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Re: The All-Purpose "What-If " Thread

Post by coola » Sat Mar 15, 2025 1:06 pm

Yuji wrote: Tue Mar 11, 2025 8:57 am What if Vegeta didn't kill Nappa?

Scenario 1: Vegeta leaves Nappa on the battlefield. Does Kuririn kill him or does Goku let him heal?

Scenario 2: Vegeta calls Nappa's pod before fighting Goku and Nappa is sent off to a Freeza planet for healing
Scenario 1 would be very unlikely, Nappa personally killed Tenshinhan and Piccolo, Kuririn would never heal him.

My what-if, shuffle 23rd TB fights:
Tenshinhan vs Shen
Yamcha vs Tao Pai Pai

Shen would probably still win, but had much harder time, borrowed body and all...And Yamcha could get one victory before returning to poor dolt/butymonkey status 😀
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Re: The All-Purpose "What-If " Thread

Post by SonTao » Wed Mar 19, 2025 3:47 pm

Yuji wrote: Tue Mar 11, 2025 8:57 am What if Vegeta didn't kill Nappa?

Scenario 1: Vegeta leaves Nappa on the battlefield. Does Kuririn kill him or does Goku let him heal?

Scenario 2: Vegeta calls Nappa's pod before fighting Goku and Nappa is sent off to a Freeza planet for healing
S1: It's likely Goku lets Nappa heal, but sends Nappa after Vegeta. Leads into Scenario 2.

Despite who lands first, Vegeta and Nappa are placed into healing pods. This would, afterward, lead into Nappa departing for Namek first prior to Vegeta. He'd totally be pissed about Vegeta trying to kill him--and he'd jump at the chance to get a small head start ahead of Vegeta. Though, if Vegeta called Nappa's pod, Nappa would wait for Vegeta. Now we branch out to two scenarios.

S1: Nappa lands on Namek first, and kinda goes about Vegeta's original business. Though, he has to avoid Cui. His zenkai boost wouldn't get him up enough to rival Cui or Vegeta, so Nappa has to continue being sneaky as he sleuths about and gathers a Dragon Ball or two. The rest of the Namek Saga goes as it does normally until Nappa comes across the group earlier than normal with the intent to kill them and take their Dragon Ball. Yes he can sense ki. If Vegeta learned it, he can too. But, Gohan and Krillin convince Nappa to work with them as they have the Dragon Radar, only Bulma can repair it, and she wouldn't fix it if it broke or if Nappa killed Gohan and Krillin. Nappa agrees, and the group fly about gathering Dragon Balls. Vegeta kills Zarbon, Gohan and co. go to Guru's, and Gohan has his power awakened by Krillin behind Nappa's back in order to get the brute off their back. None of this matters as the Ginyu Force shows up, and the gang has to work together. With an extra group member, one may think the Ginyu Force fights change! Sike, nope. The Recoome and Guldo fights go as normal, with the exception of Nappa laying in to give some assistance. Goku shows up and cleans house. Nappa and Vegeta acquire zenkai boosts, and Nappa is probably around Saiyan Saga Vegeta level by now, or maybe a bit tougher. As Ginyu and Jeice return, Vegeta departs in order to go dick around as per usual. Nappa sticks around though in order to help Goku, specifically because he hates Vegeta, and hates Goku a smidge less.
Nappa warns Goku of Ginyu's body swap abilities, meaning despite Nappa's low level of strength relative to the other combatants, Goku manages to put Ginyu and Jeice into the dirt--leaving them ALIVE. Nappa attempts to kill the two, but Goku can stop him if he tries. With those two knocked out, Goku and Nappa regroup with Krillin and Gohan--alongside Vegeta, whom was hiding to take the Dragon Balls. Vegeta joins the crew as per usual in order to beat Frieza. Buuuut, one problem. Everyone is awake, Goku won't be getting a Zenkai. The gang receives word from Dende about the password. Piccolo is revived but not brought to Namek as the group rightly asserts, especially with a healthy Goku, that Piccolo would be in more danger. Chiaotzu is revived, and as the wish to make Vegeta immortal is proposed, Guru passes away. As this happens earlier than usual, hours earlier, Goku and co are given time to prepare. Nappa and Vegeta don't come to a resolution, but Nappa does decide to prepare with Goku and the others, doing a little bit more training. Even if not a lot, warming up is still a good idea. Nappa asserts his truce with the Dragon Team at the moment, as he gets along a bit better with Goku than Vegeta. As Frieza arrives, the gang lets Vegeta do his thing until Frieza transforms into his second form. Then it's a problem. With no senzu beans and no Piccolo, the gang is kinda cooked unless Nappa and Vegeta can stall for Goku to be healed by a pod. If not... dead. Super dead. Turbo dead, even. Timeline is doomed. So, the world is doomed because Nappa led to Goku being around and they assumed he'd be enough to beat Frieza. Womp womp.

