Which was the better sequel: GT, Super, or Daima ?

[super michael]

Originally it was mention that there was only two android, then there was more that Trunks didn't know. So instead of two android, we got to see five androids and Cell, making it a total of six.
Every new villain that appeared in the Cell Saga, they were stronger than the Saiyans, excluding A19 and Dr Gero.

Cell did keep his existence a secret in the future, making sure no one knows about him. He slowly absorbed people, to increase his powers in secret.

I like that they introduced new villains in the Cell Saga, it was a good surprise.


DBS on the other hand they ruined some characters, by increasing their negative traits to maximum level and ignoring their past growths.
Goku, Chi Chi, Boo, Goten and Trunks they were ruined due to their horrible writing.

[Slangh]

GT had the infamous "GT logic", dumb writing and unused potential both storywise and characterwise. The Baby arc was the best. It was clumsy but I like the mysterious hierarchy that led to Baby. The concept of evil dragons was very welcome since the Dragon Team had gotten used to the Dragon Balls so much and defying death. Unfortunately the Evil Dragon arc suffered the most from the aforementioned shortcomings. Goku was written well. Super Saiyan 4 was an original form with a unique way of achieving it. I like how all users had different colors.

Super was a bloated mess with some good moments and cool concepts. Slice of life stuff was well executed and wholesome. The movie adaptations were terrible. The Super Saiyan God is an amazing concept that puts the whole "power from anger and hate" upside down, along with what the Saiyan race seemed to stand for until then. No, it was connection with others, holiness, that makes one truly powerful. And Goku had to come to terms with that, which was great. Too bad that this form was immediately commodified like all the others, its legendary feeling stripped away. Just another transformation achieved by an individual Saiyan screaming really loud. Same thing for its successor Super Saiyan Blue. Goku was annoying and immature but some part of me says that even he could develop an ego at some point, only caring about fighting and even impressing Vegeta. In fact, he kinda did that in the Kid Buu arc already. Someone on this forum once posted an essay about the Vegetto fusion having this effect on him... Anyway, Super also tried too hard to mimic Z at certain points but without having the emotional payoff. Take Vegeta in the TOP, with his Final Flash and Final Explosion scenes. Both so lame.

Daima was so short but mostly a fun adventure. It was original, covered new lore. It had the same "victory lap" energy as the Super Hero movie. Nothing too serious about it, no extreme dramas. Silly villains, which unfortunately sometimes deflated the tension. Kaioshin really shined in this series. Hybis was hilarious, as were Majin Kuu, Majin Duu, and the dynamic of those latter two with Arinsu. There were fun side characters, like the shopkeepers. Goku was written the way he's supposed to. One of the things that really defines him is his (unconscious) intuition. In Daima this shows through his mispronounciation of Glorio's name, because he felt he was acting shady. Super Saiyan 4 came a bit out of nowhere but was still fun to watch. The worst part for me was the whole Dragon Team struggling with some guys with guns. Come on now...

Hard to tell which one is superior. I watched GT multiple times, the greater part of Super and the whole of Daima recently. Daima shines the most when it comes to animation, by far. It had the nebulous but still relevant Toriyama-factor. That's unfortunately also why it felt a little lazy at times. But it still felt the most Dragon Ball-ish. It's fresh off the presses but right now Daima has my vote, followed by GT, then Super. .

[Rhadon]

I like daima and i think daima is the best thing dragonball produced since Z. its like db dbz and dbgt in 1. i still miss the grittinesess and damage and impact. but gt ssj4 is mileswe better than daimas. i also dont understand this childish round faces and anorexia butit is what it is. it really enhanced dbz imo with the majin stuff and i liked that. but gohan was missing it was only 1 year after Z mystic son gohan was still there . tamagami vs mystic son gohan would have been awesome.

but its the last thing from toriyama, so for me db is over with that. and it should have been since a long time ago. we are simply in the milking phase since a decade like all movies series reboots. nothing more.

[90sDBZ]

It's tough to decide.

GT and Super both have their issues, but also have some great highs.

I still like SS4 more than any of Super's palette swaps, not just in appearance but also how the form is attained. The retellings in Super are pretty hard to sit through, arguably more than GT's Black Star Saga. And Goku actually feels like himself in GT.

