Who is the next villain you'd like to get recycled?

[Jord]

Recently, a lot of villains got recycled.
Super recycled Broly (twice if you count Kale), Frieza, Cell, Ginyu.
Buu got kinda recycled for Daima for Kuu.

Who should be the next villain to get recycled and maybe even get a new color?
I'd say Cooler would be interesting, just to see his interactions with Freeza.

[JulieYBM]

Coola, but he's a middle-aged salary man married to a Saiyan and they have a couple of kids and he just likes to play with his little model cars and trains and read his newspaper and fuck his wife and then Freeza tries to conquer the planet that he's living on and he has to ask Gokuu to train him to defeat Freeza once and for all.

[Zebra]

Buu got kinda recycled for Daima for Kuu.

Doo blatantly recycled Boo.

[Metalwario64]

I guess I will agree with Julie and say coola but only since freeza is a mainstay since super so... I guess it would make him more interesting. I'm tired of all the rehashing and nostalgia bait in this franchise's reboot era though...

[Jord]

Buu got kinda recycled for Daima for Kuu.

Doo blatantly recycled Boo.

Ik guess I got my doo's and koo's mixed up.

[funrush]

Cooler because Freeza is alive again and I don't believe we've seen those two interact outside of video games. I think it would be cool to see if they'd team up or fight each other. Maybe do a movie about Cooler shortly after Super Hero and then the Black Freeza arc could be more like the Freeza-Cooler War arc. An insane battle royale between Freeza, Cooler, Broly, Goku, Vegeta, Piccolo, and Gohan.

[Peach]

I would say Cooler or Garlic Jr.

It would be interesting to see the dynamic between Cooler and Frieza while Frieza is alive. And I'd like to know where he's been all this time and why he didn't take over the Frieza Force all those years Frieza was dead.

Garlic Jr would also be fun. There are a few ways they could go about it, with his father once challenging Beerus to the role of God of Destruction instead of Kami for Guardian. Or they could do something in Daima and have Garlic Jr be part of a clan from the demon realm.

[Peach]

Cooler because Freeza is alive again and I don't believe we've seen those two interact outside of video games. I think it would be cool to see if they'd team up or fight each other. Maybe do a movie about Cooler shortly after Super Hero and then the Black Freeza arc could be more like the Freeza-Cooler War arc. An insane battle royale between Freeza, Cooler, Broly, Goku, Vegeta, Piccolo, and Gohan.

My idea for Cooler would be a Tempest / Hamlet inspired story where King Cold sealed Cooler away when Frieza was an infant. Perhaps he destroyed the Frost Clan's home world and King Cold feared his power. Then he returns in modern day wanting his birth right back. It could even happen in the Black Frieza arc with Goku/Vegeta about to initiate their counter attack on Frieza

[IntangibleFancy]

Cooler
With Turles and Slug being his Zarbon and Dodoria

I want Janemba too, but I feel like he'd have to pretty big. GoD level maybe? Angel level feels like it's kinda pushing it. Either way, if they do make him that strong, whatever they do to kill him has gotta be a one time thing.

[WittyUsername]

Cooler always seemed like the most plausible choice, especially given Freeza’s prominence in the Super era.

[JulieYBM]

In the original Janemba movie, he's a being formed by accident when evil souls possess a twinky oni. This makes me thing that it would be interesting if he represented a loss of individuality in a new storyline. Gokuu and Vegeta losing their individuality would be their worst fears, I think, so that feels ripe for grounds to really strike at them as characters.

[WittyUsername]

I remember seeing a comment on these forums back in 2019 that suggested that if Baby ever got brought back for DBS, then he could have a sort of Venom dynamic with Freeza, where they essentially bond over their mutual hatred of Saiyans. For whatever reason, that idea always stuck with me.

[JulieYBM]

I remember seeing a comment on these forums back in 2019 that suggested that if Baby ever got brought back for DBS, then he could have a sort of Venom dynamic with Freeza, where they essentially bond over their mutual hatred of Saiyans. For whatever reason, that idea always stuck with me.

A couple of evil queens plotting sweet revenge against a mutual enemy makes for good television! Just look at how delicious every interaction between Gokuu Black and Zamasu was!

[SupremeKai25]

I remember seeing a comment on these forums back in 2019 that suggested that if Baby ever got brought back for DBS, then he could have a sort of Venom dynamic with Freeza, where they essentially bond over their mutual hatred of Saiyans. For whatever reason, that idea always stuck with me.

A couple of evil queens plotting sweet revenge against a mutual enemy makes for good television! Just look at how delicious every interaction between Gokuu Black and Zamasu was!

Yes, it was a delightful and unique dynamic, made even funnier by the fact that they're the same person, so they referred to each other as "my counterpart". Also, Black and Zamasu are one of the few villainous duos in the series who don't turn against each other.

But according to OP, Black and Zamasu are just a "Ginyu" rehash.

In OP's logic, Cell was just a rehash of Freeza because they got the same cells.

