Which is the better Goku from GT, DBS anime/manga and Daima

[super michael]

I am curious to see which Goku members believes is better and why from GT, DBS anime / manga and Daima.

I like GT, DBS manga and Daima Goku, so I have to think which one I prefer.

[SupremeKai25]

Super Goku, because he finally got a job (a farmer, a most respectable and noble job), which he uses to pay for his wife's needs, his younger son's tuition at one of the top colleges on the planet, and probably his granddaughter's kindergarten fee.

[90sDBZ]

GT Goku actually feels like the same character as Buu arc Goku. He can still be naive, but he's ultimately quite mature.

Super Goku is a comedic caricature a lot of the time, and an overcorrection of how Toriyama viewed anime Goku. He also unexplicably doesn't know what kissing or meditation are.

I haven't read Super's Manga so can't comment on that.

Daima Goku felt more in line with earlier iterations from what we saw of him. He doesn't say or do anything that doesn't ring true to the character.

[super michael]

GT Goku has no problem letting others fight before him and even fight together with others.

I will have to vote for Dragon Ball GT Goku.


DBS anime Goku didn't feel like Goku at all, felt more like a clown with Goku skin.

[Vegeta th3 4th]

Super's Goku is a meme, so I'll go with GT, although Daima is a close 2nd.

[TechExpert2021]

For me, it's GT Goku, with Daima Goku being a close second. Super manga Goku is a close third.

Super anime Goku is dumb.

[Trouser]

Goku from GT feels like a natural progression from the Boo Arc. Daima is second close after GT.

Super version is a caricature of Goku.

[Yuji]

1. Super manga
2. Daima
3. GT
4. Super anime

Maybe 1/2 are a bit interchangeable for adult Goku at least but I'm just not a fan of how much they flanderize kid Goku in Daima.

[PhantomSaiyan]

and probably his granddaughter's kindergarten fee.

I really think that should be payed by her mother's INSANELY rich family to be honest lol

[Rhadon]

Super Goku,

[Koitsukai]

DBS Manga Goku - he remains clueless but not to the extreme the anime took him to. And the greatest martial artist.

Daima Goku - he has the charm from the original DB, GT failed to recreate that. And he is also still great with his fists.

DBS Anime - too obnoxious for my taste, and we can shit all over his characterization but he proved to be still a fighting genius.

GT - lacks that quality, that charm Daima and DB chibi Goku had. And of top of that, he is as dumb as DBS anime Goku, but on the front where he shouldn't ever be: the battlefield. He is better than DBS Goku in terms of daily life but unrecognizable in terms of fighting, and that's where I draw the line.

[super michael]

Daima Goku used his tail in a good in a good way, when he was fighting Gomah. GT Goku never used his tail in a useful way.
I guess Daima Goku is similar to Dragon Ball Goku as a kid, since Goku used to use his tail in a good way. He used his tail to fly, trip his opponent and dodge by grabbing to his opponent body.

DBS Anime - too obnoxious for my taste, and we can shit all over his characterization but he proved to be still a fighting genius.

Forgetting battle items and dropping his guard down too much I wouldn't call him a fighting genius.
Getting upset as C17 for using his brains against the girls transforming was dumb, when the girls left themselves wide open.

In DBS Super Hero Goku didn't know Vegeta was meditating and didn't know why meditation was useful. He didn't know why using his power efficiently was important. He was clueless in the entire conversation.


In DBS Broly, Goku forgot the senzu beans and he didn't think of using IT to teleport to Karin and then teleport back instantly.

[Koitsukai]

Forgetting battle items and dropping his guard down too much I wouldn't call him a fighting genius.
Getting upset as C17 for using his brains against the girls transforming was dumb, when the girls left themselves wide open.

In DBS Super Hero Goku didn't know Vegeta was meditating and didn't know why meditation was useful. He didn't know why using his power efficiently was important. He was clueless in the entire conversation.


In DBS Broly, Goku forgot the senzu beans and he didn't think of using IT to teleport to Karin and then teleport back instantly.

- Unlocking UI in 48 minutes, while GoDs failed to do so in eons, meets the requirements for a fighting genius, I'm afraid.
- Forgetting battle items requires doing so BEFORE the fight, in line with what I said: battles start: Goku becomes a genius. Before Battles: Goku is a jackass. But, IIRC, the error was on Roshi's part, no? he was the one providing the wrong seal.
-Wanting a fair fight is not being dumb. It's his way of fighting, that's Goku 101. If he was dumb there, he was also dumb vs Piccolo Jr., vs Vegeta, vs Ginyu, vs Freeza, vs Cell, vs Buu... then he would be dumb, period.