On the other hand Super has better fights, and gives characters other than Goku stuff to do. The Black arc in particular is really good, and the ToP is mostly enjoyable too. I loved how Gohan was handled later on (although Super Hero sadly threw all that development out the window). Even though I prefer SS4, Ultra Instinct is still a really cool form, and it's nice to see Kaioken return.

DBS Broly is also an incredibly fun movie, and while Super Hero has its issues it's still pretty good overall.

GT's Baby Saga is actually pretty great, and the Shadow Dragon Saga is underrated. Plus GT's ending actually feels like an ending, although you could argue it's a bit too sad for DB in a similar way to how the Cell Saga would've been. Super generally feels more upbeat, which overall works in its favour despite some weak humour.

I didn't take Daima too seriously and enjoyed it well enough. Ultimately I'd say it's fine, with neither the highs or lows of GT and Super. It felt kind of meh with its exposition at times, but those last few episodes were really fun to watch. It also had the most consistent animation, and the Demon Realm had a unique look to it. The way SS4 was achieved had zero buildup or foreshadowing, and was obviously shoehorned in, but I still enjoyed the hell out of seeing it return.

I think I'll rank it Super>GT>Daima, but it's close, and I might rank GT above Super depending on the day.

[Zebra]

I was least annoyed by Daima, so I pick that.

[Grimlock]

In your opinion, which sequel was a worthy successor to the original manga ? (...) what series did the best job continuing Toriyama's original work.

[Vegeta th3 4th]

In your opinion, which sequel was a worthy successor to the original manga ? (...) what series did the best job continuing Toriyama's original work.

This is such a rich story that it's a shame no one's attempted to adapt it into an anime yet.

[Desassina]

GT is better after Dragon Ball Z, Super is better after Battle of Gods and Resurrection of F, and Daima is kinda like the 10th Anniversary movie Path to Power, which had the production values of GT to tell a Dragon Ball story, and the end result has an alternate history placement in the timeline.

[Basaku]

Ehhh IDK.... All 3 have major flaws and don't come close to the level of storytelling in the original manga and even Toei's own original creations (Bardock special). I guess Super but only because it had the time to develop the most good stuff versus much shorter GT and Daima. Plus it has my favourite Goten so yeah, I'm biased

[Von]

I came here to say "DBO, duh", but since someone else already said it, I guess I have to go with Neko Majin.

(I'm a contrarian)

(out of the 3 I prefer rewatching GT, then Daima, then Super)

[SelfTrainedNamekian]

Dragon Ball Daima just concluded its short run in Japan, which also (as of now) concludes Toriyama's journey with the franchise. Toriyama's original Dragon Ball story that concluded back in 1995 (or 1996 for the anime) now has three sequels: GT, Super, and now Daima. In your opinion, which sequel was a worthy successor to the original manga ? Please note that this has nothing to do with "canon", but rather what series did the best job continuing Toriyama's original work.

super, by far. super may had bad animation at times but it did introdoce some of the greatest characters like hit, frost, cabba, toppo,jiren,dyspo. gods of destruction, angels. god forms. UI. etc. gt just rehashed ideas and daima was overall a huge letdown

[PhantomSaiyan]

super, by far. super may had bad animation at times but it did introdoce some of the greatest characters like hit, frost, cabba, toppo,jiren,dyspo. gods of destruction, angels. god forms. UI. etc. gt just rehashed ideas and daima was overall a huge letdown

Out of those characters I'd only save Hit tbh, rest of them I could take or leave.

If anything I'd say Beerus and Whis are the best Super additions, but then again they debuted in Z movies so idek if I can say that.
Out of Super only characters I also like the new version of Broly a lot.

Super Saiyan God, UI, and the whole concept of Gods and Angels are pretty cool too.

[GokuHater]

I really don't think Dyspo, Toppo or Jiren are great, nor even good characters.
If a whole concept of a character is "he loves justice, then he doesn't love justice" or a backstory is "an evildoer killed his family" then you can really do better as a writer

[Yuji]

I really don't think Dyspo, Toppo or Jiren are great, nor even good characters.
If a whole concept of a character is "he loves justice, then he doesn't love justice" or a backstory is "an evildoer killed his family" then you can really do better as a writer

Obviously they have pretty simple and linear character arcs, but Toppo's is about sacrificing his ideals in order to live up to his potential; and Jiren's arc is meant to reflect the power of teamwork and trust of the U7 cast. It's not really as braindead as you're making it out to be. They work fine for the story being told, as they complement the themes and arcs of our main characters.

