Which was the better sequel: GT, Super, or Daima ?

[JulieYBM]

The one who killed Jiren's master would be named by Toriyama and if he didn't want to name him, the staff of the animated series would be hamstrung by that. 'Lazy' is simply not a word that should be used with regards to commercial art, given the unreasonable demands made of the people who make it. Frankly, the term should never be used in general.

I think it was ill-conceived to hold off on Jiren's story for so long, but I imagine it was saved to be shown until the end of the series for several reasons: for there to be less for the audience—primarily kids—to need to remember over the course of a year of television, but also because the staff might have been needing to wait for the details to be final approval. This was a series being made on exceptionally little time and yet still managed to have solid writing with characters like Kale, Caulifla, and their relationship between themselves and rivalry with Gokuu, for example.

[super michael]

The worst sequel is DBS for having these flaws:

- Goku being extremely dumb, especially in the Monaka episode, Goku Black Saga and DBS Super Hero movie.
- Buu is always asleep
- Goten is forbidden
- Trunks is forbidden
- Chi Chi is super annoying with really dumb logic, her logic is Goten can't train unless there is a bad guy around
- New Saiyan transformations are just recoloured Base or SSJ form
- Universe 6 Saiyans has no muscle even if they train or transforms. Imagine Cabba using SSG


As for the best, that is between GT or Daima. I will have to choose GT.

[Jord]

The worst sequel is DBS for having these flaws:

- Goku being extremely dumb, especially in the Monaka episode, Goku Black Saga and DBS Super Hero movie.
- Buu is always asleep
- Goten is forbidden
- Trunks is forbidden
- Chi Chi is super annoying with really dumb logic, her logic is Goten can't train unless there is a bad guy around
- New Saiyan transformations are just recoloured Base or SSJ form
- Universe 6 Saiyans has no muscle even if they train or transforms. Imagine Cabba using SSG


As for the best, that is between GT or Daima. I will have to choose GT.

When Super started up I was excited to see Buu fight more due to his unique powers and the one fight he did have, was great. Bringing back people like Krillin and Roshi instead for the TOP doesnt make any sense from a power point of view.

I'll add the pedo "romance" between Mai and Kid Trunks to that. Mai is older than his mother. Besides all the bad creative choices, portraying a relationship like that as "cute" is bad taste. to put it lightly.

[BernardoCairo]

- New Saiyan transformations are just recoloured Base or SSJ form

I get all the other points, but this just isn't true at all.

[super michael]

- New Saiyan transformations are just recoloured Base or SSJ form

I get all the other points, but this just isn't true at all.

SSG does something unique, the fighter becomes slimmer and the eyes is red and black.
SSB is literally SSJ1 but coloured blue.
UI Omen is just Base Goku.
UI is just Base Goku but coloured white.

SSJ1 was unique, SSJ2 I will admit there wasn't much difference between for some user except for having lightning. SSJ3 was very different compared to the other forms. SSJ4 GT and Daima was very different compared to the other forms.

[PhantomSaiyan]

SSG does something unique, the fighter becomes slimmer and the eyes is red and black.
SSB is literally SSJ1 but coloured blue.
UI Omen is just Base Goku.
UI is just Base Goku but coloured white.

SSJ1 was unique, SSJ2 I will admit there wasn't much difference between for some user except for having lightning. SSJ3 was very different compared to the other forms. SSJ4 GT and Daima was very different compared to the other forms.

I don't have any strong opinion on the uniqueness of the forms just for the record, but if you're ok with how SSG just turns goku's hair and eyes red, I don't see why you wouldn't give UI, both Omen and Completed the same treatment.

Is it just because God is thinner? Is that the deciding factor here? Because on top of different eyes and hair, UI offers a whole new fighting style (when the writers use it properly), and I think that's gotta count for something when you consider how unique each form is, unless you're talking ONLY about looks

[super michael]

SSG does something unique, the fighter becomes slimmer and the eyes is red and black.
SSB is literally SSJ1 but coloured blue.
UI Omen is just Base Goku.
UI is just Base Goku but coloured white.

SSJ1 was unique, SSJ2 I will admit there wasn't much difference between for some user except for having lightning. SSJ3 was very different compared to the other forms. SSJ4 GT and Daima was very different compared to the other forms.

I don't have any strong opinion on the uniqueness of the forms just for the record, but if you're ok with how SSG just turns goku's hair and eyes red, I don't see why you wouldn't give UI, both Omen and Completed the same treatment.

