In order to continue DB's story in an authentic manner, Jump should create a Toriyama AI bot

[JulieYBM]

There's an indie film to be made here where two or three losers bring Toriyama back from the 1980s when he was still in his prime to draw new Dragon Ball for them, but all he does is sit around their apartment and play video games, build models and watch new action movies while they have to grapple with how he has a better grasp on life than they do as 30-something fans who can't move on from a children's franchise from their childhood.

I can already picture a scene where two of the three middle-aged stoners are talking about how excited they are for bringing back Toriyama while the latter is sitting in the stoners' couch, staring at them with a confused look. The third stoner is off-screen because he went to buy some snacks and booze.

The evolution of fandom from something that fans use as a means to feel some degree of control over something in their lives (the first two stoners), to something to incorporate as an aspect of their lives (via that third stoner) is such a good idea.

"Dragon Ball is a thing I do" as opposed to "Dragon Ball is how I define my life" is so important for fans to learn from, I think.

I'm trying to avoid puppeting a corpse here, but if I wrote this I'd file the serial numbers off and have 'the creator' getting high at some point lol. Through action and viewing a creative person as more than just a way to get more stories power-scaling nonsense, 'the fans' can grow as people and learn to let go of their obssesive need for more.

Like, at the beginning of the movie, they revive him so that he can draw the big final battle with Black Freeza (or file the serial numbers off and make everything in the film not literally Dragon Ball), but by the end of the movie, they've grown past that and let go. There is no big moment where 'the creator' gives the fans what they want. Their lives go on and they find other ways of being happy.

I feel like I've probably just come up with an old-school raunchy comedy film plot for Gen Xers and older Millenials lol

[Tian]

Like, at the beginning of the movie, they revive him so that he can draw the big final battle with Black Freeza (or file the serial numbers off and make everything in the film not literally Dragon Ball), but by the end of the movie, they've grown past that and let go. There is no big moment where 'the creator' gives the fans what they want. Their lives go on and they find other ways of being happy.

I can expect the ending being that 80s Toriyama got so absorbed and influenced by the wonders and blunders from nowadays (where this hypothetical film would be set) that he ends up writing something way different than the stoners wanted. So they sent him back to the 80s and the stoners finally accept that Toriyama is no longer around and he was a human being like us and move on.

[Yellow Flower King]

Great now I legit feel sad I will never see this movie. Too bad Julie is not the long lost third Wachowski sister.

[BootyCheeksJohnson]

Even if the bot was only fed Toriyama's work it still wouldn't be able to create what he did because Toriyama had many different interests and hobbies that the bot wouldn't know about.

[PowerPhantom245]

Oh please.
No AI.


...well, at least not for another 20~30 years. lol XD

[MCDaveG]

No way in hell... The series pretty much died with the author TBH.

Not to mention, AI is great for automation, but it's way of generating art is wrong and against the fundamentals of human created art in the first place.

Toriyama is one of the most influential people to me not only because he created one of my fav IPs, but he greatly inspires me as a designer as well and how he paved his own road resulting in many of his works and decisions.
You won't be able to make a solid system out of a person, that behaved and worked in a certain way, based on circumstances, feelings and deadline pressure.
AI won't be able to say, fuck it today, I've ran out of ideas, let's go play some Dragon Quest instead and get some story plot idea at the last minute, or being ill, or forgetting about characters, thinking out of the box and creating parallels where there weren't any in the first place.
It will resemble fabricated product that will be more akin to Star Wars sequels or Alien Romulus, which was fun, but it was safe best of in a sense. That people make mistakes and aren't perfect play a huge deal in creative work together with the sense of experiencing the outside world physically with our bodies.

There is a reason I've stopped using AI in my design work for creating artworks beside some experimentation with the tool like Midjourney.
Except for "soft" reasons that have moral implications and quite the biggest reason – why would I want to generate artificial stuff to add to the online slop of mediocre crap and keep people on screens, consuming that, instead of doing something worthwile.
The deep reason was, that when I wanted AI to replicate my thinking in context, composition and art, it isn't able to and it won't be because of major flaw in it's core... Human thinks in context and creates major ideas out of whole smaller ideas, similar to our brain processing vision and creating one image made out of shapes and connecting various shapes into clusters to get a sense of the world (sometimes someone can see Jesus on burnt toast, or face on mars as one of the results on how mind operates with reality and creates patterns – in this particular case Pareidolia – AI still). AI on the other hand gets your prompt, or series of prompts and tries to fill it with it's limited knowledge, where it creates one picture made filled with parts that have no relation to each other, already lacking a substance just to serve one selfcontained output without greater context or added value, to serve one and simple narrative only without the ability to create patterns.