[JulieYBM]

Yeah, the Jiren hate has never really clicked with him. While I think that framing him as the main character of the Tournament of Power from the beginning would have been a good idea to better explore his character, he does have an arc at play. He's broken and it's left him with a flaw that his foes can exploit.

[Zephyr]

Jiren's arc is meant to reflect the power of teamwork and trust of the U7 cast.

Not only that, but the stuff about teamwork is also related to an ongoing conversation he and Goku have throughout the tournament about strength, the point of it, why one pursues it, etc. Which is a pretty solid thing to meditate on in a story about strength cultivation, I think.

[SupremeKai25]

I really don't think Dyspo, Toppo or Jiren are great, nor even good characters.
If a whole concept of a character is "he loves justice, then he doesn't love justice" or a backstory is "an evildoer killed his family" then you can really do better as a writer

There's more to Jiren's backstory and you know it. The demon didn't just kill his family, he also killed his master and broke his hope. As a result Jiren, like an inverse Goku, does not believe in anyone but himself and seeks to reach victory through his strength alone rather than teamwork and relying on the help of others.

Jiren is in fact the perfect antagonist to Goku because he thinks he doesn't need anyone but himself to improve while Goku is humble and knows he needs to find out more fighters and teachers to improve himself.

The fact that Jiren was not defeated by Ultra Instinct alone - but by a teamwork of "fodders" and "extras" (17, 4th form Freeza, SSJ1 Goku) who were no match to full power Jiren - completes the arc in a genius way and results in one of the most epic final battles in all of Dragon Ball.

[SelfTrainedNamekian]

I really don't think Dyspo, Toppo or Jiren are great, nor even good characters.
If a whole concept of a character is "he loves justice, then he doesn't love justice" or a backstory is "an evildoer killed his family" then you can really do better as a writer

there is a modern mindset among dragon ball writers to focus on gag comedy more because that was toryama's original style. even when it was changed to a serious dark tone up until the buu saga where some of the goofyness of the original dragon ball returned. this is why super have so many goofy moments. and this is also why daima was full of it. daima obviously was written by toryama so its his style all over.

i also think the whole justice nonesense did not fit toppo. a candidate of being a god of destruction need to be more serious. but i dont think anyone can doubt hes a cool character. that episode with him and frieza were some of the best parts of this boring tournmaments.

and i dont hate jiren at all. i think jiren is okay. he suppose to be that huge physical wall. not more then that. his backstory dosent matter

[JulieYBM]

i also think the whole justice nonesense did not fit toppo. a candidate of being a god of destruction need to be more serious. but i dont think anyone can doubt hes a cool character. that episode with him and frieza were some of the best parts of this boring tournmaments.

How is Toppo not serious?

and i dont hate jiren at all. i think jiren is okay. he suppose to be that huge physical wall. not more then that. his backstory dosent matter

Jiren's backstory is one of the reasons he's so cool, let alone the reason why Jiren is such a big 'wall' that only Gokuu's persistance can topple.

[GokuHater]

I think the reason why Toppo and Jiren don't buy me is the delivery - the delivery of characters and also the dialogue.
After all we can say Frieza is a two dimensional 'evil for evil' villain without much backstory and dimensions.

But the reason he works is due to his character, aura, method of speech and even backstory in real life. His cruelty mixed with being actually playfull make him a horrific but somehow convincing creature which we love to hate but also love to watch.

Toppo may have some cool concepts and an idea behind him but he ends in jumping on the arena and shouting 'justice' all the fricking time which isn't at all convincing or subtle for me.
Jiren seems to have a good backstory but it's deliverance shouts lazy do much.
We cannot even get the name of the villain and know nothing about Jiren other than that his family was wiped. So it's all just 'yes, he had a rough time, it was very sad, then got strong, now has trust issues'.
This isn't a character.

If Super actually showed us in a more convincing way how Toppo struggled with his believe in justice, how he decided that this time the goals justify the means, how Jiren is really an anti Goku here and how he slowly little by little realizes that being alone only takes him do far.
I feel we didn't have any explorations with this topics.