[PhantomSaiyan]

In OP's logic, Cell was just a rehash of Freeza because they got the same cells.

I think even this comparison doesn't do it justice just how different Zamasu is from Ginyu

Ginyu's one and only gimmick was the body swap ability, that's all there was to his character along with the silly squad poses and his loyalty fo Frieza.

Zamasu is much more than that, when I think of Zamasu, I think of course about his hatred for mortals, the Zero Mortal Plan, his fall from grace, the molonogues, and of course his partnership with himself lol

While for Ginyu the body swap was all there was to his character (not that it's a bad thing, I enjoyed Ginyu as well), for Zamasu it's just a means to an end, and it's precisely that end that makes him memorable.

[Jord]

Uhm Ginyu was an actual character in DBS...for a few eps.

[nineko]

To give this topic a straight answer, no, I wouldn't want to see more recycled villains, I'd prefer new content, then again I'd settle for anything at all, after literal years of draught.

Many of you mentioned Cooler, it's an idea which could have had merit if played between Broly and Granolah, because Freeza did mention that he wanted a partner in the Broly movie, but that was before he achieved his black form and k.o.'d Goku and Vegeta with a single punch in the Granolah arc.

With all that said, it is now time for a troll answer: I'd bring back Monster Carrot. He deserves a second chance after having been exiled on the Moon (which also exploded in the mean time) for decades.

[SupremeKai25]

In OP's logic, Cell was just a rehash of Freeza because they got the same cells.

I think even this comparison doesn't do it justice just how different Zamasu is from Ginyu

Ginyu's one and only gimmick was the body swap ability, that's all there was to his character along with the silly squad poses and his loyalty fo Frieza.

Zamasu is much more than that, when I think of Zamasu, I think of course about his hatred for mortals, the Zero Mortal Plan, his fall from grace, the molonogues, and of course his partnership with himself lol

While for Ginyu the body swap was all there was to his character (not that it's a bad thing, I enjoyed Ginyu as well), for Zamasu it's just a means to an end, and it's precisely that end that makes him memorable.

I'll go a step further and say that no villain so far has been truly "recycled" except for Freeza solely and exclusively in RoF.

I will agree that RoF was a pretty mindless story and just a nostalgia bait for people who liked Goku vs. Freeza on Namek. But, in the Tournament of Power, Freeza played a protagonist role for the first time ever.

Freeza has gone through some major character development in late Super, despite remaining a villain. The simple fact that he didn't kill or torture Goku and Vegeta at the end of the Granolah arc when he could easily do that is proof of it. This new Freeza is more cautious, more calculating, and more composed than before.

Similarly, both Broly and Cell Max are vastly different from their original versions. They are entirely different characters, with Broly being a kind-hearted Saiyan who lived his entire life in a backwater planet, and Cell Max being an incomplete, mindless android created by a whole new branch of the RRA.

In a way, I am curious to see how they would incorporate villains like Cooler or Janemba or even Hirudegarn into Super. Based on the pedigree, we see that they do not just copy-paste old villains as they are, they change some things about their story or personality (again, Freeza in RoF is the only exception and, for the record, I hate that movie).

Although, if you ask me, Cooler is pretty unnecessary when we have Frost. If the idea of Cooler is to make a storyline where Cooler clashes with Freeza, then Frost is right there and is perfect for that.

More interesting, however, would be Hirudegarn. Maybe it's just my childhood nostalgia talking, but I loved that movie as a child simply because of the atmosphere. So dark, so eerie, so apocalyptic. I know Hirudegarn is pretty forgettable but I found him cool and his backstory terrifying. In a way, all the slaughter and darkness of Goku Black and the Future Trunks saga takes me back to Hirudegarn and his backstory with Tapion.

I wouldn't mind seeing more of that in Super.

[JulieYBM]

Hot take: working with an already established series instead of just creating your own is just recyling characters no matter what you do, because you're recycling the protagonists, too. I don't think creating a new version of one of the old anime-original characters is that big a deal, especially if you have a story you want to tell.

[SupremeKai25]

Hot take: working with an already established series instead of just creating your own is just recyling characters no matter what you do, because you're recycling the protagonists, too. I don't think creating a new version of one of the old anime-original characters is that big a deal, especially if you have a story you want to tell.

Yeah, which is why I love what they've done with the returning villains and how they created new stories and character dynamics for them. Freeza being an ally in the ToP, Broly having a new history on Planet Vampa, Cell Max being a rampaging brute instead of a cold and calculating gentleman.

It goes without saying that if you're using a particular antagonist it's because you want to tell a particular story about them. And this is why I dislike ROF. What's supposed to be the story with Freeza in RoF? The movie doesn't do anything unique with the character, unlike the ToP saga and the Granolah saga which developed his character in a new direction from the original.

That's why I don't care about Cooler. We already have a new alternative to Freeza - Frost. There's nothing that Cooler brings to the table that can't be done by Frost already. I will always prefer using new villains that are similar to old ones rather than "recycling" old ones when there's so many interesting characters created by the modern series.