Why are we still stuck in the "10 years" period?

[Grimlock]

What has Toyotaro said about Dragon Ball Online!?

[Vegeta th3 4th]

What has Toyotaro said about Dragon Ball Online!?

He was asked by a fan last week what he considers to be canon, and he said that it's up to each individual fans to decide that for themselves, and that he considers online as part of his own canon.

[Hellspawn28]

Shueisha seems to view each DB title as their own thing. Whatever happens in one does not always effect the other.

[dbs fanboy]

I believe that the issue probably falls on Toriyama and the others having a pretty narrow minded view of what could conceivably be a good type of Dragon Ball story. The idea of showing the characters changing and aging seems to scare them. I think that it's pretty short-sighted, especially since they want to also not really developed characters too much or give them serious scenes.

It's a shame, I would have loved to see them just ignore the Uub chapters and killed off characters and made new, permanent changes to the status quo. The lack of a firm step is creatively harmful.

What I find weird about this is that Toriyama himself aged Goku up against his editors wishes.

Furthermore, the issue of age is easily fixed, the Saiyan children are young, Goku and Vegeta have a good solid 40 years run before even looking old, Piccolo, Boo and the Androids look the same, the human fighters were made irrelevant long time ago.

Besides......dragon balls, which we know in Super Bulma uses.

[JulieYBM]

I believe that the issue probably falls on Toriyama and the others having a pretty narrow minded view of what could conceivably be a good type of Dragon Ball story. The idea of showing the characters changing and aging seems to scare them. I think that it's pretty short-sighted, especially since they want to also not really developed characters too much or give them serious scenes.

It's a shame, I would have loved to see them just ignore the Uub chapters and killed off characters and made new, permanent changes to the status quo. The lack of a firm step is creatively harmful.

What I find weird about this is that Toriyama himself aged Goku up against his editors wishes.

Furthermore, the issue of age is easily fixed, the Saiyan children are young, Goku and Vegeta have a good solid 40 years run before even looking old, Piccolo, Boo and the Androids look the same, the human fighters were made irrelevant long time ago.

Besides......dragon balls, which we know in Super Bulma uses.

Yeah, there's a milliom ways to go about solving any issues they might have...they just aren't doing them. It's really weird.

[Vegeta th3 4th]

Shueisha seems to view each DB title as their own thing. Whatever happens in one does not always effect the other.

This way of doing thing has its advantages, as it doesn't limit what one show can do as a result of something happening in another. Super as a whole wouldn't be able to happen if it had to line up with GT, nor would Daima if it had to line up with Super. The issue is, it makes everything feel kind of pointless in the grand scheme of things, as nothing really matters (outside the original manga) when one show ends and another begins. Once, or if, Super is allowed to wrap up properly, I'd love to see them try to tie these three series, as well as the old movies together.

[Koitsukai]

If Daima had been the standalone story that went past EoZ I would've been greatly satisfied. As it is, without including the god forms and all of that. The daimakai is weird and ancient enough to justify those forms being locked or something, and SS4 being introduced AFTER DBS would also be a cool thing.
Maybe, the hybrids would need more screentime since they'd be not-babies, but Gohan should've been a baby and was still out.

[JulieYBM]

I doubt that there would be more of Goten and Trunks. Toriyama seemed wholly undisinterested in writing them and the other production committee members seemed disinterested in asking him to include more for them to do.

[Basaku]

I doubt that there would be more of Goten and Trunks. Toriyama seemed wholly undisinterested in writing them and the other production committee members seemed disinterested in asking him to include more for them to do.

Pretty much. Toyo is like the first person in 30 years among all the people involved in DB to be actually interested in writing for Present!Trunks and Goten

[Vegeta th3 4th]

I doubt that there would be more of Goten and Trunks. Toriyama seemed wholly undisinterested in writing them and the other production committee members seemed disinterested in asking him to include more for them to do.

Pretty much. Toyo is like the first person in 30 years among all the people involved in DB to be actually interested in writing for Present!Trunks and Goten

I think the biggest issue facing Goten and Trunks is the screen time it would take away from Goku and Vegeta in order to properly develop them. We had to wait nearly a decade to finally get a story focused on Gohan and Piccolo, who are far more popular then Goten and Trunks.

[JulieYBM]

I doubt that there would be more of Goten and Trunks. Toriyama seemed wholly undisinterested in writing them and the other production committee members seemed disinterested in asking him to include more for them to do.

Pretty much. Toyo is like the first person in 30 years among all the people involved in DB to be actually interested in writing for Present!Trunks and Goten

Yeah, exactly. While I don't think that it's perfect, he's at least trying something and I want to encourage more of that, even if he's simply taking two young people and combining them with the modern superhero craze.

