Unpopular DB opinions

[GhostEmperorX]

True, in retrospect this was probably better fitting of non-thread worthy discussions.
Uhh... it's not quite like I hate the films for real... just can't think of what I'd retain from them is all.

[JulieYBM]

True, in retrospect this was probably better fitting of non-thread worthy discussions.
Uhh... it's not quite like I hate the films for real... just can't think of what I'd retain from them is all.

I've only seen the third Broli movie once and it wasn't until over twenty (20) years into my fandom and all I remember about it are the kickass music score (including a track from Tiger Mask being slipped in) and the awesome directing lol.

[MasenkoHA]

I think my unpopular opinion is Z movie 11 isn’t that bad and I would honestly take it over movies 6,7, and 10 at least. I think it’s comparable to movie 9 where the set up (Galaxy Tournament in movie 9, 18 coming after Satan for her money in movie 11) is enjoyable enough you can get past how underwhelming the main event actually is

[WittyUsername]

I think Movie 11 mostly gets such a bad rep because it’s basically a “lower deck” movie. More specifically, it’s a movie that entirely revolves around side characters who aren’t especially popular in the fandom.

Goten and Kid Trunks are the leads, while characters like Gohan and Vegeta are nowhere to be seen and Goku only gets a silly cameo near the end. Movie 10 focuses a lot on Goten and Kid Trunks too, but it also has Gohan play a prominent role and the climax involves a flashy beam struggle, whereas in Movie 11, the conflict is resolved by saltwater of all things.

Also, if you’re a Broly fan, the fact that “Broly” in that movie is reduced to an ugly blob creature who has even less personality than in Movie 10 can also seem like a slap in the face.

[JulieYBM]

I think my unpopular opinion is Z movie 11 isn’t that bad and I would honestly take it over movies 6,7, and 10 at least. I think it’s comparable to movie 9 where the set up (Galaxy Tournament in movie 9, 18 coming after Satan for her money in movie 11) is enjoyable enough you can get past how underwhelming the main event actually is

That Bojack film has such a nice premise, but I hate how often such premises are just ignored and tossed aside for the sake of a quick gag. Perhaps it is simply my love for the tournament arc format, but I would have loved to see more character stuff done.

Damned short runtimes. >_<

[ABED]

Dragon Ball Z: Battle of Gods and Resurrection F was underwhelming and hasn't aged very well, especially decade later.
I also wished they didn't used "Z" in title; I understand it is continuation of Z (ignoring GT), but I honestly that's one of the reason why I have an issue with movie. It doesn't feel like "Z" that I grew up with.
It reminds me of how James Rolfe (Angry Video Game Nerd) had issue with Chinese Democracy, where it should not have been released under Guns N' Roses, since it's not the same as it was before.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6U-I1OF82qE
It's not the similar issue per-se, but more of personal issue.

Battle of Gods was meant to be major comeback to the franchise, especially after infamous live action adaptation, Dragonball Evolution, got overwhelmingly negative reception from fans and audiences, so I can understand its appeal, and it did have interesting new idea.
Resurrection F, really felt short and lackluster, since it was just an excuse to bring back Frieza and give him new power-up.
Both movies had interesting ideas, but felt short on execution.
I don't hate them and they are not a bad movies, but I honestly wish it was better.

ROF wasn't liked from the get go tho, so that didn't change much. BOG on the other hand was praised to heavens and still often is which was always puzzling to me. Yes it was cool to have a new major movie, yes Beerus ans Whis are great but other than that, I always had massive issues with it and its reception. It's a TV reunion special (and looks TV-budget too) with every reunion special trope imaginable. There's no plot, the shiny new form is a complete retconish asspull and on top of that... it's basically Yo Son Goku Special redone again

I give it a pass for being a revival attempt on the whole franchise. But on a narrative, storytelling, writing and cinematic level it's just not a movie to me, rather an expanded test-run or an ad for the potential new DB future (at the time)

Having 2 great new characters and our friends back is the draw. Plot is massively overrated anyway. In DB, it's not plot driven. The plot is the excuse for why we are really there - to see our favorite characters and see them fight. Being a reunion in this case worked in its favor. I only wish that it was the only new thing we got. I say that even as a Super fan.

