"Dragon Ball Super (Manga)" Official Discussion Thread

[Vegard Aune]

Yeah honestly, if Toyotaro himself has openly come out and said "It's not up to me", I... don't know if there's much hope. The most we can probably do at that point is either write to Shueisha themselves (difficult if you don't speak Japanese of course), or express to our local publishers and hope they can pass on to Shueisha that there's still a demand.

Or just hope that they decide at some point that "It's been long enough, time to see if we can get the money train running again."

[JulieYBM]

The issue with the manga probably lies on the fact that Iyoku Akio probably wants control over it if he is going to give Shueisha the blessing of the Toriyama estate. We don't know how Toriyama's wife and kids feel about the subject either, or what role they're playing at all. There's so many parties to consider and I don't think Shueisha or Toei want to step on the toes of Iyoku and the Toriyama estate, legally-speaking, by trying to just continue with new projects without them.

Eh, it'll resolve itself eventually.

[Vegeta th3 4th]

Yeah honestly, if Toyotaro himself has openly come out and said "It's not up to me", I... don't know if there's much hope.

I've been under the impression that everyone involved was just trying to figure out how to move on without Toriyama, but that doesn't seem to be the case, at least if these translations are accurate. My take away from them is that they're basically telling us indirectly that Super is finished. Toriyama has spent over a decade working on Super, starting all the way back in 2011 when he was first approached about Battle of Gods, so it would be very unfortunate, maybe even disrespectful, for them to just leave it hanging due to his passing. Why not give it one final arc or movie to tie things up properly ?

[Skar]

If nothing is announced by the end of the year, then it may be time to accept that Super will remain incomplete.

Are there any other manga titles that came back after a long hiatus? I can only think of Berserk right now after the original author passed away. There's still a chance someday that Toyotaro gets to finish it.

This is why I think fans should be cautious making definitive sounding predictions about what's going to happen in the franchise since we really don't have any idea. Kanzenshuu is known for being the most reliable DB site reporting from only verified sources so I just think the forum should do the same. It's ok to make predictions but to make it clear they're only predictions not based on anything confirmed.

[Trouser]

The best part of it is that it's officially confirmed that "canon" does not exist.

[Koitsukai]

It sure is telling that the manga went on hiatus mid 2022 with the release of the SH movie and Akira chan passed away almost 2 years later.

Blaming the hiatus on Tori's demise makes no sense, it was halted way before that sad event.

My guess is at best, someday we'll get a movie that deals with Freezas' returns(probably with his black form as the movie's big reveal and UI Goku as the one that takes care of him)

[Vegeta th3 4th]

It sure is telling that the manga went on hiatus mid 2022 with the release of the SH movie and Akira chan passed away almost 2 years later.

Blaming the hiatus on Tori's demise makes no sense, it was halted way before that sad event.

The manga went on hiatus last year. The Superhero movie was released in June of 2022, while the Granola arc concluded two months later in August of that year. The manga then took a 3 month break, but returned in December of 2022 to adapt the Superhero movie, which lasted all the way up to the month Toriyama passed away on in March of last year. Rumor has it that the reason the adaption was so long was to give Toriyama time to rest and recover, but he unfortunately didn't make it.

My guess is at best, someday we'll get a movie that deals with Freezas' returns(probably with his black form as the movie's big reveal and UI Goku as the one that takes care of him)

Iyoko said back before Superhero released that he was already talking to Toriyama about the next movie, but we don't know if any script was written or if any deal to produce it was signed. Toriyama's family said in their statement regarding his passing that he was working on multiple projects, so we know for a fact that he planned on continuing Dragon Ball beyond what we currently have. I believe that the best way he can be honored is for the people he worked with to come together and produce one last movie or manga arc that wraps up whatever loose ends he left behind.

[sangofe]

Having read the interviews with Toyotarou from French media I'm confident Dragon Ball will continue. Just not under what name or when. It does seem like Toyotarou indeed is working on another manga with Torishima. We might know in a few hours.

[Mr Baggins]

Torishima: “What did you want to do with these 45 pages?”
Toyotaro: “I really like to make action scenes so I tried building a story around that.”
Torishima: “That’s a problem, 45 pages is too long. This is three chapters of DB. How long did it take?”
Toyotaro: “I wanted to add so much more…”

https://x.com/vondbz2/status/1941827945 ... DK89Q&s=19

This exchange is so funny to me because I've literally been saying that about Toyotaro's work for years now lmao

Also the report from last month was true, Toyotaro made an original manga and that's what was announced/discussed at the panel (but the caveat is that it's a one-shot...)

[Vegeta th3 4th]

he report from last month was true, Toyotaro made an original manga and that's what was announced/discussed at the panel (but the caveat is that it's a one-shot...)

Dragon Ball, Naruto, and One Piece, began as one shots before becoming weekly serialized series, so this could be the beginning of something long running if it's received well. As for the exchange between him and Torishima, it perfectly captures everything wrong with modern DB. Back in the day, the story came first, while the fights were written around it, but now that's the opposite. More often than not, modern DB was just mindless action with little to no story substance to hold it together. The fights should serve the story, not the other way around. Battle of Gods understood this perfectly, but for some reason everything after that completely missed the point.

