Should Dragon Ball's canon be reset?

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Should Dragon Ball's canon be reset?

Post by GokuIsMyDad77X » Wed Aug 27, 2025 2:45 pm

So, I was curious.

Hypothetical situation: say we end up having a remake anime of Dragon Ball from Bulma to Buu.

Now, most Dragon Ball after that point doesn't need to be remade, given how recent it was that Super and especially Daima came out. But we look at that spate of material, and obviously it sits a contradictory line where Daima, Super, and I'd argue GT are all being perceived (given certain statements that have been made) as all canon. It's kind of a win-win-win situation for everyone, but it obviously primarily comes from Toyotaro-sensei.
I agree that everyone should have their cake and eat it too. But what about the prospect of tying in any attempt to deal with the more complicated aspects of Super's lore in other iterations of the franchise that don't necessarily involve anime? Usually, shit gets cordoned off a'la Xenoverse; I thought that was one of the better ways of going about it. But now that you have two Fusion explanations at variance with each other that could easily have made Vegito's Fusion remain permanent (thereby eliminating the need for Future Trunks' victory in his own saga, the plot armor of the century), how does one attempt to break even on aspects of three sections of Dragon Ball's post-Buu (and in one case post-Uub) narrative?
Transformers' approach to series following Generation One was something. Until Robots in Disguise and the Unicron Trilogy, it clued in every single show as canon (for the most part). So no surprise when IDW tried to distance themselves from that mentality for a reportedly solid Generation One run, much of which you can't even buy- you'd have to read it online, but it's still acclaimed for the "More Than Meets the Eye Arc."
Let's say someone in the West (with complete adherence to Toriyama-sensei's art style, and with storytelling style as foundation) did an IDW run of Dragon Ball... It wouldn't need to be the same continuity as the manga, so what gets clued in and what stays out?

Let's discuss, peeps. 😎

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Re: Should Dragon Ball's canon be reset?

Post by JulieYBM » Wed Aug 27, 2025 2:53 pm

I think artists should be allowed to tell the stories they feel like telling and not worry too much about canon. There really isn't a Star Trek-esque approach to canon for Dragon Ball, anyway.
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Post by Adamant » Wed Aug 27, 2025 2:57 pm

Dragonball ended in 1995. There's really no need to treat all these endless modern attempts to milk it even further as more than just that.
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Post by Kunzait_83 » Wed Aug 27, 2025 4:51 pm

Adamant wrote: Wed Aug 27, 2025 2:57 pmDragonball ended in 1995. There's really no need to treat all these endless modern attempts to milk it even further as more than just that.
This. Thread over.

Just accept that Dragon Ball had already ended before most of its modern Western fanbase even knew what it was, and move on. Stop trying to reanimate a corpse.
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Re: Should Dragon Ball's canon be reset?

Post by Dragon Ball Ireland » Wed Aug 27, 2025 5:10 pm

No, I don't think the canon should be reset. A hypothetical Dragon Ball remake should tell the story of the original 42 volumes of the manga as-is so it could be promoted as a tribute to Akira Toriyama.

No need to retell Daima or Super because, as you said both are recent enough. The former was the last product Toriyama was deeply involved with so better to leave that in his honour. As for the latter, you could argue it could be improved with the right creative team but we don't know how much Toriyama was a part of it other than providing vague outlines so it would be hard to decide what to keep and what to leave out in a remake that honours Toriyama.
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Re: Should Dragon Ball's canon be reset?

Post by Yellow Flower King » Wed Aug 27, 2025 6:20 pm

I think if anything needs to happen is one of 2.

1-Readapted Manga
2-FINALLY LETTING DRAGON BALL REST.

If it is not one of these, I dont care.

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Re: Should Dragon Ball's canon be reset?

Post by M16U3L2015 » Thu Aug 28, 2025 12:58 am

No, we have to accept that Dragon Ball ended just as Toriyama wanted it to in 1995. Everything that has come since then has been an attempt to milk more out of it.

There's a reason why, with the exception of GT and DB Online, no one has wanted to create a story beyond the end of the original manga.

The only thing left to do would be to make a remake of the anime that is truly faithful to the manga, with things like Bulma having purple hair, Namekians having four fingers, or removing Gregory entirely.

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Re: Should Dragon Ball's canon be reset?

Post by Majin Buu » Thu Aug 28, 2025 10:03 am

M16U3L2015 wrote: Thu Aug 28, 2025 12:58 amThe only thing left to do would be to make a remake of the anime that is truly faithful to the manga, with things like Bulma having purple hair, Namekians having four fingers, or removing Gregory entirely.
Purple haired Bulma, four fingered Namekians, removing Gregory- That's all minor stuff that I don't think would justify doing a new anime adaptation.

For me, the draw with something like that would be seeing the manga's material with high quality modern animation.

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Re: Should Dragon Ball's canon be reset?

