Unpopular DB opinions

[Scsigs]

Yu-Gi-Oh, though, actually felt like a different anime when I watched it in Japanese, 'thanks' to 4Kids

I've watched Yugioh in Japanese. It is a different experience. You can appreciate it more when there isn't music going on all the time like in the dub.

I've sampled some episodes & watched the JP cut of Pyramid of Light. It's a very different experience. Similar to watching OG Digimon in Japanese. The reuse of only a few main pieces of music at key moments & the score just feeling more lively in JP Yugioh compared to 4Kids' score just makes it pack more of a punch. Japanese minimalism works to its advantage for things like that. They don't make a million pieces of music as episodes go on. They make a soundtrack's worth, make them all fun, exciting, & memorable for what they're supposed to go with for scenes & just reuse the shit out of them. As long as the music's well done, well placed, & executed well with their scenes, it's a win in my book.

I've watched Yugioh in Japanese. It is a different experience. You can appreciate it more when there isn't music going on all the time like in the dub.

I've said this many times in the past, but that right there has always been one of my main problems with Funi's Z dub.

In additional to replacing Kikuchi's score, that replacement score rarely ever shuts up (the only times I can think of is when Vegeta dies in the Namek arc and a brief moment when Satan throws #16's head at Gohan in the Cell arc (for some reason)). The drama just hits better when there isn't music constantly running in the background.

I think it’s telling even people who swear by the Mike Smith and Company score it’s pretty much exclusively the character pieces like Vegeta’s Hells Bells and Gohan’s Anger Theme and Perfect Cell’s Theme that they are talking about. And perhaps the title card music. You’re probably never gonna hear a fan of that score praises the fax machine breaking down noises that makes up 20-60 percent of the American soundtrack in a given episode or the “Hey you stupid child! The characters said a joke! Here’s some silly music because you’re stupid and we need you to know a character said a funny!” music stings.

I feel like if the American score had been stripped down to just 20-30 pieces of music and didn’t have a requirement to Mickey Mouse the animation it would have been a more tolerable score.

And for all the Kai dub and Japanese dub with Team Faulconer music fanedits, I’m surprised none of the fans have attempted that. At least not to my knowledge.

Whenever I see people post clips from the Z dub with the US score, I wanna die. I genuinely don't understand how people have grown up & think that most of that music is in any way good. It's really bad synth shit that sounds right out of an 80s cyberpunk movie or something & it plays WAY too much to the point where it's distracting from the scenes. That doesn't really fit Dragon Ball most of the time. Hell, there's a reason why TeamFourStar didn't use a lot of the US score &, when they did, they ended up getting the songs redone iirc.

Also, I guess there aren't enough Z US score fans that can edit audio that care to do that edit at the moment.

[MasenkoHA]

[. That doesn't really fit Dragon Ball most of the time. Hell, there's a reason why TeamFourStar didn't use a lot of the US score &, when they did, they ended up getting the songs redone iirc.

Also, I guess there aren't enough Z US score fans that can edit audio that care to do that edit at the moment.

They didn’t use the Faulconer score because KaiserNeko was the editor and is a fan of the Japanese version and has openly admitted to hating it. Which, valid.

Conversely, Lanipator clearly is a fan of the Toonami dub and the American score. So it’s not really a Team Four Star thing.


Anyways, there’s a number of solid music pieces from Cakemix Studios but it sure as hell doesn’t work in execution with it’s inability to shut the fuck up and a majority of the music just being mindless noise that drones on like Optimus Prime giving a washing machine backshots.

[GhostEmperorX]

It's really bad synth shit that sounds right out of an 80s cyberpunk movie or something & it plays WAY too much to the point where it's distracting from the scenes.

Or alternatively, some 90's shovelware video game soundtrack derivative of those 80's cyberpunk movie scores (which themselves are of far higher production values).
Maybe just straight up those shovelware soundtracks, from arcade shooters to RPG's. Especially the synth guitar resembles that stuff (along with MMPR).