S2: If Vegeta called for Nappa's pod, Nappa is still loyal to Vegeta! He's bros with the Prince still, Vegeta showed that he cared about him! So when Nappa and Vegeta are done healing, Vegeta takes Nappa with him to Namek, and pretty much most of the Namek Saga goes the same, but Nappa is at Vegeta's side! He has a zenkaiv, he's helping Vegeta in fights, he's just having a swell time. When Goku combats Ginyu and most of that goes as per normal, Nappa and Vegeta make one big complication. Nappa stays AWAKE while Vegeta takes a nap. So, reviving Piccolo is... convoluted. Krillin Solar Flares the shit out of Nappa, and they wish Piccolo back to life and back to Namek. Piccolo does his usual fusing with Nail off out there, whereas Nappa and Vegeta group up to lay the smackdown on Krillin, Gohan and Dense. Spoiler, Frieza shows up. The fight pretty much goes the same up until the Third Form Frieza fight, wherein Nappa and Vegeta jump in to assault Frieza despite their weakness, and use Krillin for Zenkais. Eventually, Frieza ascends to his final form and kills Dende, proceeding to jump Vegeta--but Nappa does try to shove him back. Albeit to no avail. When Vegeta is laid out and Nappa is next on the chopping block, Goku arrives. Frieza kills Vegeta. Now comes a divergence!

Nappa could go Super Saiyan. His charge, the boy he cared for his entire life, was dead. He was the closest thing Nappa had to a son, despite their differences occasionally. This is a big IF, but it's possible. Nappa transforms into a Super Saiyan, and begins his assault on Frieza. Despite his power, it won't be enough. Assuming he makes it to 24k or around Zarbon's level (he'd likely be above there by now, but still) he still wouldn't be strong enough to fight Frieza alone. Goku joins in of course, but the two aren't enough. Eventually, Nappa powers down, leaving Goku alone to fight Frieza. Goku is a lot better off here though, as with a weaker Frieza, Piccolo and Goku have an easier time making the Spirit Bomb to knock him down. Even if it doesn't kill Frieza, Goku would still go Super Saiyan himself, and kill the Frost Demon. With Frieza defeated earlier, the Dragon Balls are used to wish everyone back to Earth.

If Nappa doesn't go SSJ, the saga ends as per normal, albeit Nappa helped hold Frieza off. Main difference being Goku wouldn't have gone to Yardrat if Nappa went SSJ. From here, things are a bit odd.