Long story short, AI won't drink six beers in Barcelona at 10am and write poem about it.

If I'll have to choose in the basics, if I'll watch rather a fabricated product made from existing stuff based on fixed image of an author (and we've already got everything we could from Akira Toriyama) or if I'll watch a series based off of Toriyama, that live artists worked on with the possibility of enriching it in a way that AI can't.

Great example, SSJ4 by Katsuyoshi Nakatsuru.
I have used it as a short task in Chat GPT, to follow similar route as if we did DBGT now, with only DB/Z/OG manga existing.
Super Saiyan 4 would turn out similar to SSJ before, with small tweaks... Unfortunately or in this case after all the Ghibli generation ruckus, fortunately, it won't create an image because it won't go through the copyright policy.
But in short, we won't have the weird ass SSJ4 from Nakatsuru

Of course, some AI evangelists will say: Oh, but we can, you'll just prompt it in a similar fashion in a way Nakatsuru might think... but wouldn't it make more sense to let a person go at it? To push it further – studio executive won't make the same output anyway, as he doesn't think like an artist does, hence artist could do it... why would he?
That's another thing, outside of automations, many creative things I tried to do with AI were easier to do myself in the end.

[gokaiblue]

Ew. No. Generative AI in general should stay far away from the arts period. Even if it's just fed Toriyama's stiff, it's not a replacement for the man.

[Hellspawn28]

I don't know people like to simp to AI so much?

[JulieYBM]

Anti-fascists are anti-AI and fascists are pro-AI, so that should tell you everything you need to know, I would offer.

[Desassina]

Perhaps AI could fill Cell's spots automatically?

[JulieYBM]

Perhaps AI could fill Cell's spots automatically?

Just give artists more time and money.

[Hellspawn28]

Anti-fascists are anti-AI and fascists are pro-AI, so that should tell you everything you need to know, I would offer.

Sadly, I have seen some people on the left use AI art to make anti-fascist and anti-capitalist stuff. People are too lazy to hire people to make art. I have done art for free for people because I'm nice, or I don't want them to use AI.

[JulieYBM]

Anti-fascists are anti-AI and fascists are pro-AI, so that should tell you everything you need to know, I would offer.

Sadly, I have seen some people on the left use AI art to make anti-fascist and anti-capitalist stuff. People are too lazy to hire people to make art. I have done art for free for people because I'm nice, or I don't want them to use AI.

Plenty of people claim to be on 'the left', that doesn't make them actually on the left.

[Koitsukai]

Being left is such a wide term that you can be on the left and still be a fucking asshole that plays into the hands of the right.

[Desassina]

Perhaps AI could fill Cell's spots automatically?

Just give artists more time and money.

It's up to the artist to manage his own whims, because Cell could easily go without spots if time and money were contraints, but Toriyama would most likely have used time saving techniques without compromising his art. People need to lighten up on the use of AI. The mark of a true artist will be to make his work appear authentic in the sea of sameness that technology promotes (which should make his life easier).

[JulieYBM]

Perhaps AI could fill Cell's spots automatically?

Just give artists more time and money.

It's up to the artist to manage his own whims, because Cell could easily go without spots if time and money were contraints, but Toriyama would most likely have used time saving techniques without compromising his art. People need to lighten up on the use of AI. The mark of a true artist will be to make his work appear authentic in the sea of sameness that technology promotes (which should make his life easier).

Toriyama isn't the only person drawing Cell—in fact, he isn't drawing Cell at all anymore—but even if he was, there's no excuse for using AI. Toriyama chose to design Cell that way, he could simply change his design or hire more assistants. Toriyama was the one who decided to only have one assistant at a time. Other comics artists usually have multiple.

[PhantomSaiyan]

It's up to the artist to manage his own whims, because Cell could easily go without spots if time and money were contraints, but Toriyama would most likely have used time saving techniques without compromising his art. People need to lighten up on the use of AI. The mark of a true artist will be to make his work appear authentic in the sea of sameness that technology promotes (which should make his life easier).