[Koitsukai]

Broly's 2nd Coming is not liked? I always liked it. I loved the first part with Videl, Goten and Trunks. Those 3 interacting is something I always cared for. There is some good characterization with Goten fake crying, Trunks already aware of the drill, Videl falling for that.

The ending makes no sense, Vegeta could've and should've been a part of the movie, but is still Broly's rampage on Earth. Maybe the first part of the fight is too long and too one-sided, but it gets fun when Gohan jumps in.
I'm not fond of fights ending with beam clashes and this one seems like it never ends, but I prefer it over salt water defeating a giant blob. I can see the joke in it, I just prefer funny jokes and not "haha fuck you" jokes.

Having said that, last time I watched the Blobby movie, it wasn't as bad as I thought it was going to be.

[PacificOceanDub]

Mine is that Peter Kelamis is the best English Goku voice actor. Always liked that his performance was a bit reminiscent of Nozawa

[MasenkoHA]

. Always liked that his performance was a bit reminiscent of Nozawa

People keep saying this but other than his Kaio-ken scream in World’s Strongest, I’m not hearing the similarities at all. Kelamis voiced Goku like a Ninja Turtle

[JulieYBM]

. Always liked that his performance was a bit reminiscent of Nozawa

People keep saying this but other than his Kaio-ken scream in World’s Strongest, I’m not hearing the similarities at all. Kelamis voiced Goku like a Ninja Turtle

I've never seen anyone make this comparison before and it really shell-shocked me.

Sorry, sorry, sorry.

[Hellspawn28]

I don't think we ever had a Goku voice actor close to Nozawa. Funimation always wanted Goku to be like a superhero and less of a silly man child martial artist.

[GhostEmperorX]

I don't think we ever had a Goku voice actor close to Nozawa. Funimation always wanted Goku to be like a superhero and less of a silly man child martial artist.

Same can honestly be said about any of the international dubs (regarding the 1st premise). But hey, ultimately it's Toei (and Toriyama) to blame for not having the slightest bit of interest in how that would go overseas.

The ending makes no sense, Vegeta could've and should've been a part of the movie, but is still Broly's rampage on Earth.

Given how pathetic they made him in the 8th movie, to the point where he didn't even get a theme variation for it, maybe that was a risk they didn't want to take with reducing him to that position for a 2nd time.

[Scsigs]

Dragon Ball Z: Battle of Gods and Resurrection F was underwhelming and hasn't aged very well, especially decade later.
I also wished they didn't used "Z" in title; I understand it is continuation of Z (ignoring GT), but I honestly that's one of the reason why I have an issue with movie. It doesn't feel like "Z" that I grew up with.
It reminds me of how James Rolfe (Angry Video Game Nerd) had issue with Chinese Democracy, where it should not have been released under Guns N' Roses, since it's not the same as it was before.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6U-I1OF82qE
It's not the similar issue per-se, but more of personal issue.

Battle of Gods was meant to be major comeback to the franchise, especially after infamous live action adaptation, Dragonball Evolution, got overwhelmingly negative reception from fans and audiences, so I can understand its appeal, and it did have interesting new idea.
Resurrection F, really felt short and lackluster, since it was just an excuse to bring back Frieza and give him new power-up.
Both movies had interesting ideas, but felt short on execution.
I don't hate them and they are not a bad movies, but I honestly wish it was better.