Post by JulieYBM » Thu Aug 28, 2025 10:26 am

Hiring a better writer and pairing them with a good series director to telling Dragon Ball more effectively through the medium of animation would be an interesting way of doing a second adaption of the material. Otherwise, there really isn't any point to, like, doing a 1:1 adaption of the original 1984 comic series.

I dunno. Give me a few million dollars and I'd probably just suggest making an original series instead of more IP stuff lol
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Re: Should Dragon Ball's canon be reset?

Post by GokuHater » Thu Aug 28, 2025 1:19 pm

Like others, I think there is absolutely no need to remake Dragon Ball. Even with a better writing team and arguably better animators... No, its not worth it. Dragon Ball is a product of its time and having it nowadays just wouldnt work. Imagine all the Roshi gags.
There is absolutely no way they would now keep that (even I'm the day there was plenty of censorhip in other countries). But without it something's already missing.

If they remade early DB they probably would animate it Pah to Power style. It's a pretty style but I rather more round early Akira Toryiama style for early DB.

Also don't forget, the Z portion was already remade and Kai is a good way to watch it.

Now lets Imagine they actually would do that and I can tell what to keep, what to dispose.
I guess I would throw away all the Garlic Jr saga and all Namek filler. Have the story flow more like Kai but keep the Gohan training filler, 3 years before the Androida filler and filler before the Cell games.
I like those 😅
Maybe somehow make Gohan a more active character during Android saga to build up for the climax.

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Post by Jord » Thu Aug 28, 2025 1:34 pm

There is so single canon.

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Post by MasenkoHA » Thu Aug 28, 2025 2:11 pm

…….

Yeah I’m also gonna also go with the answer the manga ended in 1995. It doesn’t need a reboot, remake, spin off.additional sequels, reset or whatever. The manga exist, warts and all. It’s going nowhere.

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Post by WittyUsername » Thu Aug 28, 2025 4:34 pm

A Dragon Ball remake would be marginally less unnecessary than that stupid HBO Harry Potter remake. In other words, it’s not really necessary at all, in my opinion.

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Post by JulieYBM » Thu Aug 28, 2025 4:58 pm

WittyUsername wrote: Thu Aug 28, 2025 4:34 pm A Dragon Ball remake would be marginally less unnecessary than that stupid HBO Harry Potter remake. In other words, it’s not really necessary at all, in my opinion.
There's a pretty wide gap between the two subjects. Toriyama didn't use his platform to loudly and directly influence political policy and media focus to demonize and strip the rights of trans people. He sat around his house building his little models and watching movies in his later-years. The Harry Potter television series exists for two reasons: profit for Warner Bros and relevancy and more money for JKR to spend harming minorities.
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Re: Should Dragon Ball's canon be reset?

Post by GokuIsMyDad77X » Thu Aug 28, 2025 5:56 pm

JulieYBM wrote: Thu Aug 28, 2025 4:58 pm
WittyUsername wrote: Thu Aug 28, 2025 4:34 pm A Dragon Ball remake would be marginally less unnecessary than that stupid HBO Harry Potter remake. In other words, it’s not really necessary at all, in my opinion.
There's a pretty wide gap between the two subjects. Toriyama didn't use his platform to loudly and directly influence political policy and media focus to demonize and strip the rights of trans people. He sat around his house building his little models and watching movies in his later-years. The Harry Potter television series exists for two reasons: profit for Warner Bros and relevancy and more money for JKR to spend harming minorities.
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Post by MasenkoHA » Thu Aug 28, 2025 7:14 pm

M16U3L2015 wrote: Thu Aug 28, 2025 12:58 am No, we have to accept that Dragon Ball ended just as Toriyama wanted it to in 1995. Everything that has come since then has been an attempt to milk more out of it.

There's a reason why, with the exception of GT and DB Online, no one has wanted to create a story beyond the end of the original manga.

The only thing left to do would be to make a remake of the anime that is truly faithful to the manga, with things like Bulma having purple hair, Namekians having four fingers, or removing Gregory entirely.
Here’s the thing. We’re never gonna get a truly faithful version of the manga. Because a lot of the subject matter isn’t considered “kid appropriate” by Japanese tv BS&P anymore and the IP holders will always make sure Dragon Ball is a kid series.

We basically saw a taste of that with Kai already a half assed manga recut of Z censoring stuff from the 90s anime that was in the manga like turning the gaping hole in Goku and Raditz’s chest into scorch marks and removing the scene of the sniper killing the old couple in the Boo saga

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Post by BlazingFiddlesticks » Thu Aug 28, 2025 7:14 pm

The goal is ultimately comprehensibility to newcomers, and Dragon Ball is still mostly straightforward in 2025. A core story with three completely parallel sequels, one obviously much more developed than the other two. (The Super concepts referenced in Daima are so scant that I can't really count them.) "Fixing" that would only muddy waters that presently aren't that muddy or are already muddy enough, depending on you view, and I'd rather limit that to the production reality of Super's manga asking you to put the comic down and watch a couple of movies. But beyond that, if the rights holders really do intend to run this train as long as they can, suddenly "Dragon Ball ended in 1995" isn't just a creative clean cut, it becomes the only healthy way to navigate all of this. Don't lose sleep over how Daima's Super Saiyan 4 works and why Goku never used it in Super, no one involved with it did.
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Post by WittyUsername » Thu Aug 28, 2025 8:18 pm