They were all able to pull off Cell's spots without ai, we do not need it, we were fine before it.

As an artist myself, I'd rather spend more time doing something as annoying as those spots myself rather than making an ai do it.
You might think that just drawing the spots is purely manual work with no artistic intention behind it, but the placement of those spots is important even if it doesn't look like it, so I, and likely any artist, would rather have complete control over where to draw them, otherwise they can literally break the illustration's balance and aesthetic.
Basically you can't just put them at random like an ai would, but they need to be placed with deliberate intent

But I do agree on the point that if there's one good thing about AI, is that real artists will be able to stand out more in a sea of sameness, like you said.

[Desassina]

I'm of the opinion that art isn't craftsmanship, but the ability to detach oneself from the craft and produce something visually striking or conceptually challenging, because that means that it has not yet been figured out for the public to use and abuse, which includes having access to the same tools and not being able to get to the same result due to a lack of vision, so I don't feel empathy for hard work in case the artist cannot detach himself from it. AI just makes craft easier. The vision still has to be ours. The challenge is to make it appear authentic now. Just deal with it.

(did you know that there is a tile that forms a pattern that never repeats if you keep extending it? It's a simple geometric figure that earned mathematical interest and study quite recently. It was a human being that conceived it and it's called "the Hat". It was only crafted to the point of realization that it never repeated, but its simplicity makes it appear like it's easy, in case the person doesn't know the origin of the problem)

(did you know that the song "Wire" from U2 used a synth to pull off more notes than those being strung by the guitarist? It's a simple reverb effect that makes one note sound like it's two or three. The challenge is for the guitarist to not get ahead of his own timing when he is playing slower than it sounds like. However, many people enjoy notes being pulled off very fast even if it was no bearing on the music quality)

[PhantomSaiyan]

I'm of the opinion that art isn't craftsmanship, but the ability to detach oneself from the craft and produce something visually striking or conceptually challenging, because that means that it has not yet been figured out for the public to use and abuse, which includes having access to the same tools and not being able to get to the same result due to a lack of vision, so I don't feel empathy for hard work in case the artist cannot detach himself from it. AI just makes craft easier. The vision still has to be ours. The challenge is to make it appear authentic now. Just deal with it.

So you don't respect or care for actual art, got it, no need to interact with you further then

[JulieYBM]

I'm of the opinion that art isn't craftsmanship, but the ability to detach oneself from the craft and produce something visually striking or conceptually challenging, because that means that it has not yet been figured out for the public to use and abuse, which includes having access to the same tools and not being able to get to the same result due to a lack of vision, so I don't feel empathy for hard work in case the artist cannot detach himself from it. AI just makes craft easier. The vision still has to be ours. The challenge is to make it appear authentic now. Just deal with it.

(did you know that there is a tile that forms a pattern that never repeats if you keep extending it? It's a simple geometric figure that earned mathematical interest and study quite recently. It was a human being that conceived it and it's called "the Hat". It was only crafted to the point of realization that it never repeated, but its simplicity makes it appear like it's easy, in case the person doesn't know the origin of the problem)

(did you know that the song "Wire" from U2 used a synth to pull off more notes than those being strung by the guitarist? It's a simple reverb effect that makes one note sound like it's two or three. The challenge is for the guitarist to not get ahead of his own timing when he is playing slower than it sounds like. However, many people enjoying notes being pulled off very fast even if it was no bearing on the music quality)

I read this three times and still don't know what the hell you are saying.

Speaking as someone whose artform of choice is prose fiction—of which I have written quite a bit of it the last two years!—just...learn to create art in the way that works best for you. Learn new things, people! Is it hard? Yeah. Do you want to kill yourself doing it? Yeah! Is it worth it when something you create with your own skills and experience as a person leaves an effect on someone? Very!! There's nothing impressive or rewarding about using AI to generate text or an image.

Art is about us pouring all of ourselves into a piece and sharing it with other humans. It's a dialogue between you and some schmuck you might not even know. AI exists to remove the human element from imagery and text and 'entertainment'. When we as humans stop crafting art ourselves, we don't simply kill 'art', we kill the human soul.

I need y'all to stop thinking about art through a utilitarian and commercial lens. Just because Dragon Ball—and any number of other commercial artworks—exists for commercial reasons, it doesn't mean we who engage with it need to kowtow to sympathizing with commercial interests.