Is it just because God is thinner? Is that the deciding factor here? Because on top of different eyes and hair, UI offers a whole new fighting style (when the writers use it properly), and I think that's gotta count for something when you consider how unique each form is, unless you're talking ONLY about looks

SSG also has black in the eye, it isn't just red only. I know it doesn't seem much, but when combined with the other details such as being slimmer and the colour being red it does make the user look unique.

I guess you right right, the eyes are different it isn't just 1 colour the eyes. I was only thinking about the looks of the form, however I guess the user fighting style does count.

[Koitsukai]

SSG does something unique, the fighter becomes slimmer and the eyes is red and black.
SSB is literally SSJ1 but coloured blue.
UI Omen is just Base Goku.
UI is just Base Goku but coloured white.

SSJ1 was unique, SSJ2 I will admit there wasn't much difference between for some user except for having lightning. SSJ3 was very different compared to the other forms. SSJ4 GT and Daima was very different compared to the other forms.

I don't have any strong opinion on the uniqueness of the forms just for the record, but if you're ok with how SSG just turns goku's hair and eyes red, I don't see why you wouldn't give UI, both Omen and Completed the same treatment.

Is it just because God is thinner? Is that the deciding factor here? Because on top of different eyes and hair, UI offers a whole new fighting style (when the writers use it properly), and I think that's gotta count for something when you consider how unique each form is, unless you're talking ONLY about looks

Agreed. It’s only in terms of design one can bash the new forms. UI is a whole different world in terms of fighting style; True Sign as well, being less stoic and more emotion-based; SSB proved to be able to control ki in ways not possible before, stacking KK on top of a SS form, in both media. The anime ended up showing Goku can dial up his power as he wishes, from 0.1 to full power in that form.

And even the designs make sense to be recolored, they are the result of containing their existing ki and not letting it spill out. Of course it's going to look like the existing forms with changes in the lightning. Why should that change drastically their appearance?

[Zephyr]

Ultra Instinct also often makes the hair more wavy. So even though it's Goku's base hairstyle, it's usually shaped differently.

[super michael]

One would think combining SSG + SSJ1 would produce something new or something different than looking like SSJ1 but in blue.
It is like SSB completely ignores everything about SSG in appearance and just looks like SSJ1 but in blue.

Take SSJ3 and SSJ4 an example, they look new compared to it previous forms.

[Grimlock]

It is like SSB completely ignores everything about SSG in appearance and just looks like SSJ1 but in blue.

And it does, as it should. Because contrary to popular belief, Super Saiyan God Super Saiyan is the combination of regular Super Saiyan with the power of Super Saiyan God Super Saiyan. Not the combination of two transformations. So it theory and on paper, it makes absolutely sense for that form to retain the Super Saiyan hairstyle, because it is indeed the Super Saiyan form.

But in practice, no doubt, there could have been better ways to represent the difference between Super Saiyan and Super Saiyan shrouded in god Ki other than just recolor the hair. That's what its fault is at.

The difference between Super Saiyan and Super Saiyan God Super Saiyan should have taken cues from the difference between Super Saiyan and Super Saiyan 2. Just add some visual effects to make it clear which is which. Make the aura have a unique sound effect as well. No need to exaggerate just to represent the presence of god Ki.

[BernardoCairo]

Super Saiyajin God: Goku’s body becomes slimmer, his eyes grow larger and rounder, and his eyebrows take on a sharper shape. His hair changes color and appears sleeker, while his aura undergoes a dramatic transformation.

Ultra Instinct Sign: Goku’s entire body language shifts. He appears more muscular, his eyes change color, and his hair becomes wavier with streaks of silver. His aura also transforms significantly.

Ultra Instinct: similar to Omen, but with an even more powerful and refined appearance. His build is slightly bulkier, and his hair turns completely silver, which fits naturally as an evolution of the form.

The only transformation that could truly be considered a recolor is Super Saiyajin Blue, which makes sense since it is essentially the Super Saiyajin form enhanced by God Ki, an evolution of that state, much like Grade 4 was.

[Zephyr]

Let's not forget that Blue also changed the aura shape.

[JulieYBM]

Super Saiyan God Super Saiyan also has slightly different hair compared to Super Saiyan. It's slight, but there lol

[PhantomSaiyan]

Yeah, SSB has that one extra bang compared to SSJ that's true lol animators often forget it though

[super michael]

It is like SSB completely ignores everything about SSG in appearance and just looks like SSJ1 but in blue.

