thought it was strange Elder Kaioshin wouldn't know about Potara half hour limit on mortals, but then again, those are God treasures, Kibito thought it was blasphemy for Gohan and company to even be in Sacred World, let alone wear Potara, so no wonder even Kaioshins wouldn't know about fusion limit

[super michael]

In RoF movie they forgot that Shenron can grant 3 wishes instead of 2.
In the ToP for some reason only C17 could hear the tiny fighter, but not Piccolo who assumed it was another invisible fighter.

In DBS Super Hero Goku doesn't know what meditation is and doesn't understand what it means to use his powers efficiently, even though that goes against everything in Dragon Ball and Dragon Ball Z and even Dragon Ball Super.

I almost forgot trying to make 1,300,000 look like it is a big deal in RoF, when in the Namek Saga it was stated that 2nd Form Freeza has over 1,000,000 in the manga.

[coola]

In DBS Super Hero Goku doesn't know what meditation is and doesn't understand what it means to use his powers efficiently, even though that goes against everything in Dragon Ball and Dragon Ball Z and even Dragon Ball Super.

I almost forgot trying to make 1,300,000 look like it is a big deal in RoF, when in the Namek Saga it was stated that 2nd Form Freeza has over 1,000,000 in the manga.

Super Goku being bigger retard than TFS Goku (who at least was genius in regards to fighting) is one of reasons why he is one of worst parts of Dragon Ball for me (With is kind of a problem, considering he is main character, but oh well )