Non-thread-worthy discussions

[JulieYBM]

This reminds me of how much I really hate the battle power system and the multipliers for Kaiou-ken and the Super Saiyan forms. It's not wonder Toriyama dropped that shit so fast.

[MasenkoHA]

Alternatively, Babidi measuring Goku's SS transformation as 3000 killis.

Was hoping for another to chime in, but, uh... that isn't exactly a scouter is it?

Bobbidi’s system of measuring power doesn’t get the fandom hot and bothered like the scouters do

[JulieYBM]

Alternatively, Babidi measuring Goku's SS transformation as 3000 killis.

Was hoping for another to chime in, but, uh... that isn't exactly a scouter is it?

Bobbidi’s system of measuring power doesn’t get the fandom hot and bothered like the scouters do

I imagine that this is a due to a mix of there only being, like, two different kiri numbers ever stated and also the Saiyan and Namek arcs being repeated so television in English-speaking territories that they became the only system that really registers as existing in the minds of fans.

I prefer the letter grading system from Yuu Yuu Hakusho, but even that eventually got replaced with a number system once all of the characters became S-class lol

[Koitsukai]

Nah, scouters were more like tiny mobile devices, they were cool looking and came in different colors(like lightsabers). Even in different shapes, like for the Coola Kikosentai, or the newer ones from DBS. They also work like radios and have been key in the development of the Saiyan and Namek arcs.
Babidi's was huge and bulky, like the brick phone from the 90s, it needed to be held with both hands.

Also, one is more suited for combat than the other.

[ZeroNeonix]

I remember Babidi measuring killis, but I don't remember how, unless it was that poker he used to steal ki. I wonder what the conversion rate is between power levels and killis. lol

[Koitsukai]

[Grimlock]

it clearly contradicts not just the many versions of DBS but also the DBO lore which both had input from Toriyama (Though that's an entirely separate discussion)

And one I would like to have. How does Dragon Ball Daima contradict Dragon Ball Online?

[DBZ Macky]

it clearly contradicts not just the many versions of DBS but also the DBO lore which both had input from Toriyama (Though that's an entirely separate discussion)

And one I would like to have. How does Dragon Ball Daima contradict Dragon Ball Online?

No mention of Towa at all, for starters. Also the entire DBO/XV/DBH Demon Realm is completely different but you could make the argument that it's different because Daima's version is set in a different timeframe.

[Grimlock]

No mention of Towa at all, for starters.

I don't see how that's contradictory. It's vastly disappointing (and one of Dragon Ball Daima's biggest mistakes), for sure, but not a contradiction. Remember, lack of evidence is not evidence.

Also the entire DBO/XV/DBH Demon Realm is completely different but you could make the argument that it's different because Daima's version is set in a different timeframe.

Dragon Ball Online (and Dragon Ball Xenoverse) doesn't depict the Demon Realm, so no contradiction there either. And I would argue it doesn't contradict Dragon Ball Heroes too because Dragon Ball Daima didn't show the whole place, only parts of it.

[Basaku]

The whole canon/contradictions debate is kinda whatever to me. I just think Toyo gave a politically-safe answer that on a deeper look simply makes no sense and he himself knows it. Everything being canon is an oxymoron in a franchise that literally retells the same things in a completly (not just a 'lil bit different) context - like Broly, SSJ4 or the entire early DB (everyone forgot Path to Power movie exists lol)

[JulieYBM]

This isn't worth a new thread or whatevs, but damn girls, Super Saiyan 4 Gokuu looks so hot in Dragon Ball Daima. I wish there was more of a story going on, because that new form deserved so much better.

[QuakingStar]

This isn't worth a new thread or whatevs, but damn girls, Super Saiyan 4 Gokuu looks so hot in Dragon Ball Daima. I wish there was more of a story going on, because that new form deserved so much better.

I have a feeling Super Saiyan 4 is going to return later in DBS. Goku will combine it with Super Saiyan God and then Ultra Instinct probably. Creating Toybles(Toyotaro) Super Saiyan 5 but this time it's canon.

Vegeta will prob do the same thing but with UE instead of UI.