1. Battle of Gods was a reunion movie. It was intended as not only the start of something new in Dragon Ball, but also a belated legacy sequel to the manga & Z/Kai. The novelty of that wears off years later where not only do we have the different shows & movies on home media, but we have stuff that came after it much like how on rewatch the novelty of Andrew Garfield & Tobey Maguire being in Spider-Man: No Way Home does for some people. That being said, they're infinitely preferable to watch than the Super versions of the stories. You can literally just take the few episodes that don't directly adapt the movies from both arcs, slot the movies in between them because better pacing, better animation, & better versions of the stories overall, plus less time wasted of Res F. Then you go from there with Super's 3rd arc.
2. They used Z more as a branding thing since Super didn't exist yet when they came up with the titles. I agree that dropping the Z moniker would've been for the best, but it's branding & marketing for the movies because Z is still the most popular series. It's also why Kai uses the Z branding internationally.
3. I mean, Z doesn't have a consistent feel from front to back. The first 2 arcs have a different feel from the last 2 & the 3rd & 4th arcs have different feels from each other. I think it's perfectly in keeping with the older stuff, especially because Toriyama wrote them. At least for BoG, imo.

Personally, I think both the DBS retellings are a waste of time. The BoG retelling is basically a dragged out version of the movie with worse animation that makes Beerus more unlikable and the RF retelling does virtually nothing to improve an already lousy film. The one interesting idea it had was keeping Tagoma alive, but it’s ultimately just an excuse to bring back Ginyu for some shallow fanservice. Also, Piccolo’s death is so pointless that I keep forgetting they did that.

Wastes of time? Yes. However, Resurrection F, I will content, should've been a TV arc from the beginning rather than a movie. A plot like that required a bit more time than they gave it initially. The problem is that when it WAS converted into an arc, they didn't add much meaningful content to what was in the movie, the pacing was destroyed, & they added meaningless fanservice for the sake of it both with Ginyu & Piccolo sacrificing himself to save Gohan again as a bad callback to when he did that with Nappa's Bomber (or whatever it's called). I think that's mainly because the mandate was just to retell what was in the movies with nothing added that really changed them overall (kinda like how they adapted the last 4 arcs of the original manga into Z, tbh). Same with BoG. However, they also did it because not only do Japanese companies tend to do that kind of shit with media (they adapt video games & some original anime shows into mangas, remember), but to also make sure the people who come into Super without having seen the movies could watch the show arcs & keep up. They easily could've just showed the movies on TV int he lead-up to Super, but that's why they did it.

I think my unpopular opinion is Z movie 11 isn’t that bad and I would honestly take it over movies 6,7, and 10 at least. I think it’s comparable to movie 9 where the set up (Galaxy Tournament in movie 9, 18 coming after Satan for her money in movie 11) is enjoyable enough you can get past how underwhelming the main event actually is

Bio Broly is the result of the screenwriter Takao Koyama being given the green light for 2 more Broly movies back to back by Toei. Neither are really that good, tbh. The second doesn't make any sense to happen because, timeline issues aside with the show & manga, you have to accept that Broly managed to get on a random space pod that wasn't established beforehand & somehow made it to Earth rather than die to Comet Komori like he was implied to be at the end of the 1st film. Plus, it ends on a partial deus ex machina where somehow Shenron hears Goten's wish in his head & brings Goku back to help him & Gohan finish Broly off (which should be impossible, btw, since before he went back to Otherworld, they literally wished on the balls & Buu should be somewhere on Earth). Then because they killed him off for good in the second, they have to use some dumb sci-fi shit to clone him to bring him back again, of which by that point he's stripped of what made him in anyway interesting in the first place. It at least has SOME redeeming features like 18 & Satan this time, but it's still not great. I'd rather watch most of the other Z movies over this trilogy again, tbh.

[Hellspawn28]

It's strange to think they stop using the DBZ name brand for films a decade ago. Now, they just use Super for name branding.

[Scsigs]

It's strange to think they stop using the DBZ name brand for films a decade ago. Now, they just use Super for name branding.

Super's the new hotness. Even when they go back to making films, I doubt they'll use the Daima branding unless it's a sequel to that series & just continue Super's storylines.