- The infamous meditation scene from SH was corrected in the manga, supporting my original point. Clearly, that was Toriyama screwing up and Toyo fixing it. Not Goku being dumb, but Akira, lol. Disingenuous to blame that on characterization.

- Recovering and fighting Broly again would change nothing. Goku needed Vegeta to learn the dance fusion, not to regain health. Also, how do you know the beans were available? many times there aren't any left.
How can you call that a stupid move when it worked wonderfully? there was no need for senzu beans, clearly. They needed more power.

[super michael]

Forgetting battle items and dropping his guard down too much I wouldn't call him a fighting genius.
Getting upset as C17 for using his brains against the girls transforming was dumb, when the girls left themselves wide open.

In DBS Super Hero Goku didn't know Vegeta was meditating and didn't know why meditation was useful. He didn't know why using his power efficiently was important. He was clueless in the entire conversation.


In DBS Broly, Goku forgot the senzu beans and he didn't think of using IT to teleport to Karin and then teleport back instantly.

- Unlocking UI in 48 minutes, while GoDs failed to do so in eons, meets the requirements for a fighting genius, I'm afraid.
- Forgetting battle items requires doing so BEFORE the fight, in line with what I said: battles start: Goku becomes a genius. Before Battles: Goku is a jackass. But, IIRC, the error was on Roshi's part, no? he was the one providing the wrong seal.
-Wanting a fair fight is not being dumb. It's his way of fighting, that's Goku 101. If he was dumb there, he was also dumb vs Piccolo Jr., vs Vegeta, vs Ginyu, vs Freeza, vs Cell, vs Buu... then he would be dumb, period.

- The infamous meditation scene from SH was corrected in the manga, supporting my original point. Clearly, that was Toriyama screwing up and Toyo fixing it. Not Goku being dumb, but Akira, lol. Disingenuous to blame that on characterization.

- Recovering and fighting Broly again would change nothing. Goku needed Vegeta to learn the dance fusion, not to regain health. Also, how do you know the beans were available? many times there aren't any left.
How can you call that a stupid move when it worked wonderfully? there was no need for senzu beans, clearly. They needed more power.

In the manga you are correct, Master Roshi was the one who gave the wrong tag. So the fault isn't on Goku in the manga.
However in the anime Master Roshi told Goku to wait, while he get the talisman, but Goku left without getting it. So Goku is at fault 100%.

In the 23rd Martial Art Tournament there are rules that can get Goku disqualified, that is why he didn't want anyone helping him.
Againt Recoome Goku 1 hit KO him while he was charging his ultimate technique, he didn't wait to see his technique. I have no idea what your point is about Vegeta, Ginyu Freeza, Cell and Buu.

In the ToP the only rules are no killing and can't use ki to fly. Everything is fair. If the girls are stupid enough to announce their location and do dumb pose while leaving themselves wide open, then C17 did the right decision in attacking them. A fighter exploit their weakness, like Goku knowing Freeza can't sense ki so he attacked under water with his Torpedo Kamehameha.


In DBS Broly movie Goku didn't say Karin was out of Senzu Beans, he said that he completely forgot the Senzu Beans. In DBZ we are clearly told their limited Senzu Beans or how much Karin can give them.



DBS Manga Goku is a better character than DBS Anime Goku. Some of Goku bad writing in the anime, they didn't happen in the manga or they toned it down a lot.

[Koitsukai]

In the manga you are correct, Master Roshi was the one who gave the wrong tag. So the fault isn't on Goku in the manga.
However in the anime Master Roshi told Goku to wait, while he get the talisman, but Goku left without getting it. So Goku is at fault 100%.

In the 23rd Martial Art Tournament there are rules that can get Goku disqualified, that is why he didn't want anyone helping him.
Againt Recoome Goku 1 hit KO him while he was charging his ultimate technique, he didn't wait to see his technique. I have no idea what your point is about Vegeta, Ginyu Freeza, Cell and Buu.

In the ToP the only rules are no killing and can't use ki to fly. Everything is fair. If the girls are stupid enough to announce their location and do dumb pose while leaving themselves wide open, then C17 did the right decision in attacking them. A fighter exploit their weakness, like Goku knowing Freeza can't sense ki so he attacked under water with his Torpedo Kamehameha.