Goku is a Super Saiyan. In the scenario where Nappa went SSJ, Nappa trains with Goku to hone Super Saiyan. Vegeta, disgusted, decides to leave Earth for an indeterminate period of time in the gravity ship. Regardless of scenario, he wants Super Saiyan, and wants it BAD. Nappa can't follow in either scenario due to Vegeta's pride. Trunks is still born, Nappa has a garden, yahoo. Future Trunks shows up and kills Mecha Frieza dead if he does show up. In the SSJ Nappa early timeline, Trunks just gives Goku the heart medication, offers to spar, then leaves. The 3 Years of Training is the same, and this is where timelines mostly merge with the exception of Instant Transmission not being a thing. The Androids show up, and despite Goku being weakened by the heart virus, Nappa overpowers the 19 before Vegeta even arrives. Vegeta pulls up, Gero panics, and the group chases him down to his lab. Trunks shows up to find the Z Fighters with kicked asses via the Androids. After regrouping, Cell makes himself known and Piccolo fuses with Kami to combat the Android. From here, the timeline is normal up until the HTC groups, which now involve Nappa training with Piccolo considering the other two saiyans are with their kids--meaning Nappa and Piccolo are stronger than in canon (well, Piccolo specifically). The Cell Juniors are a bit less of a problem later, and Cell goes down a smidge faster due to Nappa's assistance. SSJ2 Gohan is a thing. BUT. Now we split again.

SSJ Nappa on Namek Timeline: NO IT! Gohan needs to find a solution to kill Cell! Nappa suggests, well... a punch and kick might blow Cell up via pressure. Why not just... vaporize him.

It's stupid. But worth a shot. The entire gang fires off a massive energy wave, and erase Cell. Goku lives! Yay!

In the regular timeline, Goku still sacrifices himself.
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Post by Peach » Sat Apr 12, 2025 5:34 pm

What if Nappa came to Earth instead of Raditz to recruit Goku?

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Post by JulieYBM » Sat Apr 12, 2025 6:18 pm

Yuji wrote: Tue Mar 11, 2025 8:57 am What if Vegeta didn't kill Nappa?

Scenario 1: Vegeta leaves Nappa on the battlefield. Does Kuririn kill him or does Goku let him heal?

Scenario 2: Vegeta calls Nappa's pod before fighting Goku and Nappa is sent off to a Freeza planet for healing
I accidentally got bored and wrote a long answer for Scenario #1 lol
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Post by coola » Wed Apr 16, 2025 2:40 pm

Peach wrote: Sat Apr 12, 2025 5:34 pm What if Nappa came to Earth instead of Raditz to recruit Goku?
Nappa "Hey, Vegeta, you see, Kakarotto lost his memory, think of himself as earthling and refuse to join us, can i kill everyone before i go back? All of them are weaker than Raditz...Oh, but there is Namekian here and they have Dragon Balls that can grant wishes"
Vegeta "Fine, just don't kill Namekian, we gonna get immortality"

If Freeza heard that in his scouter, he gets immortal, if not, Saiyans, either way, everone on Earth dies...
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Post by Hellspawn28 » Thu Apr 17, 2025 11:14 am

Peach wrote: Sat Apr 12, 2025 5:34 pm What if Nappa came to Earth instead of Raditz to recruit Goku?
Nappa kills everyone. Fin
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Post by Peach » Thu Apr 17, 2025 5:06 pm

Hellspawn28 wrote: Thu Apr 17, 2025 11:14 am
Peach wrote: Sat Apr 12, 2025 5:34 pm What if Nappa came to Earth instead of Raditz to recruit Goku?
Nappa kills everyone. Fin
Even with the special beam cannon and destro disc? :(

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Post by Hellspawn28 » Thu Apr 17, 2025 9:54 pm

They try to grab on to Nappa's tail and it failed. Nappa would speed blitz everyone and kill every single one of them.
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Post by Hellspawn28 » Wed May 21, 2025 2:07 pm

What if Dr. Gero fought Goku instead #19?
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Post by JulieYBM » Wed May 21, 2025 2:16 pm

Gero would have probably shit-talked Gokuu more, which I think would be fun. Gokuu having to piece together mid-battle who he was fighting while also suffering from his ailing heart could lead to some cool character beats, especially if there were some previously 'unseen' flashbacks to Gokuu meeting Gero during the Red Ribbon Army arc.
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Post by Hellspawn28 » Wed May 21, 2025 4:36 pm