[PowerPhantom245]

ROF wasn't liked from the get go tho, so that didn't change much. BOG on the other hand was praised to heavens and still often is which was always puzzling to me. Yes it was cool to have a new major movie, yes Beerus ans Whis are great but other than that, I always had massive issues with it and its reception. It's a TV reunion special (and looks TV-budget too) with every reunion special trope imaginable. There's no plot, the shiny new form is a complete retconish asspull and on top of that... it's basically Yo Son Goku Special redone again

I give it a pass for being a revival attempt on the whole franchise. But on a narrative, storytelling, writing and cinematic level it's just not a movie to me, rather an expanded test-run or an ad for the potential new DB future (at the time)

I mean, it ATLEAST trying to tell new story and introduce something new, which is more than I can say for Yo Son Goku Special.
I agree that it does feel like test-run or ad for future of Dragon Ball, which was success as revival of franchise, that gained new audience.
I just don't think it's the BEST Dragon Ball movie overall; it certainly doesn't go on Top 5 in my list, where I'm sure many would disagree.

[ABED]

BOG is absolutely a movie. There is a story, as much as there is in any of the other DB stories which which are all centered around building to a final battle. I don't know why BOG is made sound like it's not a movie just because it doesn't have a more complicated plot than a god woke up to fight because he heard of a prophecy about him fighting another god.

While one could see it as a "test run' it also works on its own or even as an ending for DBZ. Hell, it's a better one than the actual series.

[MasenkoHA]

BOG is absolutely a movie. There is a story, as much as there is in any of the other DB stories which which are all centered around building to a final battle. I don't know why BOG is made sound like it's not a movie just because it doesn't have a more complicated plot than a god woke up to fight because he heard of a prophecy about him fighting another god.

While one could see it as a "test run' it also works on its own or even as an ending for DBZ. Hell, it's a better one than the actual series.

Mostly agreed. The one thing you can say about the modern era films they all feel like Capital M Movies in a way the movies from the 80s/90s never did. Even Resurrection F felt like an actual movie and not an extended tv episode.


I’m not entirely sure if BoG provides a better ending than the actual ending, but like GT it provides a nice alternative ending to those who were put off by Goku leaving his friends and family to train a pre-teen to fight him. Unlike GT, BoG felt true to Toriyama’s version of Goku and not the messiah archetype Toei had constructed.

[JulieYBM]

I think the script for Battle of Gods definitely felt like a movie script, althought that might have been aided in the storyboard by Hosoda and the storyboard artists. Unfortunately, it doesn't really look like a movie, but I lay that blame on both using Hosoda Masahiro as the director and by using Yamamuro Tadayoshi as the animation character designer and chief animation supervisor. A proper remake of that movie with either Shintani, Takahashi or Kubota as chief animation supervisor and animation character designer would be so fucking cool. >_< Hell, a Nagamine or even Yamauchi Shigeyasu version of it and Fukkatsu no F would be cool as hell lol.

[Koitsukai]

Given how pathetic they made him in the 8th movie, to the point where he didn't even get a theme variation for it, maybe that was a risk they didn't want to take with reducing him to that position for a 2nd time.

I probably would've loved it if, instead of Goku ex deus machining it, it was Geets who came to save the day chiming in on the final blast. Vegeta was in debt with Gohan after he saved him vs Cell.
It would've worked with the whole Goten and Trunks wishing their dad came to save them, instead of somehow bringing somebody back to life without even summoning Shenron, it was actually the alive father that decided to help his son.
Also, after seeing Vegeta be such a bitch in the 1st Broly movie, coming back with a "don't give up attitude" would've been nice to see. With how the movie was told, it seems he is still shit-scared of Broly and more than willing to let his son die.

Even if it was as brief as they believing at first it was Goku, due to being extremely battered and hallucinating, and then coming back to their senses, and seeing Geets say we're even now.