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[funrush]

With Dragon Ball's increasing power creep, I've always wondered why wouldn't fights be taken just in space and away from Earth? I don't think it would be too hard to find a reason, in universe as to how the characters manage to overcome this obstacle, I mean, every single villain post the Saiyan arc (besides the androids) can breath in space.

And then I realized, yeah there's now way Toriyama would have spent time inking entire pages black to portray a space battle, he already didn't want to ink Goku's hair so he turned him Super Saiyan!

Also the Saiyans can't breathe in space, although I guess the writer could invent a technique that lets them not need to breathe anymore or something LOL

How powerful would SS3 be on an Saiyan Android? This form's flaw is that it spends all your energy. Well, what would happen if you had an infinite energy drive?

Probably around as powerful but without the possibility of running out? Maybe even a little stronger cause maybe with big ki blasts you could put more oomph into them.

[QuakingStar]

How powerful would SS3 be on an Saiyan Android? This form's flaw is that it spends all your energy. Well, what would happen if you had an infinite energy drive?

If 17 was a Saiyan turned Android instead of Human turned Android he would have been exponentially stronger in the Android Saga, give him the SS forms? Insane. SS3 would still have a ki consumption, there just wouldn't be a stamina consumption.

[Yellow Flower King]

How powerful would SS3 be on an Saiyan Android? This form's flaw is that it spends all your energy. Well, what would happen if you had an infinite energy drive?

If 17 was a Saiyan turned Android instead of Human turned Android he would have been exponentially stronger in the Android Saga, give him the SS forms? Insane. SS3 would still have a ki consumption, there just wouldn't be a stamina consumption.

I'd rather meant if Bulma reverse ingeneered the technology and put it on Vegeta, Trunks or Bra.

[Noah]

Sure, but that's also not the last time Dragon Ball has dragged a few minutes into several episodes, either. Remember those last few minutes in the Tournament of Power? They took forever.

The tournament of power and Super as a whole were just badly written.

My thoughts exactly. It never made sense to me that everything in the Tournament of Power happened in just 48 Earth minutes, it should’ve been at least 6 hours to be believable IMO

I like that gorgeous, red ki move. The power of ten Kamehame-Ha in one attack? Very fun! Now, if only it had a real downside.

IIRC, it was only red during the Baby arc, right? After that, it went back to the usual blue

[QuakingStar]

Sure, but that's also not the last time Dragon Ball has dragged a few minutes into several episodes, either. Remember those last few minutes in the Tournament of Power? They took forever.

The tournament of power and Super as a whole were just badly written.

My thoughts exactly. It never made sense to me that everything in the Tournament of Power happened in just 48 Earth minutes, it should’ve been at least 6 hours to be believable IMO

I like that gorgeous, red ki move. The power of ten Kamehame-Ha in one attack? Very fun! Now, if only it had a real downside.

IIRC, it was only red during the Baby arc, right? After that, it went back to the usual blue

No, it was red vs Super 17.

[jjgp1112]

I caught another bit to add to the partial redub pile on the Orange Bricks:

Chris Sabat actually DID redub a single line as Jeice from the original season 3 dub - after Ginyu asks what happened to Recoome, Jeice says, "Well...they won't be coming back sir..." He originally said "We lost, sir!"

This was due to an issue in timing - the first 15 episodes of season 3 removed the eyecatches originally, and the offending bit of dialogue actually overlaps between two cuts that the eyecatch was originally placed between. So to avoid having the conversation get broken up, they rewrote it so it all finishes before the eyecatch and that obviously required Sabat redoing Jeice's line. You can even hear the difference in his voice, as he sounds deeper and more Yamcha/Vegeta-like

And so, Chris Sabat DID indeed redub somebody besides Vegeta and Burter

[GhostEmperorX]

You know, if I had a nickel for every time Yamamoto ripped off a Terminator score right around the time of the Cell arc and stopped working on a DB anime after the end of that same arc, I'd have two. Which isn't much, but...