If Vegeta kills Gero, I'm not sure if #19 would have run back to Gero's lab or not?
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Post by JulieYBM » Wed May 21, 2025 5:50 pm

Vegeta kills Gero and #19, which leads to a confrontation between Vegeta and Piccolo, because the former is being an asshole and Piccolo decides to take him down a peg. The two fight and are evenly matched, because that's more interesting, and a few weeks pass before Cell's presence is noticed.
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Post by Jack Bz » Thu May 22, 2025 9:48 am

What if Babidi actually managed to fully control Vegeta?

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Post by JulieYBM » Thu May 22, 2025 11:28 am

Jack Bz wrote: Thu May 22, 2025 9:48 am What if Babidi actually managed to fully control Vegeta?
Gokuu kills Vegeta quickly because of how disgusted he knows Vegeta would be and Majin Buu is prevented from being revived. Vegeta is revived with the Dragon Balls and is so ashamed by his lack of spiritual control that his personality and training methods change and he becomes more laidback and emotionally mature.
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Post by Hellspawn28 » Thu May 22, 2025 1:43 pm

Vegeta was already brought back with Earth's Dragon Balls. They would use the ones on Namek, and they may not agree with it given how they remember how Vegeta killed many of their own people.
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Post by JulieYBM » Thu May 22, 2025 1:52 pm

They can do whatever they want to tell whatever story they want, people just have to make a decision. Shrug.
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SonTao wrote: Wed Mar 19, 2025 3:47 pm
Yuji wrote: Tue Mar 11, 2025 8:57 am What if Vegeta didn't kill Nappa?

Scenario 1: Vegeta leaves Nappa on the battlefield. Does Kuririn kill him or does Goku let him heal?

Scenario 2: Vegeta calls Nappa's pod before fighting Goku and Nappa is sent off to a Freeza planet for healing
S1: It's likely Goku lets Nappa heal, but sends Nappa after Vegeta. Leads into Scenario 2.

Despite who lands first, Vegeta and Nappa are placed into healing pods. This would, afterward, lead into Nappa departing for Namek first prior to Vegeta. He'd totally be pissed about Vegeta trying to kill him--and he'd jump at the chance to get a small head start ahead of Vegeta. Though, if Vegeta called Nappa's pod, Nappa would wait for Vegeta. Now we branch out to two scenarios.