[bahhma]

I have no problem at all being stuck in the ten-year post Boo period (though I would like too see stories that take place after 28th Tenkaichi Budōkai as well).

But please, no more high-stakes, earth-threatening, new-form-needing plots. I want to see more slice-of-life Dragon Ball: Gohan resuming his studies, getting ready to marry Videl, Goku and Satan being bored, Goten trying to get dates, family-man Vegeta, Trunks trying to be a normal kid, etc.

[Vegeta th3 4th]

But please, no more high-stakes, earth-threatening, new-form-needing plots. I want to see more slice-of-life Dragon Ball: Gohan resuming his studies, getting ready to marry Videl, Goku and Satan being bored, Goten trying to get dates, family-man Vegeta, Trunks trying to be a normal kid, etc.

I think you need a balance; you can't do slice of life all the time, but all fighting without a break is also too much. What I like about a lot of the filler from the classic series is it provided the audience with a break to catch their breath before the next big thing.

[Grimlock]

He was asked by a fan last week what he considers to be canon, and he said that it's up to each individual fans to decide that for themselves,

People still bother them with such asinine questions about canonicity in a franchise that does not have it? It's 2025... And how did Toyotaro (or any powers-that-be, for that matter) could answer that question when they don't have the concept of "canon"? That being said...

and that he considers online as part of his own canon.

... Is this the man that is going to save the series from mediocrity? Dimps saved the horrible state of the games by using Dragon Ball Online content and even inspired another developer to come up with an original story for a game. Now, if only there was someone who could do the same for the series as well. That is very good to know, and hopefully no one stops Toyotaro if he ever decides to use Dragon Ball Online content moving forward. As it should have already happened years ago.

[Vegeta th3 4th]

Hopefully no one stops Toyotaro if he ever decides to use Dragon Ball Online content moving forward. As it should have already happened years ago.

I don't know the inner workings of things over at Shueisha, but I don't think he'll have much say, if any, over the franchise's future. He's basically an employee like everyone else, so he'll have to follow whichever direction the suits think is best for the franchise. By best, I mean playing everything extremely safe and doing absolutely nothing new. Toriyama was the only one with veto power, and he's unfortunately gone now. Even with Toriyama around to guide the franchise, they were very hesitant to step out of their comfort zone, so I can't imagine how things will be once they decide to move forward.

[Dragon Ball Ireland]

But please, no more high-stakes, earth-threatening, new-form-needing plots. I want to see more slice-of-life Dragon Ball: Gohan resuming his studies, getting ready to marry Videl, Goku and Satan being bored, Goten trying to get dates, family-man Vegeta, Trunks trying to be a normal kid, etc.

I think you need a balance; you can't do slice of life all the time, but all fighting without a break is also too much. What I like about a lot of the filler from the classic series is it provided the audience with a break to catch their breath before the next big thing.

A Dragon Ball slice-of-life anime would be amazing and perfect for this "10 years of peace".

I like the fighting as much as the next person, but we've had plenty of it throughout the series. I'd argue a Dragon Ball slice-of-life show would be refreshing as it would be a genuinely new concept for a series.

As the slice-of-life content was some of the best material Super had to offer I think the original series, Z and GT would have benefitted from more of it.

[Vegeta th3 4th]

A Dragon Ball slice-of-life anime would be amazing and perfect for this "10 years of peace".

You might be able to get away with a limited 13 episode series, but not much more than that.

[Hellspawn28]

Dragon Ball doesn't work well as a slice of life series. An episode like the driving test episode is one thing, but a series like DB does need fighting.

[JulieYBM]

Everything is a tool, so I would definitely be happy to see a heavier dose of stories that focus on character development and exploration than episode-after-episode where the only tool being used to tell a story or character arc is to have someone get punched.

Unless it's someone getting punched in the balls again, that shit's fire.

[SHINOBI-03]

I doubt that there would be more of Goten and Trunks. Toriyama seemed wholly undisinterested in writing them and the other production committee members seemed disinterested in asking him to include more for them to do.

Pretty much. Toyo is like the first person in 30 years among all the people involved in DB to be actually interested in writing for Present!Trunks and Goten

I think the biggest issue facing Goten and Trunks is the screen time it would take away from Goku and Vegeta in order to properly develop them. We had to wait nearly a decade to finally get a story focused on Gohan and Piccolo, who are far more popular then Goten and Trunks.

That's... rather sad when you put it that way.

With Present!Trunks you at least get some of his personality as an individual in the main series proper and GT gave him some spotlight as an adult and even before that he had Movie 13 that puts him more in the center with Tapion.

When I think of Goten...does he even have a personality outside being Trunks' naive little playmate and Fusion Dance partner? I know the fandom talks about characters Toriyama forgot about or neglected but I don't think Goten is brought up when you realize how underdeveloped he is, especially as the second son of the main character.