And it does, as it should. Because contrary to popular belief, Super Saiyan God Super Saiyan is the combination of regular Super Saiyan with the power of Super Saiyan God Super Saiyan. Not the combination of two transformations. So it theory and on paper, it makes absolutely sense for that form to retain the Super Saiyan hairstyle, because it is indeed the Super Saiyan form.

But in practice, no doubt, there could have been better ways to represent the difference between Super Saiyan and Super Saiyan shrouded in god Ki other than just recolor the hair. That's what its fault is at.

The difference between Super Saiyan and Super Saiyan God Super Saiyan should have taken cues from the difference between Super Saiyan and Super Saiyan 2. Just add some visual effects to make it clear which is which. Make the aura have a unique sound effect as well. No need to exaggerate just to represent the presence of god Ki.

So SSB is just SSJ1 + God Ki, it isn't two transformation stacked as one. So it isn't SSJ1 + SSJG. I guess you are right, on paper it does make sense for SSB for it to look like SSJ1. I always though (Super Saiyan God) (Super Saiyan) were combined as one, which later they renamed it as Super Saiyan Blue to make it short.

[GurixDr34]

Dragon Ball GT more than a sequel was a series made to give the franchise a definitive ending at least thats how it seemed at the time they eliminated some concepts but i think GT would have had the same ending anyway Super on the other hand is a sequel made to revive the Dragon Ball franchise bringing Goku and his friends back with new adventures Daima was an experiment by Toriyama an homage to the Original Dragon Ball but now it seems it will have a sequel i think that showing Goku SSJ4 and Vegeta SSJ3 in Daima is an attempt to create another new continuity but i believe Daima can fit into the Super narrative we all see later if Daima and Super are connected or not

[SupremeKai25]

Dragon Ball GT more than a sequel was a series made to give the franchise a definitive ending at least thats how it seemed at the time

Was the ending of DBZ not "definitive"?

Open endings can also be "definitive" endings. The ending of DBZ was an open ending - Goku's story doesn't end, it continues on with new adventures - but it was also a "definitive" ending: The Earth will be safe because Goku will train a new generation of warriors.

I'd say GT just gave Dragon Ball a worse ending that doesn't tonally fit with Toriyama's work.

A core part of any great story is understanding -WHEN- it's a good time to end that story. Stories can't go on forever. The writers of GT did not understand this and their "definitive ending" is totally redundant and superfluous.

i believe Daima can fit into the Super narrative we all see later if Daima and Super are connected or not

We know that Gowasu and all the other Kaioshin who appear at the Tournament of Power also exist in the Daima world. We also know that Goku's world is in the Seventh Universe, which is also DBS lore.

[Yuji]

I think Daima probably feels the more organic Z continuation. But it's mind-numbingly boring and safe.

GT has the lowest lows, and the highs just reach mediocrity for me, but I can admire the scope and ambition and risk of taking something as monumental as a Z sequel on, especially when you contrast it to the safe alternatives we got instead.

Super (the manga) is the clear choice for me. Safe in theory but still ambitious enough at times, does far more interesting things with its world and characters than the others, much more impressive and creative fight scenes. It has its lows too but I could never call it boring, perhaps only really the U6 arc was the one that didn't wow me.

[super michael]

We know that Gowasu and all the other Kaioshin who appear at the Tournament of Power also exist in the Daima world. We also know that Goku's world is in the Seventh Universe, which is also DBS lore.

Just because DBS lore and characters gets referenced, it doesn't mean DBS and Daima are connected.

Boruto filler episode get referenced in Boruto manga, it doesn't mean the episode and manga are connected. Himawari trained in the filler episode and knows how to fight, while in the manga it was mentioned later on that Himawari isn't a ninja and doesn't know how to fight.
Right now Boruto anime hasn't caught up to that chapter in the manga which mentions about Himawari, Boruto anime has been on a break since March 26, 2023.


DBS is the worst when it comes to character writing. There was no excuse for how they wrote Goku, Chi Chi, Buu, Goten and Trunks.
DBS is inferior compared to DB/DBZ, while Ben 10 Omniverse is inferior compared to Ben 10 and Ben 10 Alien Force. The network thought Ben was too mature in Ben 10 Alien Force, so the writers had to dumb him down in Ultimate Alien and Omniverse.