S1: Nappa lands on Namek first, and kinda goes about Vegeta's original business. Though, he has to avoid Cui. His zenkai boost wouldn't get him up enough to rival Cui or Vegeta, so Nappa has to continue being sneaky as he sleuths about and gathers a Dragon Ball or two. The rest of the Namek Saga goes as it does normally until Nappa comes across the group earlier than normal with the intent to kill them and take their Dragon Ball. Yes he can sense ki. If Vegeta learned it, he can too. But, Gohan and Krillin convince Nappa to work with them as they have the Dragon Radar, only Bulma can repair it, and she wouldn't fix it if it broke or if Nappa killed Gohan and Krillin. Nappa agrees, and the group fly about gathering Dragon Balls. Vegeta kills Zarbon, Gohan and co. go to Guru's, and Gohan has his power awakened by Krillin behind Nappa's back in order to get the brute off their back. None of this matters as the Ginyu Force shows up, and the gang has to work together. With an extra group member, one may think the Ginyu Force fights change! Sike, nope. The Recoome and Guldo fights go as normal, with the exception of Nappa laying in to give some assistance. Goku shows up and cleans house. Nappa and Vegeta acquire zenkai boosts, and Nappa is probably around Saiyan Saga Vegeta level by now, or maybe a bit tougher. As Ginyu and Jeice return, Vegeta departs in order to go dick around as per usual. Nappa sticks around though in order to help Goku, specifically because he hates Vegeta, and hates Goku a smidge less.
Nappa warns Goku of Ginyu's body swap abilities, meaning despite Nappa's low level of strength relative to the other combatants, Goku manages to put Ginyu and Jeice into the dirt--leaving them ALIVE. Nappa attempts to kill the two, but Goku can stop him if he tries. With those two knocked out, Goku and Nappa regroup with Krillin and Gohan--alongside Vegeta, whom was hiding to take the Dragon Balls. Vegeta joins the crew as per usual in order to beat Frieza. Buuuut, one problem. Everyone is awake, Goku won't be getting a Zenkai. The gang receives word from Dende about the password. Piccolo is revived but not brought to Namek as the group rightly asserts, especially with a healthy Goku, that Piccolo would be in more danger. Chiaotzu is revived, and as the wish to make Vegeta immortal is proposed, Guru passes away. As this happens earlier than usual, hours earlier, Goku and co are given time to prepare. Nappa and Vegeta don't come to a resolution, but Nappa does decide to prepare with Goku and the others, doing a little bit more training. Even if not a lot, warming up is still a good idea. Nappa asserts his truce with the Dragon Team at the moment, as he gets along a bit better with Goku than Vegeta. As Frieza arrives, the gang lets Vegeta do his thing until Frieza transforms into his second form. Then it's a problem. With no senzu beans and no Piccolo, the gang is kinda cooked unless Nappa and Vegeta can stall for Goku to be healed by a pod. If not... dead. Super dead. Turbo dead, even. Timeline is doomed. So, the world is doomed because Nappa led to Goku being around and they assumed he'd be enough to beat Frieza. Womp womp.

S2: If Vegeta called for Nappa's pod, Nappa is still loyal to Vegeta! He's bros with the Prince still, Vegeta showed that he cared about him! So when Nappa and Vegeta are done healing, Vegeta takes Nappa with him to Namek, and pretty much most of the Namek Saga goes the same, but Nappa is at Vegeta's side! He has a zenkaiv, he's helping Vegeta in fights, he's just having a swell time. When Goku combats Ginyu and most of that goes as per normal, Nappa and Vegeta make one big complication. Nappa stays AWAKE while Vegeta takes a nap. So, reviving Piccolo is... convoluted. Krillin Solar Flares the shit out of Nappa, and they wish Piccolo back to life and back to Namek. Piccolo does his usual fusing with Nail off out there, whereas Nappa and Vegeta group up to lay the smackdown on Krillin, Gohan and Dense. Spoiler, Frieza shows up. The fight pretty much goes the same up until the Third Form Frieza fight, wherein Nappa and Vegeta jump in to assault Frieza despite their weakness, and use Krillin for Zenkais. Eventually, Frieza ascends to his final form and kills Dende, proceeding to jump Vegeta--but Nappa does try to shove him back. Albeit to no avail. When Vegeta is laid out and Nappa is next on the chopping block, Goku arrives. Frieza kills Vegeta. Now comes a divergence!

Nappa could go Super Saiyan. His charge, the boy he cared for his entire life, was dead. He was the closest thing Nappa had to a son, despite their differences occasionally. This is a big IF, but it's possible. Nappa transforms into a Super Saiyan, and begins his assault on Frieza. Despite his power, it won't be enough. Assuming he makes it to 24k or around Zarbon's level (he'd likely be above there by now, but still) he still wouldn't be strong enough to fight Frieza alone. Goku joins in of course, but the two aren't enough. Eventually, Nappa powers down, leaving Goku alone to fight Frieza. Goku is a lot better off here though, as with a weaker Frieza, Piccolo and Goku have an easier time making the Spirit Bomb to knock him down. Even if it doesn't kill Frieza, Goku would still go Super Saiyan himself, and kill the Frost Demon. With Frieza defeated earlier, the Dragon Balls are used to wish everyone back to Earth.

If Nappa doesn't go SSJ, the saga ends as per normal, albeit Nappa helped hold Frieza off. Main difference being Goku wouldn't have gone to Yardrat if Nappa went SSJ. From here, things are a bit odd.