In DBS Broly movie Goku didn't say Karin was out of Senzu Beans, he said that he completely forgot the Senzu Beans. In DBZ we are clearly told their limited Senzu Beans or how much Karin can give them.

- Still a non-fighting mistake, the Mafuba fumble. My point stands, when the music starts he'll master a technique Beerus cannot. Unlike GT, where he'll serve S-17 or some silly little dragons the W in a silver platter because he is too dumb to fight properly or read his opponent.

- The stakes weren't a friendly match in a tourney, Piccolo Jr. wanted to take over the world. If letting a weakling like Ribbiane transform is dumb then so were his decisions vs Jr. So it was to let Freeza go 100%. That's Goku front and back. Shit, that's nothing compared to giving Cell a senzu or breaking the potara. Nothing more Goku than letting the other guy go full power. Not understanding that is not understanding who this man is. He is not being dumb, he is being confident (trusting his power or his plan).

- It's not dumb to chose a better route. Goku chose to fuse, and I would say it worked just fine, didn't it?
No need for beans, Broly would eat the saiyans alive again and again.

[VegettoEX]

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[JulieYBM]

All four of them kind of just blend together for me. As writer and a reader/viewer, I'd probably just cherry-pick and blend together all of the most fun elements. All of these stories try too hard to make Gokuu this sort of subversive character, but I think that they've really on made Gokuu more and more of this stereotypical character within the context—perhaps, vacuum—of Dragon Ball.

My favor moments are when Gokuu is being cheeky and showing off his wisdom, which disarms those around him. Gokuu as a character should be becoming wiser and more closely aligned with a mature adult. That gives room for more potential drama.

Also, that scene in Dragon Ball Super Episode #123, where Gokuu plants those ki landmines while fighting Jiren—is sick as hell. Write him more like that in all ways.

[super michael]

In the manga you are correct, Master Roshi was the one who gave the wrong tag. So the fault isn't on Goku in the manga.
However in the anime Master Roshi told Goku to wait, while he get the talisman, but Goku left without getting it. So Goku is at fault 100%.

In the 23rd Martial Art Tournament there are rules that can get Goku disqualified, that is why he didn't want anyone helping him.
Againt Recoome Goku 1 hit KO him while he was charging his ultimate technique, he didn't wait to see his technique. I have no idea what your point is about Vegeta, Ginyu Freeza, Cell and Buu.

In the ToP the only rules are no killing and can't use ki to fly. Everything is fair. If the girls are stupid enough to announce their location and do dumb pose while leaving themselves wide open, then C17 did the right decision in attacking them. A fighter exploit their weakness, like Goku knowing Freeza can't sense ki so he attacked under water with his Torpedo Kamehameha.


In DBS Broly movie Goku didn't say Karin was out of Senzu Beans, he said that he completely forgot the Senzu Beans. In DBZ we are clearly told their limited Senzu Beans or how much Karin can give them.

- Still a non-fighting mistake, the Mafuba fumble. My point stands, when the music starts he'll master a technique Beerus cannot. Unlike GT, where he'll serve S-17 or some silly little dragons the W in a silver platter because he is too dumb to fight properly or read his opponent.

- The stakes weren't a friendly match in a tourney, Piccolo Jr. wanted to take over the world. If letting a weakling like Ribbiane transform is dumb then so were his decisions vs Jr. So it was to let Freeza go 100%. That's Goku front and back. Shit, that's nothing compared to giving Cell a senzu or breaking the potara. Nothing more Goku than letting the other guy go full power. Not understanding that is not understanding who this man is. He is not being dumb, he is being confident (trusting his power or his plan).

- It's not dumb to chose a better route. Goku chose to fuse, and I would say it worked just fine, didn't it?
No need for beans, Broly would eat the saiyans alive again and again.

Technically Anime DBS Goku can't use UI at will, he hasn't been able to use it after the ToP.
Manga DBS Goku is the one who can use it at will and can do things anime Goku can't. Manga Goku can auto harden and use his giant avatar. DBS Manga I agree he is extremely smart at fighting.
In GT Goku defense he didn't have anyone to teach him after being in Other World for seven years. Goku created his Dragon Fist and 10x Kamehameha which are great feats. Goku exploited Super 17 weakness, which is something a smart fighter does.