And I'd continue that, but in parallel, one other composer in an alternate production also left DBZ after the Cell arc, so that would be like 3 (minus the Terminator copying).

[Metalwario64]

Trying to restore the old FUNimation movie singles in AviSynth as best I can. doing a bit of deblocking and denoising, just trying to eliminate the worst mpeg2 artifacts and the shitty edge enhancement. Since the encoding FUNimation used to use was so bad, I had to get a bit heavy handed and then added in some fake grain back but... I think it's more excusable than FUNimation's 30th anniversary sets when they had a perfectly fine film print that they denoised then added that fake grain.

[Yellow Flower King]

I wonder why Nicktoons was so popular back then. The ratings were huge for the channel at the time, sure, but not as big as CN. And yet a whole new generation fell in love with Dragon Ball thanks to it.

[MasenkoHA]

I wonder why Nicktoons was so popular back then. The ratings were huge for the channel at the time, sure, but not as big as CN. And yet a whole new generation fell in love with Dragon Ball thanks to it.

Nick had been an established brand for kids television programming for quite some time on par with Cartoon Network and Disney well before Kai started airing. It’s not really a mystery. We also have already seen Dragon Ball prove itself on kids television before.

[Yellow Flower King]

I guess you are right. I do wonder where we would be if Buu Kai aired on Nicktoons. Because while Toonami got much much much higher ratings even on Adult Swim, people apparently dont vibe with Weekly airings.

[Soppa Saia People]

I had kind of a random thought when me and my bestie were finishing up the Saiyan saga in Kai, primarily that I really like Nappa, he's probably my favorite grunt character in the series, and I don't know if this was intentional or anyone agrees, but I kinda thought he also has like a light fighter jet type themeing. I'm probably just thinking of this because of the Ocean intro, where you see him rip thru the plane, but his flying pose, the fact he's in the air so often, they comment on him being a good fighter in the air, and that sorta thing.

[Dragon Ball Ireland]

I guess you are right. I do wonder where we would be if Buu Kai aired on Nicktoons. Because while Toonami got much much much higher ratings even on Adult Swim, people apparently dont vibe with Weekly airings.

Nicktoons airing GT was probably a mistake. No doubt they would have got better ratings with Kai The Final Chapters. Funimation also would have likely dubbed Super earlier as they would have had a channel to air it on.

[MasenkoHA]

I guess you are right. I do wonder where we would be if Buu Kai aired on Nicktoons. Because while Toonami got much much much higher ratings even on Adult Swim, people apparently dont vibe with Weekly airings.

Nicktoons airing GT was probably a mistake. No doubt they would have got better ratings with Kai The Final Chapters. Funimation also would have likely dubbed Super earlier as they would have had a channel to air it on.

They had no Final Chapters to air in 2012 when GT ran on Nicktoons.

I’m not sure if GT bombed or not but it made sense to run it. Nicktoons wanted more Dragon Ball content after Kai was a hit. Wouldn’t make sense to run the Z episodes of Buu if Funimation knew Buu Kai was coming and original Dragon Ball looked older and had over 150 episodes. GT with the tv special had the standard 65 episode kid show length, looked less old than the 86 anime and appeared to have sold better than it as well.

[Hellspawn28]

I guess you are right. I do wonder where we would be if Buu Kai aired on Nicktoons. Because while Toonami got much much much higher ratings even on Adult Swim, people apparently dont vibe with Weekly airings.

Nicktoons airing GT was probably a mistake. No doubt they would have got better ratings with Kai The Final Chapters. Funimation also would have likely dubbed Super earlier as they would have had a channel to air it on.

They aired SD edited episodes from 10+ years ago. Nick probably wanted more DB content, so they had no choice. They also aired DBZ Movie 7-11 edited which something that CN never did.