Goku is a Super Saiyan. In the scenario where Nappa went SSJ, Nappa trains with Goku to hone Super Saiyan. Vegeta, disgusted, decides to leave Earth for an indeterminate period of time in the gravity ship. Regardless of scenario, he wants Super Saiyan, and wants it BAD. Nappa can't follow in either scenario due to Vegeta's pride. Trunks is still born, Nappa has a garden, yahoo. Future Trunks shows up and kills Mecha Frieza dead if he does show up. In the SSJ Nappa early timeline, Trunks just gives Goku the heart medication, offers to spar, then leaves. The 3 Years of Training is the same, and this is where timelines mostly merge with the exception of Instant Transmission not being a thing. The Androids show up, and despite Goku being weakened by the heart virus, Nappa overpowers the 19 before Vegeta even arrives. Vegeta pulls up, Gero panics, and the group chases him down to his lab. Trunks shows up to find the Z Fighters with kicked asses via the Androids. After regrouping, Cell makes himself known and Piccolo fuses with Kami to combat the Android. From here, the timeline is normal up until the HTC groups, which now involve Nappa training with Piccolo considering the other two saiyans are with their kids--meaning Nappa and Piccolo are stronger than in canon (well, Piccolo specifically). The Cell Juniors are a bit less of a problem later, and Cell goes down a smidge faster due to Nappa's assistance. SSJ2 Gohan is a thing. BUT. Now we split again.

SSJ Nappa on Namek Timeline: NO IT! Gohan needs to find a solution to kill Cell! Nappa suggests, well... a punch and kick might blow Cell up via pressure. Why not just... vaporize him.

It's stupid. But worth a shot. The entire gang fires off a massive energy wave, and erase Cell. Goku lives! Yay!

In the regular timeline, Goku still sacrifices himself.
If Nappa had reached SSJ, his PL should be fairly close to Goku's. One doesn't reach SSJ if he isn't at (or very close to) the limit of his base state, so 24K Nappa achieving it is 100% imposible.
Now, that being said, Nappa was a much worse fighter than Vegeta besides being weaker, so maybe his SSJ would've been a bit weaker than Goku's at Namek despite his base state limit probably being twice as Goku's or more.

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Post by Almighty Majin » Thu Jul 10, 2025 7:57 pm

What if Goku dedicated some time to come up with a new technique during the 5 years before the arrival of Raditz? Piccolo spent those 5 years to come up with the Makankosappo to kill Goku. What if Goku decided to also invent a new technique in preparation to defeat Piccolo or if someone stronger came along? What kind of technique do you think Goku would come up with based on what he has learned so far? How do you think it would change the fight with Raditz or the whole series going onward? This is a more open-ended and creative scenario.

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Post by JulieYBM » Thu Jul 10, 2025 8:35 pm

Almighty Majin wrote: Thu Jul 10, 2025 7:57 pm What if Goku dedicated some time to come up with a new technique during the 5 years before the arrival of Raditz? Piccolo spent those 5 years to come up with the Makankosappo to kill Goku. What if Goku decided to also invent a new technique in preparation to defeat Piccolo or if someone stronger came along? What kind of technique do you think Goku would come up with based on what he has learned so far? How do you think it would change the fight with Raditz or the whole series going onward? This is a more open-ended and creative scenario.
If Gokuu was wont to creating a technique to defeat Piccolo without killing him—and thus God, too—he would need a technique that could neutralize him. Obviously, a technique to neutralize someone would have also clearly been a help in the battle with Raditz, given that Gokuu needed to somehow hold him steady—i.e. neutralize him—such that Piccolo could then finish him off. There's definitely an overlap in purpose there, right?

So, now I'm currently wondering, how could Gokuu exploit a weakness in Piccolo? That would be the basis of said technique, after all. What were Piccolo's weaknesses, or than killing God would thus kill him, too? I'm not really sure.