[GurixDr34]

Both the Buu Saga and the Cell Saga are good conclusions for the franchise many say that Dragon Ball should have ended with the Cell Saga but the Buu Saga also presented a good ending

What i like about watching the Old Dragon Ball Movies is that you get an idea of ​​what the Villains of the Dragon Ball Sagas would have been like if everything were different i really imagine Android 13 or Broly replacing Cell or Janemba replacing Buu in a Universe different from ours

I really enjoyed the Bojack Unbound Movie i like the idea of ​​Gohan defeating another Villain after Cell and protecting Earth after Goku departure in fact in Super Butoden 2 Bojack is the final boss of the game i would have liked to explore more the time between Cell Saga and Buu Saga

Launch is a very underrated character and it saddens me how Toriyama forgot about her

I would have preferred if Goku had stayed small i enjoy Kid Goku more than Adult Goku

Pan should have been the first female SSJ in Dragon Ball in GT

Dragon Ball Z will forever be the peak of the franchise in storytelling

[BernardoCairo]

I would have preferred if Goku had stayed small i enjoy Kid Goku more than Adult Goku

Even though I prefer the original Dragon Ball over Z, there’s something very satisfying about watching Goku and his family grow throughout the arcs. Time feels like a fundamental element of Dragon Ball’s appeal, and this is evident in many parts of the series, such as the Tenkaichi Budokais, the Saiyajin Arc, the Boo Arc, and even GT.

[SupremeKai25]

the Cell Saga are good conclusions for the franchise

Hardly. The ending of the Cell saga doesn't fit the true spirit of Dragon Ball. A story that started as the funny adventures of a quirky boy shouldn't end with said quirky boy deciding that the Earth is better off without him. That is depressing, not to mention that he leaves behind a wife, a child, and a soon-to-be-born second son who will grow up without a father.

A more appropriate ending would be Goku accepting the revive and acknowledging that, while the Earth will always be assailed by threats, he will be there to guide the next generation.

Which is exactly the perfect ending of the Uub saga.

An ending where the people we care about die and the villain effectively won in his goal of killing the protagonists just doesn't fit Dragon Ball.

[Jord]

I would have preferred if Goku had stayed small i enjoy Kid Goku more than Adult Goku

Would you then have the events of Z transpire with a small/Kid Goku?

[BernardoCairo]

@SupremeKai25 I agree! The Boo Saga is a much better ending to the Dragon Ball story than Cell ever was.

[PhantomSaiyan]

@SupremeKai25 I agree! The Boo Saga is a much better ending to the Dragon Ball story than Cell ever was.

I'll double down and say that I think it's a MUCH better ending than GT as well, but I've already explained in this thread why I feel like it's a much better fit for the franchise in general

[SupremeKai25]

@SupremeKai25 I agree! The Boo Saga is a much better ending to the Dragon Ball story than Cell ever was.

I'll double down and say that I think it's a MUCH better ending than GT as well, but I've already explained in this thread why I feel like it's a much better fit for the franchise in general

I'll double double double double down and say that episode 131 of the Super anime is a better ending than GT.

Now that's a hot take. Thank goodness there's no Reddit karma here or I'd get buried.

Anyway, the ending of the Super anime is in line with the spirit of Dragon Ball, reinforcing the themes of a never-ending journey to self-improvement both in wisdom and in discipline. Goku and Vegeta training in an old, familiar location was nostalgia done right, in the spirit of fun and youthful optimism, not old age and sadness like GT.

An ending that is trying to be sad, melodramatic, sappy, and involving death and the end of Goku, does -NOT- fit Dragon Ball. It is the exact opposite of the ending Toriyama wrote for DBZ.

Goku's story does not "end", it continues into a new chapter. An open ending is the only ending that will ever fit a series like Dragon Ball.

[Zinnia]

Goku and Vegeta training in an old, familiar __cpLocation was nostalgia done right, in the spirit of fun and youthful optimism, not old age and sadness like GT.

GT ended at Goku Jr's special though which ended optimistically, main cast has their descendants who'll be going through their own adventures
DBS's anime ending isn't really an ending either because obviously we know what happens next, and the series isn't finished in both mediums.

[Koitsukai]

There's something about GT's ending that always bugged me, even though I love it. The descendants of the saiyans no longer see each other anymore, that's hella sad, they went through so much together, and I know they aren't the type of people that see each other every weekend but still... that level of estrangement is fucked up, even if it means the Earth hasn't "needed" these people teaming up again.

Also, I expected that, down the line, their lineages would come together but 100 years later they don't even recognize another SS or even the term.

[WittyUsername]

The Boo saga ending is definitely more inline with the spirit of Akira Toriyama’s Dragon Ball than GT or even Cell, if the series had ended there. Goku embarking on a new adventure is much more whimsical than him choosing to stay dead for flimsy reasons or the melancholic vagueness of the GT ending.