Regardless what Piccolo Jr goal was, Piccolo Jr and Goku were in a official tournament for the title. Goku didn't want to lose the title again.
Against Freeza Goku had 3 reasons for why he let him reach 100%, it was to fight the stronger person in the universe, avenge Kuririn who couldn't be revived and break Freeza pride by a Saiyan no less. As for Goku giving Cell a senzu bean, I have no counter to that. The same applies to Goku destroying the Potara before his fight against Kid Buu, however Goku regretted his decision later on.

For the Broly movie, when Goku realized that he forgot the Senzu Bean, why didn't he use IT to teleport before the fight? Even if Goku doesn't eat the senzu bean, it is good to have in emergency.

[GokuHater]

For me I am between GT Goku and Daima Goku.

I think I would settle on GT overall, I do think this Goku is the most consistent with the Goku we saw in Buu saga and at the EoZ.
He has his goofy moments but I think they are more highlighting his chibi version (the same as Daima) and they don't ruin him.
I know he had some stupid moments even as SSJ4 so it's not an ideal interpretation but as close as it gets...

Daima is okay but sometimes to silly - I prefer a well rounded balance between silly and serious Goku.

Super is the worst in my opinion. They sacrificed Goku's character with a goofy modern shonen character. And while a character like that works in modern anime, this does leave a bad taste in my mouth. Moments in which we had a wise, in control, peacefull or actually full angry Goku were few and far between (Goku's anger at Zamasu, "I will not let you destroy my world!, UI) and far outclassed by stupid lines and jokes. And the worst of all he not only became more stupid but also less intelligent at fighting.
It is a bit like watching Goku from Team Four Star but treating it completely straight.

Super manga had it better but still even there his character was a bit dumbed down for my tasting.

[Koitsukai]

Technically Anime DBS Goku can't use UI at will, he hasn't been able to use it after the ToP.
Manga DBS Goku is the one who can use it at will and can do things anime Goku can't. Manga Goku can auto harden and use his giant avatar. DBS Manga I agree he is extremely smart at fighting.
In GT Goku defense he didn't have anyone to teach him after being in Other World for seven years. Goku created his Dragon Fist and 10x Kamehameha which are great feats. Goku exploited Super 17 weakness, which is something a smart fighter does.

Regardless what Piccolo Jr goal was, Piccolo Jr and Goku were in a official tournament for the title. Goku didn't want to lose the title again.
Against Freeza Goku had 3 reasons for why he let him reach 100%, it was to fight the stronger person in the universe, avenge Kuririn who couldn't be revived and break Freeza pride by a Saiyan no less. As for Goku giving Cell a senzu bean, I have no counter to that. The same applies to Goku destroying the Potara before his fight against Kid Buu, however Goku regretted his decision later on.

For the Broly movie, when Goku realized that he forgot the Senzu Bean, why didn't he use IT to teleport before the fight? Even if Goku doesn't eat the senzu bean, it is good to have in emergency.

- It doesn't matter, he still unlocked the full technique in half an hour, while the GoDs haven't, ever. There's no undermining that.
Julie provided a great example of Anime Goku being creative as fuck. Learning from his friends' technique and making Jiren, THE greatest martial artist, fall into his trap.

- Goku was the pinnacle of stupidity vs S-17.
Finding the weakness in S-17 was something he should've discovered 2 episodes before. Calling him smart because he ended up realising the sun was up is like pretending a teenager that was held back two years in school and finally understood how to add and subtrack is now a genius...
KKHx10 is just more power granted by the new form. He didn't even unlock that form on his own, unlike SSB.

- I might not be making myself clear, I apologize. The reasons why Goku did this or that in any particular moment are irrelevant, we all know why he did each of them.
The jist of it is that all of those decisions stem from the poison Toriyama talked about. His desire to fight and enjoy himself to the max, whether is letting Vegeta go, letting Freeza or Ribrianne power up, or letting Ma Jr. hit him back is not due to the motivation at that given time or because he is dUmB, it's not because he is too thick to understand that's not the best route; it's due to how he is. A risky fuck that wants to test himself in Very Hard Mode, and doesn't care for bland fights.

- He survived Jiren without s-beans, of course some guy powering up and making SS Vegeta sweat is not going to make him go run for the hills. Might as well call him dumb because he never asked Shenron or Ro Kaioshin to unlock his full potential, or for not doing the Power of Friendship trick done in the M8, in every dire situation he's been.

Just to be clear, only in the fighting department I find him a genius in the anime, when he is not fighting he is usually too annoying for my taste. While in GT, it's the other way around, but I cannot stomach a Goku that is a moron in the one thing he excels at.