That beckons the question, what were Piccolo's strengths? Well, throughout both of his battles with Gokuu, he seemed really fond of unleashing big, city-destroying ki bombs. We saw not just the capitol city be turned into a wasteland, but Papaya Island—how the fuck did I remember that name? lol—too.

So, Piccolo's big plays are his giant ki bombs, right? He can also stretch his limbs, of course, and there's inherent weakness in that, too. What Gokuu needs, then, is a technique that can neutralize those big ki bombs. Of course, that makes one wonder, are such big displays of ki not exhausting? After all, we see in the panels that it seems like each unleashed attack takes quite a bit of strain for Piccolo to round up the ki necessary. Nuking a big area at that point in the series would surely take up a lot of ki, even if the Muten Roushi—exhausting his ki reserves—was able to turn the moon into dust.

So, I think it makes sense that Gokuu either wants a technique that prevents his opponent from unleashing a great deal of ki or a technique that could protect the surrounding area, while also forcing Piccolo to make that big, exhausting display of power and thus rendering him exhausted for little payoff.

A common technique used in a lot of shows and movies is basically just hitting pressure points to disable a foe temporily. This makes me wonder, what if Gokuu simply did something like that? Would it prevent Piccolo from unleashing his big ki blasts? Would it neutralize the ki? Is ki about raw reserves or is it about making the most due with a small amount of ki through skill and spirit control? I feel like the use of skill to do big things with little ki is a common trope in martial arts stuff, so I think that would actually be a good assumption to make.

So, okay, Gokuu develops a way to not only use pressure points to block a foe from unleashing a ton of ki, but also have that large amount of ki be expelled safely, without causing harm and also wasting the foe's ki reserves.

So, basically, let's just pretend that Gokuu infuses ki into his fists and punches Raditz in a few spots. Raditz—who doesn't have proper martial arts training—is even more susceptible to the technique than Piccolo would be. I think that this would work for both Nappa, Freeza and his forces, and then that would be it. Vegeta, I feel, would adapt quickly in their first fight—he just feels like the sort of character who would—then by the end of the series, I doubt it would work on the Artificial Humans and anyone onward.

Hell, maybe it could even be an upgraded version of the Jan-ken?
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Re: The All-Purpose "What-If " Thread

Post by Almighty Majin » Thu Jul 10, 2025 9:43 pm

JulieYBM wrote: Thu Jul 10, 2025 8:35 pm A common technique used in a lot of shows and movies is basically just hitting pressure points to disable a foe temporily. This makes me wonder, what if Gokuu simply did something like that? Would it prevent Piccolo from unleashing his big ki blasts? Would it neutralize the ki? Is ki about raw reserves or is it about making the most due with a small amount of ki through skill and spirit control? I feel like the use of skill to do big things with little ki is a common trope in martial arts stuff, so I think that would actually be a good assumption to make.

So, okay, Gokuu develops a way to not only use pressure points to block a foe from unleashing a ton of ki, but also have that large amount of ki be expelled safely, without causing harm and also wasting the foe's ki reserves.

So, basically, let's just pretend that Gokuu infuses ki into his fists and punches Raditz in a few spots. Raditz—who doesn't have proper martial arts training—is even more susceptible to the technique than Piccolo would be. I think that this would work for both Nappa, Freeza and his forces, and then that would be it. Vegeta, I feel, would adapt quickly in their first fight—he just feels like the sort of character who would—then by the end of the series, I doubt it would work on the Artificial Humans and anyone onward.

Hell, maybe it could even be an upgraded version of the Jan-ken?
I like this idea! It sort of reminds me of the chi-blocking techniques and energy bending shown off in Avatar: The Last Airbender and later in Legend of Korra. Both of those abilities function in the way that you described and having Goku develop a sort of technique like that would be really cool and would provide a solution to battles that is not just rooted in raw power.

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