[Vegeta th3 4th]

Here's the conversation between Toyotaro and Torishima:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0nFnBg5 ... ToonRaider

Torishima does not hold back at all. He's very critical (in a constructive way of course) of both Toyotaro and his editor for all the mistakes they made in this one shot. You can tell this guy really cares about the quality of the work that's put on the market and does not accept any corner cutting.

Dragon Ball owes its success to Torishima (as well as the other two editors) just as much as it does to Toriyama. Torishima was basically the quality control of Dragon Ball back in the day, which is something modern Dragon Ball has been severely lacking. What we got in this modern era starting in 2008 would not have gotten approved by him, at all, none of it.

[sangofe]

Here's the conversation between Toyotaro and Torishima:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0nFnBg5 ... ToonRaider

Torishima does not hold back at all. He's very critical (in a constructive way of course) of both Toyotaro and his editor for all the mistakes they made in this one shot. You can tell this guy really cares about the quality of the work that's put on the market and does not accept any corner cutting.

Dragon Ball owes its success to Torishima (as well as the other two editors) just as much as it does to Toriyama. Torishima was basically the quality control of Dragon Ball back in the day, which is something modern Dragon Ball has been severely lacking. What we got in this modern era starting in 2008 would not have gotten approved by him, at all, none of it.

Why are you linking to a YouTube video that films the Twitter posts von made instead of the original post? That makes no sence.

[Vegeta th3 4th]

Why are you linking to a YouTube video that films the Twitter posts von made instead of the original post? That makes no sence.

I don't have a twitter account, so I can't access it directly.

[sangofe]

https://x.com/cliffeur/status/1944309326728114301

Dragon Ball Super manga isn't returning in 2025 according to this fan who spoke to him. He did tell the fan to be patient though. Picture and story in the link.

[omaro34]

https://x.com/cliffeur/status/1944309326728114301

Dragon Ball Super manga isn't returning in 2025 according to this fan who spoke to him. He did tell the fan to be patient though. Picture and story in the link.

It’s already been so long since the Super Anime ended, at this point I don’t think it will come back on the air. As the years go by the beloved voice actors are getting older too.

Taking such a long hiatus with the manga means people lose interest and even forget aspects of the story. Evident with how often I post now, there’s been so little news outside of Daima people tend to move on.

I also gave up on the story ever covering events post 28th world martial arts tournament.

Damn, rest in peace Akira Toriyama.

[Vegeta th3 4th]

https://x.com/cliffeur/status/1944309326728114301

Dragon Ball Super manga isn't returning in 2025 according to this fan who spoke to him. He did tell the fan to be patient though. Picture and story in the link.

This is probably not what fans of the manga wanted to hear, but it's not bad news either, as it strongly implies that there is a desire to bring it back. He also said it wouldn't return in 2025, not that its return would be announced this year. I still think there's a chance something gets said at this year's Jump Festa now that Daima is over.

[Xeogran]

I also gave up on the story ever covering events post 28th world martial arts tournament.

Well, it already did, and with Akira Toriyama's involvement in it too. Now it would be with absolutely 0% of it.

[JulieYBM]

Plenty of anime come back after many years between series for a contonuation using the remaining original cast members. Dragon Ball Super will not be an exception.

[DBZ Macky]

It’s already been so long since the Super Anime ended, at this point I don’t think it will come back on the air. As the years go by the beloved voice actors are getting older too.

Taking such a long hiatus with the manga means people lose interest and even forget aspects of the story. Evident with how often I post now, there’s been so little news outside of Daima people tend to move on.

I know many people on this forum don't really care about the power-scaling stuff as others but hearing this news makes me think even more so that the Anime ending with Goku surpassing Jiren (and by extension Beerus) made the ToP ending better and more climactic compared to the Manga making Beerus a moving goalpost and making it so that Goku doesn't actually master Ultra Instinct till the end of the Granolah arc.

As much as I'd like the Anime to return, I can at least be glad that it ended on a high note as compared to the Manga which still has the loose thread of Black Freeza.

[SupremeKai25]

It’s already been so long since the Super Anime ended, at this point I don’t think it will come back on the air. As the years go by the beloved voice actors are getting older too.

Taking such a long hiatus with the manga means people lose interest and even forget aspects of the story. Evident with how often I post now, there’s been so little news outside of Daima people tend to move on.

I know many people on this forum don't really care about the power-scaling stuff as others but hearing this news makes me think even more so that the Anime ending with Goku surpassing Jiren (and by extension Beerus) made the ToP ending better and more climactic compared to the Manga making Beerus a moving goalpost and making it so that Goku doesn't actually master Ultra Instinct till the end of the Granolah arc.

As much as I'd like the Anime to return, I can at least be glad that it ended on a high note as compared to the Manga which still has the loose thread of Black Freeza.

Fully agreed.

The Anime doesn't need the Moro and Granolah arcs to feel "complete." In fact, they would only make the ToP harder to understand, since Toei was pretty clear that UI Goku is meant to have surpassed Beerus, or at least come very, very close to him (unlike in the manga where he's still fodder).

When I think about Super returning, I ask myself:

"Do I need more arcs to enjoy the anime? Does the ending of 131 feel incomplete? Am I left craving for more answers to questions?"

My answer to all these is: NOPE!

Episode 131 feels conclusive enough for the anime, so it doesn't "need" to return. It might, and I would welcome it of course, but it certainly doesn't need to return. It feels complete enough as it is.