I think kids who watched Kai on Nick Toons probably started to read the manga and watch the Buu saga on their own. By 2010-2012, the entire manga and anime was widely available. Unlike during the CN days when you had to go out and search stuff that wasn't out yet in English (It wasn't hard to do, but people in the 2010s had it better with faster speed internet and YouTube).

[jjgp1112]

Y;know whenever I see people concepting a theoretical "Kakarot" iteration of Goku's character if he never bumped his head, they pretty much turn him into a generic Saiyan with Goku's face...but a character I'd find way cooler and more interesting is if he were every bit as friendly and jovial as the Goku we all know...only he's a fucking psychopath on top of that. Like, a midpoint between Perfect Cell and pre-Satan Fat Buu.

It's not just powerful opponents that make him go Waku Waku, it's also densely populated cities!

[JulieYBM]

I've never given much thought to how I would personally do an 'Kakarotto' version of Gokuu, but I do think it would be funny if he was a bit unlike the typical Saiyan. Like, if Saiyans are typically blowhards and the like, what if Kakarotto was cautious and cool-headed? Tullece without the ego, perhaps? A foil to Raditz's cockiness? A little birdie on Bardock's shoulder, advising him against rashness? A melancholic, slumbering maniac, awakened only by a truly fearsome foe? A bettee husband and father?

[BootyCheeksJohnson]

I'm getting really annoyed by the amount of people online commenting how "Toriyama gave TFS his blessing" and how "Toriyama loved DBZA". Toriyama couldn't speak English, and his colleagues seemed to imply that he didn't use the Internet much. How could he possibly have known it existed?
This misinformation started getting spread again because Sean Schemmel asked people at a panel to stop asking him about it since it's not an official anime product. So now people are pissed off at him for asking them to respect his boundaries.
Fandom mindset is just ridiculous.

[PhantomSaiyan]

I'm getting really annoyed by the amount of people online commenting how "Toriyama gave TFS his blessing" and how "Toriyama loved DBZA". Toriyama couldn't speak English, and his colleagues seemed to imply that he didn't use the Internet much. How could he possibly have known it existed?
This misinformation started getting spread again because Sean Schemmel asked people at a panel to stop asking him about it since it's not an official anime product. So now people are pissed off at him for asking them to respect his boundaries.
Fandom mindset is just ridiculous.

People really say that? That's insane lol also funny how delusional they can be

I see this in plenty of fandoms. On a lot of subreddits, I see people saying things like "the author of x manga definitely reads this subreddit because x y and z happened in the story", it's crazy that they don't realize just how disconnected japanese authors are from the western side of the fandom, or more broadly, how japanese people are disconnected from the western world in general aside from some movies and music

[SupremeKai25]

I'm getting really annoyed by the amount of people online commenting how "Toriyama gave TFS his blessing" and how "Toriyama loved DBZA". Toriyama couldn't speak English, and his colleagues seemed to imply that he didn't use the Internet much. How could he possibly have known it existed?
This misinformation started getting spread again because Sean Schemmel asked people at a panel to stop asking him about it since it's not an official anime product. So now people are pissed off at him for asking them to respect his boundaries.
Fandom mindset is just ridiculous.

People really say that? That's insane lol also funny how delusional they can be

I see this in plenty of fandoms. On a lot of subreddits, I see people saying things like "the author of x manga definitely reads this subreddit because x y and z happened in the story", it's crazy that they don't realize just how disconnected japanese authors are from the western side of the fandom, or more broadly, how japanese people are disconnected from the western world in general aside from some movies and music

I'd say this is pretty obvious by looking at how many western fans have a misconception that Goku is some heroic, Superman-like champion of justice derived from that horribly-dubbed DBZ show. Which TFS even poked fun at with that whole "I am the alpha and the omega" speech he gives to Freeza in the parody.

These people had a pretty rude awakening when Toriyama went back to writing Goku for Super and it turned out that he was -NOT- supposed to be a hero of justice, the light of the universe, the protector of the innocents, the smiter of evil, yada yada yada.