JulieYBM wrote: Thu Aug 28, 2025 4:58 pm
WittyUsername wrote: Thu Aug 28, 2025 4:34 pm A Dragon Ball remake would be marginally less unnecessary than that stupid HBO Harry Potter remake. In other words, it’s not really necessary at all, in my opinion.
There's a pretty wide gap between the two subjects. Toriyama didn't use his platform to loudly and directly influence political policy and media focus to demonize and strip the rights of trans people. He sat around his house building his little models and watching movies in his later-years. The Harry Potter television series exists for two reasons: profit for Warner Bros and relevancy and more money for JKR to spend harming minorities.
Sure. From a moral standpoint, the Harry Potter reboot is an outright abhorrent concept. Even independently of who Rowling is as a person though, the idea of rebooting Harry Potter as an HBO show sounds completely unnecessary and I can’t fathom why any Harry Potter fan would be excited about such a thing, unless they really want to see the “elves love being slaves” subplot get adapted.

When it comes to Dragon Ball, I don’t simply don’t see what purpose retelling the manga would serve. The original manga isn’t going anywhere and it’s not like the anime shows were some radical departure from the manga’s story.

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Re: Should Dragon Ball's canon be reset?

Post by JulieYBM » Thu Aug 28, 2025 8:21 pm

WittyUsername wrote: Thu Aug 28, 2025 8:18 pm
JulieYBM wrote: Thu Aug 28, 2025 4:58 pm
WittyUsername wrote: Thu Aug 28, 2025 4:34 pm A Dragon Ball remake would be marginally less unnecessary than that stupid HBO Harry Potter remake. In other words, it’s not really necessary at all, in my opinion.
There's a pretty wide gap between the two subjects. Toriyama didn't use his platform to loudly and directly influence political policy and media focus to demonize and strip the rights of trans people. He sat around his house building his little models and watching movies in his later-years. The Harry Potter television series exists for two reasons: profit for Warner Bros and relevancy and more money for JKR to spend harming minorities.
Sure. From a moral standpoint, the Harry Potter reboot is an outright abhorrent concept. Even independently of who Rowling is as a person though, the idea of rebooting Harry Potter as an HBO show sounds completely unnecessary and I can’t fathom why any Harry Potter fan would be excited about such a thing, unless they really want to see the “elves love being slaves” subplot get adapted.

When it comes to Dragon Ball, I don’t simply don’t see what purpose retelling the manga would serve. The original manga isn’t going anywhere and it’s not like the anime shows were some radical departure from the manga’s story.
I'm not going to litigate whether it's particularly necessary to create a new animated adaption of the 1984 comic, I'm specifically saying that your comparison is just a terrible one.
WittyUsername wrote: Thu Aug 28, 2025 8:18 pmOutside of better animation and removing the filler, what would the appeal be?
Being watchable, being better than the comic. You can do literally anything to justify creating a new animated adaption.
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Re: Should Dragon Ball's canon be reset?

Post by WittyUsername » Thu Aug 28, 2025 8:33 pm

JulieYBM wrote: Thu Aug 28, 2025 8:21 pm
WittyUsername wrote: Thu Aug 28, 2025 8:18 pm
JulieYBM wrote: Thu Aug 28, 2025 4:58 pm

There's a pretty wide gap between the two subjects. Toriyama didn't use his platform to loudly and directly influence political policy and media focus to demonize and strip the rights of trans people. He sat around his house building his little models and watching movies in his later-years. The Harry Potter television series exists for two reasons: profit for Warner Bros and relevancy and more money for JKR to spend harming minorities.
Sure. From a moral standpoint, the Harry Potter reboot is an outright abhorrent concept. Even independently of who Rowling is as a person though, the idea of rebooting Harry Potter as an HBO show sounds completely unnecessary and I can’t fathom why any Harry Potter fan would be excited about such a thing, unless they really want to see the “elves love being slaves” subplot get adapted.

When it comes to Dragon Ball, I don’t simply don’t see what purpose retelling the manga would serve. The original manga isn’t going anywhere and it’s not like the anime shows were some radical departure from the manga’s story.
I'm not going to litigate whether it's particularly necessary to create a new animated adaption of the 1984 comic, I'm specifically saying that your comparison is just a terrible one.
WittyUsername wrote: Thu Aug 28, 2025 8:18 pmOutside of better animation and removing the filler, what would the appeal be?
Being watchable, being better than the comic. You can do literally anything to justify creating a new animated adaption.
I’m not sure that making an adaptation that tries to “improve” upon the manga would go over especially well. They could certainly tone down the gross pervertedness of the early parts of the manga, but then the new anime would run the risk of being seen as a “sanitized” version of the manga.

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