[SupremeKai25]

Goku and Vegeta training in an old, familiar __cpLocation was nostalgia done right, in the spirit of fun and youthful optimism, not old age and sadness like GT.

GT ended at Goku Jr's special though which ended optimistically, main cast has their descendants who'll be going through their own adventures
DBS's anime ending isn't really an ending either because obviously we know what happens next, and the series isn't finished in both mediums.

According to that ending, Goku and Vegeta's families had a fallout to the point that Bulma Jr. doesn't even know who Pan is.

That's honestly the most Toriyama part of GT. Better late than never I suppose.

[Yellow Flower King]

Goku and Vegeta training in an old, familiar __cpLocation was nostalgia done right, in the spirit of fun and youthful optimism, not old age and sadness like GT.

GT ended at Goku Jr's special though which ended optimistically, main cast has their descendants who'll be going through their own adventures
DBS's anime ending isn't really an ending either because obviously we know what happens next, and the series isn't finished in both mediums.

According to that ending, Goku and Vegeta's families had a fallout to the point that Bulma Jr. doesn't even know who Pan is.

That's honestly the most Toriyama part of GT. Better late than never I suppose.

This has to be kidding. One of the better decisions by Super is to have everyone be a huge family. When Bulma dies. It is a big drop dead tragic moment. I cant believe a Super fan is saying this.

[ABED]

There's something about GT's ending that always bugged me, even though I love it. The descendants of the saiyans no longer see each other anymore, that's hella sad, they went through so much together, and I know they aren't the type of people that see each other every weekend but still... that level of estrangement is fucked up, even if it means the Earth hasn't "needed" these people teaming up again.

Also, I expected that, down the line, their lineages would come together but 100 years later they don't even recognize another SS or even the term.

That's just life. People stop seeing each other because life happens. It's sad, but not depressing. It doesn't have to be due to some falling out, either.

GT wasn't very Toriyama, so an ending that tries to all of a sudden be Toriyama would feel off. We already got the open ending. Giving a more definitive ending felt right.

[SupremeKai25]

GT ended at Goku Jr's special though which ended optimistically, main cast has their descendants who'll be going through their own adventures
DBS's anime ending isn't really an ending either because obviously we know what happens next, and the series isn't finished in both mediums.

According to that ending, Goku and Vegeta's families had a fallout to the point that Bulma Jr. doesn't even know who Pan is.

That's honestly the most Toriyama part of GT. Better late than never I suppose.

This has to be kidding. One of the better decisions by Super is to have everyone be a huge family. When Bulma dies. It is a big drop dead tragic moment. I cant believe a Super fan is saying this.

I'm not a "Super fan". I like a few Super arcs, and dislike the majority of them. The world isn't exactly black and white.

I am also a big lover of the ending Toriyama wrote for the story as a whole. Goku was never supposed to be a family man, so it makes sense that he leaves his family to train Uub. And similarly, it makes sense that his descendants didn't keep in touch with Vegeta's and they just drifted apart.

[Yellow Flower King]

According to that ending, Goku and Vegeta's families had a fallout to the point that Bulma Jr. doesn't even know who Pan is.

That's honestly the most Toriyama part of GT. Better late than never I suppose.

This has to be kidding. One of the better decisions by Super is to have everyone be a huge family. When Bulma dies. It is a big drop dead tragic moment. I cant believe a Super fan is saying this.

I'm not a "Super fan". I like a few Super arcs, and dislike the majority of them. The world isn't exactly black and white.

I am also a big lover of the ending Toriyama wrote for the story as a whole. Goku was never supposed to be a family man, so it makes sense that he leaves his family to train Uub. And similarly, it makes sense that his descendants didn't keep in touch with Vegeta's and they just drifted apart.

Oh well. You are correct. And to be honest there's an ending for everyone here, there's so many to pick from.

[BernardoCairo]

GT’s ending is definitely emotional for longtime fans, especially because of the final montage. However, Goku "dying" and becoming some kind of spirit who returns to watch over his descendants just doesn’t sit right with me. It doesn’t feel very Dragon Ball-like. Personally, I’d rather see Goku go off to train the next generation, leaving the story open for us to imagine future adventures.

[Captain Awesome]

Abridged is terrible and has poisoned the discourse around the franchise.

I'm sick of hearing about it like it’s a legitimate way to experience Dragon Ball.

“JuSt wAtCh aBridGed”