Gohan might be able to go SS4 on top of Beast since Toriyama hinted he would have a further transformation he just didn't know how he would design it.

[JulieYBM]

This isn't worth a new thread or whatevs, but damn girls, Super Saiyan 4 Gokuu looks so hot in Dragon Ball Daima. I wish there was more of a story going on, because that new form deserved so much better.

I have a feeling Super Saiyan 4 is going to return later in DBS. Goku will combine it with Super Saiyan God and then Ultra Instinct probably. Creating Toybles(Toyotaro) Super Saiyan 5 but this time it's canon.

Vegeta will prob do the same thing but with UE instead of UI.

Gohan might be able to go SS4 on top of Beast since Toriyama hinted he would have a further transformation he just didn't know how he would design it.

I very much hope that Super Saiyan 4 returns. Any opportunity to do more with it in a story is welcomed.

[ZeroNeonix]

I can imagine the heart attack Beerus has, seeing Ultra Instinct Super Saiyan 4 Goku, Ultra Ego SSJ4 Vegeta, Beast SSJ4 Gohan, and Legendary SSJ4 Broly.

"I've created monsters. I'm going back to bed."

[QuakingStar]

I can imagine the heart attack Beerus has, seeing Ultra Instinct Super Saiyan 4 Goku, Ultra Ego SSJ4 Vegeta, Beast SSJ4 Gohan, and Legendary SSJ4 Broly.

"I've created monsters. I'm going back to bed."

Yeah and I don't doubt it would go like this... Frieza is going to somehow escape his battle vs the group when they see him again, enter that Time Chamber again and reach his final Evolution: "Noir Frieza" or some shit. This causes Goku to think on what else they could do and he and Vegeta remember "that time Nevas magic gave him a way to access SS4 without naturally having a tail" and they go from there. A simply wish from the dragon balls and bam tails are back. Or Whis does some staff magic shit and brings their tails back.

[Basaku]

I would love if Toyo brought SSJ4 back into Super but I would much, much prefer if it wasn't Gohan, Broly and ESPECIALLY not Goku & Vegeta who would get it. Give it to Goten and/or Trunks, the characters that unlike Gohan or Broly don't have their own iconic forms yet. Goku&Vegeta not getting it should be pretty self-explanatory - these two already hoard too many forms and far too much screentime

[Grimlock]

Amazing how after 24 years of fandom, there are still things I'm just now catching.

Come to think of it, the 1st and the last power level to be read on the scouter in the original manga (the page you posted) is 5... how about that.
(Not that this is any kind of new discovery in general lol)

Gohan and Pan are introduced being four years old (although Pan is going five just after the tournament). Yeah, only now I'm noticing this as well.

[Hellspawn28]

I still find it funny that Nappa is the only person to be killed by the same person twice in the same timeline.

[QuakingStar]

Amazing how after 24 years of fandom, there are still things I'm just now catching.

Come to think of it, the 1st and the last power level to be read on the scouter in the original manga (the page you posted) is 5... how about that.
(Not that this is any kind of new discovery in general lol)

Gohan and Pan are introduced being four years old (although Pan is going five just after the tournament). Yeah, only now I'm noticing this as well.

and he was going to make Gohan 3 instead, but decided later 3 would be too young.. as if 4 wasn't too young.

But In Dragon Ball Super: Super Heroes Pan is 3.5 years old and that was his doing.

[Grimlock]

You know, "Kamehameha x10" is still a Dragon Ball GT exclusive thing to this very day. Never once has it been used anywhere else by someone else (Xeno Goku is GT Goku, so he does not count). One would imagine that Dragon Ball Daima drinking heavily from that fountain would bring that over... but nope, even as a "Super Saiyan 4", Goku continued to spam the basic old Kamehameha.

Same for Final Shine Attack. Daima Vegeta didn't use it, nor debuted a new technique that makes an allusion to it. It is still an exclusive technique. Kind of another wasted opportunity considering this how franchise panders to nostalgia and callbacks left and right.

and he was going to make Gohan 3 instead, but decided later 3 would be too young.. as if 4 wasn't too young.

Well, he did make Goku being three years old in his "chronological debut", if we can call it that.